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    (Original post by dj1015)
    I have never been discribed as rampant before. Thanx
    the fact you have nothing useful to say proves your views are grounded solely on self interested views.
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    (Original post by dj1015)
    Says the trade unionist.
    You just said you don't take trade unions seriously ie you don't believe there should be organisations that protect workers rights and you have no respect for organisations that wield a considerable amount of power, given, not as much as they once did, in this country. Whether you agree or disagree with them it is stupid to take them lightly.

    That is just stupid naive and selfish and I am not going to bother debating with someone that is that sheltered and ignorant.
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    (Original post by redferry)
    You just said you don't take trade unions seriously ie you don't believe there should be organisations that protect workers rights and you have no respect for organisations that wield a considerable amount of power, given, not as much as they once did, in this country. Whether you agree or disagree with them it is stupid to take them lightly.

    That is just stupid naive and selfish and I am not going to bother debating with someone that is that sheltered and ignorant.
    I dont want to debate with someone who comes on to a thread 9 pages after it has started, posts imformation that has already been discredited and thinks anyone who disagrees with her is a "moron".

    Thanks, but no thanks.
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    (Original post by alex5455)
    the fact you have nothing useful to say proves your views are grounded solely on self interested views.
    You responce to making cuts to anything, has so far been.

    No and no no no. You sound like a broken record dear. I have perfect valid suggestions, while all you seem to suggest is exploiting peoples hard earned wealth.
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    (Original post by dj1015)
    I dont want to debate with someone who comes on to a thread 9 pages after it has started, posts imformation that has already been discredited and thinks anyone who disagrees with her is a "moron".
    It wasn't discredited.
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    (Original post by dj1015)
    I dont want to debate with someone who comes on to a thread 9 pages after it has started, posts imformation that has already been discredited and thinks anyone who disagrees with her is a "moron".

    Thanks, but no thanks.
    you constantly start threads based on discredited information and call everyone who disagrees with you names.
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    (Original post by alex5455)
    you constantly start threads based on discredited information and call everyone who disagrees with you names.
    Oh no, your a leftist, your a socialist. Oh no!!!!

    On this forum I have been labled as many things by bigoted left wingers like you. Yet you don't see me complaining.
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    (Original post by dj1015)
    You responce to making cuts to anything, has so far been.

    No and no no no. You sound like a broken record dear. I have perfect valid suggestions, while all you seem to suggest is exploiting peoples hard earned wealth.
    you have not suggested any cuts to me, i have only opposed cuts to benefits, these cuts are totally idealogical you are the broken record "screw the poor let them starve i dont want to pay any taxes or help people". all you seem to suggest is making our exploitative system even more exploitative for the average worker and more lucrative for the rich exploiters
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    (Original post by dj1015)
    Oh no, your a leftist, your a socialist. Oh no!!!!

    On this forum I have been labled as many things by bigoted left wingers like you. Yet you don't see me complaining.
    you are the bigot in this conversation, as is usual with rightists like you
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    (Original post by InnerTemple)
    It wasn't discredited.
    Research for unions, that fails to acknowledge this countries huge debt crisis is not credible.
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    (Original post by dj1015)
    Research for unions, that fails to acknowledge this countries huge debt crisis is not credible.
    I have already rebutted this line of argument. You failed to give a response to it.
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    (Original post by joey81)
    Tell me about it! Half the problem is that those on low incomes simply don't have the capability nor the inclination to work out if they're better off working.
    Job centre advisers are able to sit down with you and work out if you'll be better off working. You may not (depending on your situation) lose all your housing and /or council tax benefits; as these are based on need and not employment status.
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    (Original post by InnerTemple)
    I have already rebutted this line of argument. You failed to give a response to it.
    I rebutted your point by stating that you cant spend your way out of debt.

    I also stated that public sector job creation is the wrong thing to do. We need a smaller public sector, not a big one.
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    (Original post by dj1015)
    I rebutted your point by stating that you cant spend your way out of debt.

    I also stated that public sector job creation is the wrong thing to do. We need a smaller public sector, not a big one.
    No, that would have been in response to one of my posts suggesting that there are other ways of dealing with the debt.
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    (Original post by InnerTemple)
    Most people on benefits are in employment...
    Indeed, I am not fussed about that. My only requirement is that it doesn't make it more attractive for someone to be on benefits that employment. Whether that means raising the minimum wage or cutting benefits I don't know.
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    (Original post by alex5455)
    because the op is advocating the total removal of benefits?
    Oh, lol. That is never a good idea, and probably one that would be a shot in the foot for even the strongest right winger in the long-run!
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    (Original post by ForKicks)
    Benefits take food into account. Why would anyone on benefits need a food bank?
    Because their benefits get sanctioned, they sign on late, they get into debt and repay it all at once, lose their money, stolen, or even spent on drugs or christmas presents!


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    Job centre advisers are able to sit down with you and work out if you'll be better off working. You may not (depending on your situation) lose all your housing and /or council tax benefits; as these are based on need and not employment status.
    Universal Credit will smooth all the worse off in work problems over EXCEPT when on minimum wage paying full Childcare. They need to up the Childcare help through wtc again.


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    (Original post by ForKicks)
    Benefits take food into account. Why would anyone on benefits need a food bank?
    Because some have to pay their rent out of their benefits. Their benefits get stopped because they're found fit for work, they miss job seekers appointments / don't meet the criteria, therefore get sanctioned and are refused hardship, etc.
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    (Original post by dj1015)
    IDS is doing some good work at the DWP. And I dont often say a Tory is doing good work tbh.

    But its time we had a serious debate in the country about how much help we give to those in need. People need to get off their state umbilical cord and stand up on their own two feet. Labour have created a society full of people totally dependent on the state, and it makes me physically sick.

    So the first thing that needs to be done, is changing peoples attitudes towards the state, ie accepting that smaller government is better and that socialist attitudes are out of date. The next step is whole sale cuts in welfare.

    I believe that welfare should be cut across the board and private charities play a greater role in peoples lifes. This could include more food banks and greater community level care.

    Discuss....
    Yes and no.

    Yes, many people sponge off the state and get far too many benefits. Want more kids? Have a raise in your benefits, yet everyone working won't get this. You a single mum with a kid at 16? Enjoy your new flat, clothing, prams, free taxis etc.
    This is bull**** that needs to stop as those on benefits live far better than those working on minimum wage.

    But no, the country has ****ed up and failed the people. The last few decades of inept governing has not stimulated the job market, and the few jobs that have been made have been low wage crap.
    So in this sense, the govt does owe the people some help as they have failed them.
 
 
 
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