Universities should recruit on a students merit irrespective of his background. If white working class boys are struggling to get into Uni then tough, the same goes for ethnic minorities and other demographics.
Universities should recruit on a students merit irrespective of his background. If white working class boys are struggling to get into Uni then tough, the same goes for ethnic minorities and other demographics.
Exactly. Why not treat everyone the same? For example, if a university is choosing someone to be my doctor, I'd want them to choose the best doctor, don't care if he's black or blue!
With regards to feminists... don't think there will be too much of a reaction.
Universities should recruit on a students merit irrespective of his background. If white working class boys are struggling to get into Uni then tough, the same goes for ethnic minorities and other demographics.
surely the school they went to should also be taken into account?
So the Tories who systematically closed down some major employers of white working class men in the 1980s (steel works, coal mines, shipbuilders) have finally realised the impact?
It's almost like if you target one group with positive discrimination another group suffers negative discrimination. But don't worry the minister clearly has a way to combat this, more discrimination!!!
Yes they do. And The Islander is saying that is a bad thing, which I am arguing against.
Well to be fair, there are many schools which are at a major disadvantage compared to other schools which have better facilities, better funding, teachers who genuinely care, better resources,etc. There will never be proper equality, where students can be all given equal education considering that its parents right to get them better things so they achieve better. Hence why these other factors are also taken into consideration, all its showing is that these disadvantaged student have achieved so much with a lot less then there counterparts. Thats quite fair, imagine if they got had the same resources, etc universities are simply taking into account that with they have they can actually achieve their potential.
Well to be fair, there are many schools which are at a major disadvantage compared to other schools which have better facilities, better funding, teachers who genuinely care, better resources,etc. There will never be proper equality, where students can be all given equal education considering that its parents right to get them better things so they achieve better. Hence why these other factors are also taken into consideration, all its showing is that these disadvantaged student have achieved so much with a lot less then there counterparts. Thats quite fair, imagine if they got had the same resources, etc universities are simply taking into account that with they have they can actually achieve their potential.
You're preaching to the choir I already agree with you. I don't really understand why The Islander is against it. It's clear true equality is not possible at all under the current education system.
It's totally irrelevant what class you're from or what colour you are. You either deserve a place at Uni or you don't. You can't just give somebody preference because they're working class and white, that's unfair on everybody else who applies.
well, at least try to justify your view. it's ridiculous.
it isn't, kids don't have a say what background they are born into and telling kids who go to the better state or private schools that their grades are worth "less" than someone else's based on nothing more than their parents socio-economic status is wrong. Universities are not here to fix our countries education system and trying to use them in that manner is nothing short of a cop out to avoid dealing with the actual problem.
I mean if you want to start labeling grades from the same course differently based on who gets them surely we also have to start discriminating against naturally smart people? A kid with an IQ of 165 will obviously have a huge advantage over say a kid with an IQ of 100 at school and the kid with an IQ of 100 will have to work a lot harder to get the same grades so surely that should be taken into account?
it isn't, kids don't have a say what background they are born into and telling kids who go to the better state or private schools that their grades are worth "less" than someone else's based on nothing more than their parents socio-economic status is wrong. Universities are not here to fix our countries education system and trying to use them in that manner is nothing short of a cop out to avoid dealing with the actual problem.
I mean if you want to start labeling grades from the same course differently based on who gets them surely we also have to start discriminating against naturally smart people? A kid with an IQ of 165 will obviously have a huge advantage over say a kid with an IQ of 100 at school and the kid with an IQ of 100 will have to work a lot harder to get the same grades so surely that should be taken into account?
I agree, they aren't here to fix our education system. But then again, looking at a candidates background is an option. I don't think it's unfair to say that a student who went to a terrible school but received good grades should be given credit for it.
Your point about IQ is ridiculous. I made a moderate point, that a students school should be considered in their application, and you are suddenly accusing me of wanting some kind of state which evaluates students every predetermined attribute. It's a complete strawman.