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    (Original post by Theoneoranro)
    Why are you listening to TSR nerds? People on here haven't been out in the real world, they think if you don't get 7 A*'s for gcses and everything you've got no chance in life, they genuinely do, they're just a bunch of kids who haven't been out there stop taking them seriously.
    You've got a point, for instance my GCSEs were terrible (even though I got the best in my school) compared to what people think is acceptable on here but I still got offers.

    I respect and like TSRs members very much though. Tsr is cool.
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    (Original post by Qui pod)
    I can't link you to a specific thread at the moment. You both know as well as I that there are a plethora of threads which support what I'm saying. There are constant arguments between people and Oxbridge always comes out on top. Law firms only recruit Oxbridge. Finance recruit only Oxbridge. Etc
    I've heard things such as Magic Circle law firms only recruit from a select few universities such as Oxford, Cambridge, UCL, Durham and KCL, or people asking how hard it is to get into the bar, and people saying how Oxbridge dominated it is, yes. Most of these are from uniformed pre-university students, or undergraduates being a little too simplistic.

    I've rarely, or never, heard "only Oxford and Cambridge are worth going to". If I have then it is quickly jumped on and refuted.

    I think you misunderstand.

    Oxford and Cambridge are great universities but they are just two of our leading universities. To think that they produce even a significant minority of all people in graduate employers, and leading academics, is absurd.
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    I very rarely see the whole "oxbrdge si the only one worth going to" on here (and never irl). Mainly becajse it's such a stupid thing to say.
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    A multitude of reasons...

    1) Many universities have specialisms which put them on a par (or near enough in certain subjects)

    2) Higher education is free at the point of use and as such there is a minimal opportunity cost to university

    3) A high number of graduate vacancies mean that more universities are required to provide relevant qualifications (unless Oxbridge expands to such a point that it can fill them all)

    4) The persuit of knowledge is not always based around finding a job at the end of it (some people really are just interested in learning about something), this is amplified by being free at the point of use

    5) Social factors mean that if you are intelligent and brought up in a middle class background it is the fashionable thing to do

    6) Prestige, unless you are on TSR or at a leading firm in your field then a degree in Law or Economics from anywhere is considered prestigious (at least to the common man anyway)
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    Assuming not trolling... you sound like you've got a bad dose of perfectionism which can really hold you back at uni.

    TBH you might be so fed up of unis after 3 years you couldn't face doing postgrad
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    (Original post by Qui pod)
    I can't link you to a specific thread at the moment. You both know as well as I that there are a plethora of threads which support what I'm saying. There are constant arguments between people and Oxbridge always comes out on top. Law firms only recruit Oxbridge. Finance recruit only Oxbridge. Etc
    I'd say it's a common viewpoint that Oxbridge are the best universities in the UK (which they obviously are), but I certainly don't think people think that they are the only universities worth going to.
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    (Original post by River85)
    I've heard things such as Magic Circle law firms only recruit from a select few universities such as Oxford, Cambridge, UCL, Durham and KCL, or people asking how hard it is to get into the bar, and people saying how Oxbridge dominated it is, yes. Most of these are from uniformed pre-university students, or undergraduates being a little too simplistic.

    I've rarely, or never, heard "only Oxford and Cambridge are worth going to". If I have then it is quickly jumped on and refuted.

    I think you misunderstand.

    Oxford and Cambridge are great universities but they are just two of our leading universities. To think that they produce even a significant minority of all people in graduate employers, and leading academics, is absurd.
    You're right, it's just that I was getting the impression I'd failed before I had already begun.

    My mum believes that I shouldn't bother with all of this, but I just want to prove her wrong. Plus I know we will struggle financially whilst I'm there so the benefits need to be apparent to my family and myself.

    I'm worrying too much.
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    (Original post by Joinedup)
    Assuming not trolling... you sound like you've got a bad dose of perfectionism which can really hold you back at uni.

    TBH you might be so fed up of unis after 3 years you couldn't face doing postgrad
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    (Original post by Qui pod)
    I'm a frequent stalker of TSR. But, one thing I always see is that everyone says Oxbridge is the only university worth going to and if someone goes elsewhere they will struggle when they leave uni.

    I'm currently holding offers for Biology from top 20 universities (four of which are Russell group and two are top ten), but I don't think I want to go anymore. Why should I pay to attend a bad university? (According to TSR). I'm not smart enough to apply for Oxbridge, I'm even surprised with the offers I have and my AS grades.

    I'm from a very poor background and I'll be the first to go to uni, but I would rather not waste my time and money if I get no benefits from getting a degree from these places. I'm one of the few in my college applying to such places, and I thought it was an achievement but now I know otherwise.

    I don't know what to do and I can't focus on my revision...

    (Original post by bethgent12)
    I agree, although I understand your concerns regarding competing with Oxbridge graduates once you've finished your degree at another University. I am prone to University snobbery myself, occasionally looking down at those who do Photography or other seemingly pointless degrees at less prominent Universities, but as I am currently attending to a Russell Group University (NOT Oxbridge) I just have to try and have confidence that I can succeed even if I don't have Oxford or Cambridge on my CV, and you will have to do the same.

    I do however think your 'what is the point' attitude is a bit disconcerting; if you really did want to research your chosen topic you would do it anyway, and hopefully your passion in that would help you advance in your career in the same way as putting an Oxbridge qualification on your CV.

    ....or am I just being too optimistic?:rolleyes:
    I think the OP has a point in which you have helped to illustrate.

    Why not name the place you actually are studying?
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    Indeed, why bother going? Why not stand aside and allow someone to take your place who can appreciate attending a top global institution like those you have mentioned?
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    (Original post by River85)
    Where you attend as an undergraduate has no real bearing on your chances of postgraduate study. What is important is your academic records and interests, among other things, but certainly not your university reputation. People go from former polytechnics to Oxford and Cambridge for postgrad for goodness sake. Those universities you've listed are still among our leading universities.

    You are largely responsible for getting a job, not your university. Consider that there are only a few hundred Oxford and Cambridge graduates every year, yet many, many thousands of graduate vacancies.

    Competition is tough, very touch indeed, but attending those Russell or 1994 Group universities instead of Oxford or Cambridge really won't make the difference you seem to think it will.
    Have to disagree with you on this, at least from what I've read on TSR from Shamika re Pure maths PhD at Imperial, the pool of candidates is from only a handful of top universities, COWI and maybe one or two others.
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    (Original post by Qui pod)
    I'm a frequent stalker of TSR. But, one thing I always see is that everyone says Oxbridge is the only university worth going to and if someone goes elsewhere they will struggle when they leave uni.

    I'm currently holding offers for Biology from top 20 universities (four of which are Russell group and two are top ten), but I don't think I want to go anymore. Why should I pay to attend a bad university? (According to TSR). I'm not smart enough to apply for Oxbridge, I'm even surprised with the offers I have and my AS grades.

    I'm from a very poor background and I'll be the first to go to uni, but I would rather not waste my time and money if I get no benefits from getting a degree from these places. I'm one of the few in my college applying to such places, and I thought it was an achievement but now I know otherwise.

    I don't know what to do and I can't focus on my revision...
    I thought the maximum number of places you could apply to was five? Am I being daft here? Or is it that you're just THAT good that unis are applying to have you?
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    (Original post by ChemistBoy)
    Indeed, why bother going? Why not stand aside and allow someone to take your place who can appreciate attending a top global institution like those you have mentioned?
    I apologise for coming across as ungrateful, but as I mentioned in a previous post, university is a really big decision...not only for myself but my family.

    I can't help worrying, it's my future on the line.
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    (Original post by smudge09)
    I thought the maximum number of places you could apply to was five? Am I being daft here? Or is it that you're just THAT good that unis are applying to have you?
    Two of which*.

    Happy?
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    May I also add that there are many universities that are at least as good if not better in certain subjects than Oxbridge. If you were to turn down an excellent course (which let's face it, is the most important thing) at a good university then that would be very stupid.
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    What about the rest of the world, where even the best university is far worse than a mediocre university in England. China's best ranked university is ranked around ~ 70 in the world. So by your logic, none of the 1.3 billion people who live there aspire to go to university? Apart from those that choose to study abroad.
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    If Oxbridge accepted everyone who's remotely bright, it would devalue going to Oxbridge, so there have to be other universities to cater for the demand. Besides, Oxbridge isn't the best place to go for every subject.
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    (Original post by Namige)
    What about the rest of the world, where even the best university is far worse than a mediocre university in England. China's best ranked university is ranked around ~ 70 in the world. So by your logic, none of the 1.3 billion people who live there aspire to go to university? Apart from those that choose to study abroad.
    Hong Kong is in China, and the University of Hong Kong is always in the top 15 in the global rankings
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    (Original post by Qui pod)
    I apologise for coming across as ungrateful, but as I mentioned in a previous post, university is a really big decision...not only for myself but my family.

    I can't help worrying, it's my future on the line.
    You think you will be better off not going? Look around you, life doesn't get better the less education you have in a recession.
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    (Original post by Kutta)
    Hong Kong is in China, and the University of Hong Kong is always in the top 15 in the global rankings
    Nothing to do with being founded by Brits in a place that was a British colony until 1997, the vast majority of the university's life.
 
 
 
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