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"There is no real poverty in Britain", says senior Tory councillor Watch

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    (Original post by HistoryNerd)
    i have no political views as i believe all political groups are run by liars who have no interest in peoples welfare just their own.
    What a depressing, cynical and thoroughly awful view you have of humanity. I think you need to get out more.

    And as it has been said a billion times if they wanted to balance the budget considerably they could cut down expenses given, and bonuses and make sure all rich people pay tax no that would be too much hard work
    No, I'm afraid that's just utter rubbish. Politicians' expenses amount to a minuscule sum and we have a huge budget deficit. Politicians already get paid relatively poorly for the work they do.

    And tax rises will not fix it. You see, if you raise taxes, the economy tends to suffer, particularly in a time where we are desperate for economic growth.

    So perhaps you should stop calling people liars and start accepting that their solutions to problems might just be an iota less simplistic than yours. Their solutions also have a change of doing something good for society, while your suggestions would more or less **** us all.
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    Poverty is relative.
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    (Original post by HistoryNerd)
    I classify 'Real' poverty as people who are struggling long term in terms of food, housing, heating, clothing, all the essentials needed to live and you seem to be oblivious to the idea that this happens LONG TERM to many in Britain. I am in no way anti-Tory i have no political views as i believe all political groups are run by liars who have no interest in peoples welfare just their own. And as it has been said a billion times if they wanted to balance the budget considerably they could cut down expenses given, and bonuses and make sure all rich people pay tax no that would be too much hard work so instead they target the benefits. So roll your eyes all you want but that is clear and easy for anyone to see. :sigh::shifty:
    I am in no way oblivious to the fact that British people are struggling, but when British people struggle at least they live in a stable and safe country and have food on their plate and a roof over their head, and if they don't we have a safety net in the form of shelters and foodbanks and government welfare. And you can't just make up your own meanings for words to suit your argument, there is already a widely accepted classification for what 'real' poverty is.
    A word of advice, it's better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. You should probably try and base your political views on more than just what you hear from UK Uncut. The government is already working on closing tax loopholes and cutting waste, but those measures alone will not balance the budget anytime this decade.
    I also fail to see how you can claim to not have an anti-Tory bias with a straight face when you basically implied that it's their intention for only rich people to be able to afford healthcare and higher education. That's the sort of rhetoric I'd expect to hear at the annual TUC conference.
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    It's interesting that a lot of right wingers and Tories will insist there is no absolute poverty in Britain, only relative to the rest of Britain.

    Until that is you mention the ring-fencing of foreign aid, which will bring about the reaction of "what about our own poor, there's homelessness in Britain, charity begins at home!!"
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    (Original post by MagicNMedicine)
    It's interesting that a lot of right wingers and Tories will insist there is no absolute poverty in Britain, only relative to the rest of Britain.

    Until that is you mention the ring-fencing of foreign aid, which will bring about the reaction of "what about our own poor, there's homelessness in Britain, charity begins at home!!"
    Tories aren't actually all diabolical scum who feed on the tears of poor people. I'd want to help the less well off in British society even if it was catagorically proven that there was absolutely no poverty in the UK, for the simple fact that they are less well off, even if that's relative.
    Many of us also simply don't see why foreign aid should be increased and then ring-fenced at a time of stringent budget cuts.
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    How would he know? What evidence does he have to support this statement? if he has no evidence then surely we can all just make whatever outrageous statements we please.

    In reality how is his statement any different from me suggesting that this man got to be so plump by eating puppies and kittens? Neither statement has evidence to support it.

    It would appear that he has had plenty of food available to him over the course of his life.
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    (Original post by joey81)
    It's a lovely idea but one that is nowhere near a reality and I doubt it ever will be. There will always be those who are more capable at complicated tasks than others but yes, perhaps that shouldn't matter if the work is proportionate to their abilities. However there will be jobs where greater RISK is involved, if you don't pay people more for those jobs no one will take the risk for no reward.

    You will always get people who want more than everyone else. Those who want to have the same but with less effort. Those who are incapable of working. Those who want to take what others have... The list goes on. Until the day we all think alike we will never be alike and never capable of working together completely as a team. Just look at marriages, how many couples agree and never break the rules all the time?! Little things like a husband says no to spending over £200 on a Hoover and the wife decides £250 because its got gadgets... Basically the whole Star Trek idea is nowhere near happening and never will be on a global or even national scale.

    It can work locally, look at the communities that are built up around the idea.


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    I actually don't think that our views differ that greatly.

    You're absolutely right, there are people who work harder/in more risky jobs, whatever, but I believe our society has got its taxonomy wrong somewhat. Yes, people who work harder should earn more. That is a necessary function of society. But they shouldn't earn that much more so that others are starving. For example, in very simple terms, there are people who earn £1,000,000 per year and has work hard for it. Further, there are people who earn £1,000, and don't work particularly hard at all. However, this person isn't deserving of cold, hungry nights on the street either. So the government should tax the millionaire and invest in infrastructure that will benefit the poorer person. (These numbers are fully hypothetical, by the way).

    Now, I'm fully aware that this is exactly what modern, neo-liberal governments tend to do. What I'm saying is that the balance is wrong. More money should be invested in those who can't cope with life by themselves. I believe that every human being is deserving of a chance in life. And at the moment they don't have that chance. So, using my earlier example, whilst the millionaire now might be taxed £200,000 per year, I think they should be taxed £300,000, or whatever the numbers may be.

    I'm anticipating responses regarding trickle down economics (which don't work, as history has shown) but whatever, these are my views. I'm not advocating full-blown socialism and equality of outcome, but I do think that society can and should be fairer.
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    Having heating isn't essential and there is no need to pick between heating and food. If you are cold put a coat or jumper on.
 
 
 
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