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  • View Poll Results: The most overrated Medical School
    Imperial
    31.82%
    Oxford
    36.36%
    King's College (Guy's and St Thomas')
    40.91%
    UCL
    9.09%
    Bristol
    18.18%
    Leeds
    4.55%
    Birmingham
    9.09%
    Sheffield
    4.55%
    Barts and the London
    9.09%
    Newcastle
    4.55%

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    Manchester.
    It's a silly place to study. Pfft!

    Or maybe I just dislike it because I'm still bitter about being rejected from there last month
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    (Original post by Monarose)
    Manchester.
    It's a silly place to study. Pfft!

    Or maybe I just dislike it because I'm still bitter about being rejected from there last month
    It's definitely not overrated, most people are pretty negative about it.
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    (Original post by Hippokrates)
    It's definitely not overrated, most people are pretty negative about it.
    I was making a reference to the fact that it's a silly place BECAUSE I got rejected. Learn to take a joke, mate.
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    (Original post by Jamie)
    Some people work harder, others not so much.
    Lets face it, TSR users at oxbridge will tend to be on the geekier end of the spectrum so more likely to be putting in a few extra hours.
    ...
    I don't rightly care what a radiologist told you. Of all the specialists to judge on empathy and communication skills I think radiologists are sitting aside histopathologists.
    ...
    :eek: But at least none of us are awkward-Oxbridge-Radiologists.

    (I do think the choice of speciality is probably more predictive for personality attributes than medical school there!)
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    (Original post by Richyp22)
    Oxbridge, You get worked like a dog for six years and at the end of the day you get the same medicine degree that holds the same career prospects unlike any other degree. At oxbridge im hearing horror stories of having to work 6/7 hours a night on top of your university teaching to stay on top of the work.

    Seriously, who wants a life like this just for "prestige" which is irrelevent in a medicine career?

    Along with this they have no clinal contact for the first three years leading to the production a socially and clinically awkward students who lack empathy and communication skills. This was told to me my a radiologist who graduated from cambridge.
    Well those stories about insane work hours are not true. You might have to put in 10-11h a day for 4 days a week at its worst, but you kind of get some of it back in a way since there's so little overhead - food is cooked for you, rooms are cleaned by scouts and everything is at most a 5 minute walk away.

    Anyway, I think you'll find that in general demand for good education far outstrips supply and it would be unwise to turn down an opportunity just because it's occasionally hard work. Based on these numbers (http://careers.bmj.com/careers/advic...ml?id=20010303) it's quite easy to end up in a dead end medical job - you want to make sure you have every possible advantage.
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    (Original post by Richyp22)
    And I am not a troll, I am a applicant to this years cycle. And you have no clue! what world do you live in where you think oxbridge medics only work an extra 10 hour a week ontop of 32 hours + teaching. There [sic] working 6/7 hours plus.
    Surely you are not serious? You are an expert on this subject capable of dismissing rigorous evidence and telling me what my own course is like because... you read a couple of posts on TSR? Where are you even getting this 32 hours teaching figure from? Did you make it up by any chance? :rolleyes:

    supported by any evidence where as mine can.
    How about the evidence i provided in the post you quoted? Didn't bother to read it i take it - can't say i'm surprised. I'd love to see your evidence. LOVE to. Please post it.
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    (Original post by Hippokrates)
    How about talking about the most underrated medical schools, I think Manchester gets a lot of bad press but it's a great uni and city to be at and did you see how good a doctor Lucy was on Junior doctors. :P Obviously it doesn't matter where you in terms of getting an FY1 placement but to each individual some medical schools will be better than others, if you want to be a surgeon for example you're better off going to somewhere like KCL that put a lot of emphasis on anatomy/ dissection over Lancaster/ Liverpool that doesn't do and wet dissection. But on the other hand the PBL unis put a bigger emphasis on the doctor patient relationship so you'l probably end up feeling more comfortable when you do become a doctor. Basically it only matters to you where you go.
    I agree with your topic suggestion!

    St.Georges is massively underated, when I visited it seemed like a very inspirational place to study medicine. The med school is literally in a major hospital! When we came out of the lecture theatres, or went to get food, you could catch surgeons in their scrubs and caps, anaesthetists in their gowns, porters taking up all the space in the elevator as they tetris-position a bed with a patient in it Id find it would really motivate me and excite me if I went to St.G's.
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    (Original post by AnonymousPenguin)
    Well those stories about insane work hours are not true. You might have to put in 10-11h a day for 4 days a week at its worst, but you kind of get some of it back in a way since there's so little overhead - food is cooked for you, rooms are cleaned by scouts and everything is at most a 5 minute walk away.

    Anyway, I think you'll find that in general demand for good education far outstrips supply and it would be unwise to turn down an opportunity just because it's occasionally hard work. Based on these numbers (http://careers.bmj.com/careers/advic...ml?id=20010303) it's quite easy to end up in a dead end medical job - you want to make sure you have every possible advantage.
    Whats your point though? So a oxbridge education is advantagous compared to other medical degrees for a career in medicine?I think not.

    (Original post by nexttime)
    Surely you are not serious? You are an expert on this subject capable of dismissing rigorous evidence and telling me what my own course is like because... you read a couple of posts on TSR? Where are you even getting this 32 hours teaching figure from? Did you make it up by any chance? :rolleyes:



    How about the evidence i provided in the post you quoted? Didn't bother to read it i take it - can't say i'm surprised. I'd love to see your evidence. LOVE to. Please post it.
    Yh I thought you were an oxbridge medic, no suprize your so defensive. Im getting the 32 hours from the fact im geussing you do 9-5 hours at university + an afternoon off which is what most med schools do. And its a fact, i didnt here this in TSR, I also have spoken to an oxbridge medic. At oxbridge your having to do 3/4 essays a week on topics which take in excess of 5/6 hours to do each. Furthur too that you have to revise your content. This clearly points to having to do 5/6 extra work a night confirmed by numerous sources. At other medicals schools you do not have near this workload.

    Which is not a problem. But one of the reasons ppl go to oxbridge and take on this extra workload is the fake perception that it will help you more than say going to keele for a medical degree. Which is false. Hence its overrated.
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    (Original post by Richyp22)
    Whats your point though? So a oxbridge education is advantagous compared to other medical degrees for a career in medicine?I think not.
    There's no way to quantify it, but these are my feelings on the issue. I've found the vast majority of the components of the Oxford course to be useful (especially the essays) in the development of general skills. I wouldn't cut parts of the course to have an easier workload (except perhaps a bit of histology, but it's hardly examined). I don't know how much my future career will be determined by these skills, but I definitely feel more prepared for future competition. I simply wouldn't be prepared to give up say 20% of the workload, knowing I would never get that teaching. Will the extra work have helped at some point? I don't know, but it was definitely useful.
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    Overrated- Oxbridge, UCL, Imperial. (due to the fact i wouldnt say there better than places like manchester, penninsula, southampton, liverpool etc)

    Underrated- Penninsula (plymouth+exeter) and keele.
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    (Original post by Richyp22)
    Yh I thought you were an oxbridge medic, no suprize your [sic] so defensive.
    You acknowledge this, and yet spend a third post telling me what the course, a course that i have spent the last 5 years studying, is like :facepalm:

    I'm not defensive. I'm just correcting your blatantly incorrect statements before some poor applicant reads your misinformation and is put off.

    Im getting the 32 hours from the fact im geussing you do 9-5 hours at university + an afternoon off which is what most med schools do.
    So the figure was pulled out of your arse as i predicted. I think very few med schools are as strict as that. Please can you research your topics before just spouting bull**** all over the internet.

    At Oxford, its closer to 20 hours for the first 2 years. Closer to 5-10 for third year. I assume we aren't talking about clinical here - that would be a lot more variable (though nowhere near the 75 hours you are proposing :laugh: )

    And its a fact, i didnt here this in TSR, I also have spoken to an oxbridge medic. At oxbridge
    Oxbridge oxbridge oxbridge... they are not one uni. Very different course structures.

    your [sic] having to do 3/4 essays a week
    closer to 2/3, if that.

    on topics which take in excess of 5/6 hours to do each.
    If you are being really rigorous, easily posible to do less. The topics rarely deviate from those covered in lectures.

    Furthur too [sic] that you have to revise your content.
    You don't 'have to' do anything. Some people choose to.

    This clearly points to having to do 5/6 extra work a night confirmed by numerous sources.
    BS. You have no citable source. Just one anecdote from a medic at the non-existent 'Oxbridge' university.

    On average, the workload is 42 hours per week.

    At other medicals schools you do not have near this workload.
    They are very similar. Again, as shown by the actual evidence.

    Please don't post again, this is tedious.
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    (Original post by nexttime)
    You acknowledge this, and yet spend a third post telling me what the course, a course that i have spent the last 5 years studying, is like :facepalm:

    I'm not defensive. I'm just correcting your blatantly incorrect statements before some poor applicant reads your misinformation and is put off.



    So the figure was pulled out of your arse as i predicted. I think very few med schools are as strict as that. Please can you research your topics before just spouting bull**** all over the internet.

    At Oxford, its closer to 20 hours for the first 2 years. Closer to 5-10 for third year. I assume we aren't talking about clinical here - that would be a lot more variable (though nowhere near the 75 hours you are proposing :laugh: )



    Oxbridge oxbridge oxbridge... they are not one uni. Very different course structures.



    closer to 2/3, if that.



    If you are being really rigorous, easily posible to do less. The topics rarely deviate from those covered in lectures.



    You don't 'have to' do anything. Some people choose to.



    BS. You have no citable source. Just one anecdote from a medic at the non-existent 'Oxbridge' university.

    On average, the workload is 42 hours per week.



    They are very similar. Again, as shown by the actual evidence.

    Please don't post again, this is tedious.
    I'm procrastinating from writing up my FHS project so I actually had a quick look at my 2nd year timetable.

    My workload was about:
    10h of lectures
    4-5h of practicals
    3-4h tutorials
    --19h of teaching

    usually 3 essays a week, I spent about 8h on each and I really skimmed the weblearn quizzes.
    --adds up to 44h

    I was in the 4th decile (barely) so I am assuming many are more efficient, cleverer or harder working.

    Exams are only once a year (some unis have them twice) so that helps a lot.
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    (Original post by AnonymousPenguin)
    I'm procrastinating from writing up my FHS project so I actually had a quick look at my 2nd year timetable.

    My workload was about:
    10h of lectures
    4-5h of practicals
    3-4h tutorials
    --19h of teaching

    usually 3 essays a week, I spent about 8h on each and I really skimmed the weblearn quizzes.
    --adds up to 44h

    I was in the 4th decile (barely) so I am assuming many are more efficient, cleverer or harder working.

    Exams are only once a year (some unis have them twice) so that helps a lot.
    Which would probably put you in about the 4th decile for time worked according to that survey, so that works out nicely!

    Ah to be back to once yearly exams. That would be nice.
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    (Original post by nexttime)
    Which would probably put you in about the 4th decile for time worked according to that survey, so that works out nicely!

    Ah to be back to once yearly exams. That would be nice.
    Tbf, I'd quite like to go back to exams which don't cost hundreds of pounds plus more £££ for revision courses, regardless of how often they come up!
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    (Original post by Helenia)
    Tbf, I'd quite like to go back to exams which don't cost hundreds of pounds plus more £££ for revision courses, regardless of how often they come up!
    I'd like to have £££ to start with

    Or would I? Financial responsibility sounds too much like hard work
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    (Original post by singh12)
    I may have agreed with you if you had told me this 10 years ago but the situation now is different. Would you consider medical schools such as Cambridge and UCL of a same standard as St Andrews and Keele (no disrespect).
    What's wrong with St. Andrews?


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    [QUOTE=Shengis14;40850241]What's wrong with St. Andrews?

    Nothing specifically wrong with any medical school. The question is whether they provide same standard of edcation.
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      (Original post by Richyp22)
      Whats your point though? So a oxbridge education is advantagous compared to other medical degrees for a career in medicine?I think not.



      Yh I thought you were an oxbridge medic, no suprize your so defensive. Im getting the 32 hours from the fact im geussing you do 9-5 hours at university + an afternoon off which is what most med schools do. And its a fact, i didnt here this in TSR, I also have spoken to an oxbridge medic. At oxbridge your having to do 3/4 essays a week on topics which take in excess of 5/6 hours to do each. Furthur too that you have to revise your content. This clearly points to having to do 5/6 extra work a night confirmed by numerous sources. At other medicals schools you do not have near this workload.

      Which is not a problem. But one of the reasons ppl go to oxbridge and take on this extra workload is the fake perception that it will help you more than say going to keele for a medical degree. Which is false. Hence its overrated.
      So every oxbridge person on here is saying the hours you quote are not true, but are all wrong.

      You don't acknowledge that oxford and cambridge are two different medical schools

      You have such bad spelling as to make me cringe. [I seriously hope you spell-checked your personal statement]

      AnonymousPenguin - in my 3rd year (BSc equivalent) I had one 1 hour lecture per day at 5pm. T'was a great doss.
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      (Original post by Jamie)
      So every oxbridge person on here is saying the hours you quote are not true, but are all wrong.

      You don't acknowledge that oxford and cambridge are two different medical schools

      You have such bad spelling as to make me cringe. [I seriously hope you spell-checked your personal statement]

      AnonymousPenguin - in my 3rd year (BSc equivalent) I had one 1 hour lecture per day at 5pm. T'was a great doss.
      Okok Im leaving this arguement here, If these medics claim they work the hours they work Im happy to let them believe that.

      Also the fact that half of you get kicked out and shafted off to london schools is laughable. So in the end you dont get the oxbridge degree you worked so streniously hard for. LOL. Overrated.

      And no I didnt use a spell checker for my PS(Didnt need to), and I think it turned out fine since I now have an interview at a PS university. You arrogant P****.
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      (Original post by Jamie)
      in my 3rd year (BSc equivalent) I had one 1 hour lecture per day at 5pm. T'was a great doss.
      I had slightly more, but we only had to do 4 of the 8 modules, so i literally didn't turn up half the year 3rd year was ridiculous.
     
     
     
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