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    (Original post by dj1015)
    So what would you cut instead?

    Health? Police? Education?
    welfare is not fit for purpose and has not been fit for a look time. Benefits need to be abolished completely we cannot afford to support everyone, in an ideal world we could but lets be realistic. In response to the question I would not cut any other areas, cut benefits out then cut out foreign out and start investing in British business
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    (Original post by dj1015)
    With eye watering sums like that, its a wonder anyone bothers to work....
    Tell me about it! Half the problem is that those on low incomes simply don't have the capability nor the inclination to work out if they're better off working. A friend says they're not so they believe them, requoting it to others and the myth continues!

    My sister in law is classic example: both working part-time with 1 child. She decides they'll have more money if she quits work completely so has handed in her notice. She did this despite me PROVING to her they would have nearly £300 per month less in their pockets. Her reasoning? They won't have to pay rent or council tax so they must be better off *bangs head against wall*.

    Her partner will soon follow suit I'm sure! I have to frequently explain to my husband the calculations so he doesn't try the same thing!!!


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    (Original post by dj1015)
    How is it punishing someone to not give someone something they never had in the first place.

    What your suggesting sounds like state endorsed theft to me.
    what your suggesting sounds like leaving the poor to starve to me.
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    (Original post by dj1015)
    IDS is doing some good work at the DWP. And I dont often say a Tory is doing good work tbh.

    But its time we had a serious debate in the country about how much help we give to those in need. People need to get off their state umbilical cord and stand up on their own two feet. Labour have created a society full of people totally dependent on the state, and it makes me physically sick.

    So the first thing that needs to be done, is changing peoples attitudes towards the state, ie accepting that smaller government is better and that socialist attitudes are out of date. The next step is whole sale cuts in welfare.

    I believe that welfare should be cut across the board and private charities play a greater role in peoples lifes. This could include more food banks and greater community level care.

    Discuss....
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...l-8437872.html

    'Mr Osborne's decision to cap most benefit rises at one per cent is supported by 48 per cent and opposed by 32 per cent. But, by a margin of three to one, people think the squeeze will mainly hit the unemployed. When told it will also affect low-paid workers receiving tax credits, people oppose the move by 40 to 30 per cent. Only one in four people believe benefits should go up by less than wages or prices, while 63 per cent want to see them linked to wages, prices or both.'
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    (Original post by alex5455)
    what your suggesting sounds like leaving the poor to starve to me.
    They dont starve. We have food banks to help in that situation.

    Besides, you call these people poor. But there not really, they do very well compared to some people around the world.
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    (Original post by dj1015)
    They dont starve. We have food banks to help in that situation.

    Besides, you call these people poor. But there not really, they do very well compared to some people around the world.
    so why do they still need food banks?
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    (Original post by redferry)
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...l-8437872.html

    'Mr Osborne's decision to cap most benefit rises at one per cent is supported by 48 per cent and opposed by 32 per cent. But, by a margin of three to one, people think the squeeze will mainly hit the unemployed. When told it will also affect low-paid workers receiving tax credits, people oppose the move by 40 to 30 per cent. Only one in four people believe benefits should go up by less than wages or prices, while 63 per cent want to see them linked to wages, prices or both.'
    Someone has already post that link into this thread. And I have already read it before that anyway.

    Anyway, since the TUC has been so kind as to commision this poll. Maybe someone should poll TUC members as and quiz them as to their understanding of the deficit. Because regardless of people perceptions of welfare, the deficit is real and cutting back on peoples pocket money is the only way we will tackle this issue.
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    (Original post by alex5455)
    so why do they still need food banks?
    erm becuase their hungry maybe......

    I fail to see the connection between the hunger of one person and the privately created wealth of another....
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    (Original post by dj1015)
    Someone has already post that link into this thread. And I have already read it before that anyway.

    Anyway, since the TUC has been so kind as to commision this poll. Maybe someone should poll TUC members as and quiz them as to their understanding of the deficit. Because regardless of people perceptions of welfare, the deficit is real and cutting back on peoples pocket money is the only way we will tackle this issue.
    Or taxing the rich.

    Of course all the TUC are quite obviously stupid, those Trade Unionists just don't understand the economy!!! They probably don't even know what a deficit is!!!
    Silly uneducated trade unionists with their backgrounds in economics, politics and law amongst other things.
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    We should cut it to the extent that it is a disincentive for everyone to choose benefits over employment.
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    (Original post by dj1015)
    erm becuase their hungry maybe......

    I fail to see the connection between the hunger of one person and the privately created wealth of another....
    so you are happy to leave people to starve if they cant access a food bank, its because of people like you we need welfare, to protect the poor from rampant right wingers like you.
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    (Original post by dj1015)
    cutting back on peoples pocket money is the only way we will tackle this issue.
    No. No it isn't. It really isn't.
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    (Original post by alex5455)
    so why do they still need food banks?
    Benefits take food into account. Why would anyone on benefits need a food bank?
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    (Original post by redferry)
    Or taxing the rich.

    Of course all the TUC are quite obviously stupid, those Trade Unionists just don't understand the economy!!! They probably don't even know what a deficit is!!!
    Silly uneducated trade unionists with their backgrounds in economics, politics and law amongst other things.
    LOL. They might be educate, but their actions would tell people otherwise.

    You see their last protest they did in London? Their signs stated amoung other silly things, "no cuts".

    It's at the point that I stop taking them seriously.
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    (Original post by ForKicks)
    We should cut it to the extent that it is a disincentive for everyone to choose benefits over employment.
    Most people on benefits are in employment...
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    (Original post by redferry)
    Or taxing the rich.

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    we already over tax wealth in ths country, we dont need anymore thank you.
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    (Original post by dj1015)
    LOL. They might be educate, but their actions would tell people otherwise.

    You see their last protest they did in London? Their signs stated amoung other silly things, "no cuts".

    It's at the point that I stop taking them seriously.
    You are truly a moron.
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    (Original post by alex5455)
    so you are happy to leave people to starve if they cant access a food bank, its because of people like you we need welfare, to protect the poor from rampant right wingers like you.
    I have never been discribed as rampant before. Thanx
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    (Original post by ForKicks)
    Benefits take food into account. Why would anyone on benefits need a food bank?
    because the op is advocating the total removal of benefits?
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    (Original post by redferry)
    You are truly a moron.
    Says the trade unionist.
 
 
 
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