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    (Original post by alexs2602)
    Another Q, is there really anything inherently wrong with just wanting sex from someone? Though that said I'd probably want to be at least friends with the girl first. What I'm saying is I don't think sex is conditional on a relationship. I hope I'm making sense there.
    Yes you are making sense and you're right. It's not wrong to just want sex from someone. Most girls wouldn't find that appealing though so would try to avoid.
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    (Original post by Dragonfly07)
    Yes you are making sense and you're right. It's not wrong to just want sex from someone. Most girls wouldn't find that appealing though so would try to avoid.
    So in other words find someone where the feeling is mutual? I know a girl who is worse than many men in that sense. She's a nympho.

    FYI, it was more of a hypothetical than something I would necessarily want.
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    (Original post by Michaelj)
    You mean like women who portray themselves in short skirts, revealing tops and tons of make up? And they wonder why people are mean to them? I'm sorry, but I see no problem here, the problem lies with individuals.

    I am commenting on gender stereotypes, as mentioned before, individuals do not account for all females. And how does this even relate?

    Women earn less than men? B/S! Show me a source! In my job I've just started, women who I work with earn more than me (because of more qualifications and experience and such) and women I started with earn the same. In fact, it's illegal to discriminate people. If women want to earn as much as men then they should have the qualifications, they shouldn't be given it on a plate because of their gender. (which funny enough happens anyway, banging your boss and boom promotion isn't exactly an urban myth).

    Ok, fair enough. You get mocked. But is it friendly banter or general bullying? Because men get the same treatment as well. In regards to jobs, think of jobs that men generally don't do (say mid-wife nursing or working in a tanning shop) and imagine the stick they'd get for that.

    Your lives aren't exactly "bad", are they? Like I explained earlier it's illegal to discriminate and pay less because of gender, race, etc. You also see women in high jobs such as government and stuff. Men WILL insult women who portray themselves in an odd way, same as men or women will insult men who portray themselves in a odd way. This has nothing to do with equal rights.
    http://www.poverty.org.uk/56/index.shtml#g2
    First link that came up under "female male earning stats uk".

    I'm not disputing the law and I'm not saying females are eligible to more than men because of their gender.

    Well you said men get stick and that's exactly what I'm talking about. I'm not saying it's exclusive to females, some jobs are socialised by gender.

    The point I was trying to make was that subjects are socialised by gender, and if you want stats, the boy to girl ratio for physics in my school is 16:1 and for English is 5:16. It's not going to be like that everywhere but it's an example.

    But are you referring to odd in terms of what is socialised to be normal for each gender?

    (And please refrain from judging how 'bad' my life may be. It's irrelevant to the topic. Change doesn't have to happen because things are bad.)

    (Original post by Gwalchgwyn)
    HAHAHAHAHAHHA WHAT?

    Women earn exactly the same as men. Some earn less because they don't have the confidence to demand more. Men do it all the time. Its not only that, women CHOOSE lesser paying jobs. Its not our fault if you choose to be a nurse or a social worker rather than an engineer or architect. Tradesmen can charge up to £100 an hour just for call outs - tell me how many female plumbers have you ever seen? How many builders? Oh no but theres plenty of minimum wage cleaners about.

    I think I've come across in the complete wrong way.
    I'm saying that the jobs women are socialised to do are not as high earning, I know legally they are paid the same for the same thing. It would be unfair to blame women completely. And even if confidence is an issue, personally I feel that is due to socialisation.
    And if you think that there is no such socialisation then that would make sense because it's different for different people, right?



    Dear lord i hope you are a troll. Why don't men get a childcare allowance? He's forced to pay for his child is hes separated from the mother. Its bull****. If women have every right to abort a child and motherhood without the fathers consent, then why the hell shouldn't men be allowed to abort fatherhood?
    I'm not disputing that men should get childcare allowance, I think they should, sorry if I missed that out.
    As for your last comment, I don't feel it's as simple as you're making it out to be but I don't want to go even further off topic.
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    (Original post by PapercutMagnet)
    http://www.poverty.org.uk/56/index.shtml#g2
    First link that came up under "female male earning stats uk".

    I'm not disputing the law and I'm not saying females are eligible to more than men because of their gender.

    Well you said men get stick and that's exactly what I'm talking about. I'm not saying it's exclusive to females, some jobs are socialised by gender.

    The point I was trying to make was that subjects are socialised by gender, and if you want stats, the boy to girl ratio for physics in my school is 16:1 and for English is 5:16. It's not going to be like that everywhere but it's an example.

    But are you referring to odd in terms of what is socialised to be normal for each gender?

    (And please refrain from judging how 'bad' my life may be. It's irrelevant to the topic. Change doesn't have to happen because things are bad.)



    I'm not disputing that men should get childcare allowance, I think they should, sorry if I missed that out.
    As for your last comment, I don't feel it's as simple as you're making it out to be but I don't want to go even further off topic.
    From what I remember reading in the past about earnings. It doesn't take into account on the jobs. Basically, you won't find females and males who do the same job on different money. If certain individuals aren't competant enough to get to the higher position then there's no reason you should be throwing statistics around.

    A female cleaner will obviously be earning considerbly less than a male CEO. That's basically what these type of statistics manipulate. To me that just shows that there's more motivated men to get more well paid jobs. There's no reason a female can't get the qualifications or experience to get a decent job.

    You also get women who get pregnant and have children. Obviously, being pregnant and going on maternity leave will seriously potentially compromise the business if that said person is in a very high position or decent one.

    Your ratios are pointless. If a woman wants to do a different course, what's stopping her? It's her choice in the end. Forcing people to go different career paths just because you want "equality" or pro feminism is just wrong.
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    (Original post by PapercutMagnet)
    I'm saying that the jobs women are socialised to do are not as high earning, I know legally they are paid the same for the same thing. It would be unfair to blame women completely. And even if confidence is an issue, personally I feel that is due to socialisation.
    Both men and women in developed countries have equal opportunities and are given the same status in education, work and employment. The reason women get paid less on average isn't a socialisation issue, its a gender issue. Men are taught their whole lives that they must be the best they can be in order to attract a mate. Women do not have this burden - unless theyre seriously ugly. This means pushing for better job status, a higher wage, a more complex job. Women are usually content working in a care role because theyre evolutionarily programmed to do just that. They don't have the immense pressure of having to "be a man". Heres an extract from a cracked article:

    "Go look at a city skyline. All those skyscrapers? We built those to impress you, too. All those sports you see on TV? All of those guys learned to play purely because in school, playing sports gets you laid. All the music you hear on the radio? All of those guys learned to sing and play guitar because as a teenager, they figured out that absolutely nothing gets women out of their pants faster. It's the same reason all of the actors got into acting.

    All those wars we fight? Sure, at the upper levels, in the halls of political power, they have some complicated reasons for wanting some piece of land or access to some resource. But on the ground? Well, let me ask you this - historically, when an army takes over a city, what happens to the women there?

    It's all about you. All of it. All of civilization.

    So where you see a world in which males dominate the boards of the Fortune 500, and own Congress, and sit at the head of all but a handful of the world's nations, men see themselves as utterly helpless. Because all of those powerful people only became powerful because they heard that women like power.

    This is really the heart of it, right here. This is why no amount of male domination will ever be enough, why no level of control or privilege or female submission will ever satisfy us. We can put you under a burqa, we can force you out of the workplace -- it won't matter. You're still all we think about, and that gives you power over us. And we resent you for it."
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    (Original post by Michaelj)
    From what I remember reading in the past about earnings. It doesn't take into account on the jobs. Basically, you won't find females and males who do the same job on different money. If certain individuals aren't competant enough to get to the higher position then there's no reason you should be throwing statistics around.

    A female cleaner will obviously be earning considerbly less than a male CEO. That's basically what these type of statistics manipulate. To me that just shows that there's more motivated men to get more well paid jobs. There's no reason a female can't get the qualifications or experience to get a decent job.

    You also get women who get pregnant and have children. Obviously, being pregnant and going on maternity leave will seriously potentially compromise the business if that said person is in a very high position or decent one.

    Your ratios are pointless. If a woman wants to do a different course, what's stopping her? It's her choice in the end. Forcing people to go different career paths just because you want "equality" or pro feminism is just wrong.
    I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say. I know people with the same job and same qualifications will earn the same amount.
    I'm saying the reasons why females don't go out and get those jobs are due to socialisation. I'm not saying people should be forced to do anything. I'd just like it not to be huge issue when a girl wants to do science and it may not be a huge issue to you but you don't experience it. If you really wanted to do something and you got told (jokingly but regularly) that what you said on the matter wasn't valid because of your sex then maybe it'd be important to you. I, speaking as a women, feel at times there may be a biological difference between male and female capabilities of sciences and arts even though I have been told it has not.

    Equality for me is not equal numbers of males and females in al jobs. It's girls not being given dolls and being socialising into thinking females are the only ones who care for the children. I'm saying it both ways, it's not fair on guys either.
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    (Original post by PapercutMagnet)
    I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say. I know people with the same job and same qualifications will earn the same amount.
    I'm saying the reasons why females don't go out and get those jobs are due to socialisation. I'm not saying people should be forced to do anything. I'd just like it not to be huge issue when a girl wants to do science and it may not be a huge issue to you but you don't experience it. If you really wanted to do something and you got told (jokingly but regularly) that what you said on the matter wasn't valid because of your sex then maybe it'd be important to you. I, speaking as a women, feel at times there may be a biological difference between male and female capabilities of sciences and arts even though I have been told it has not.

    Equality for me is not equal numbers of males and females in al jobs. It's girls not being given dolls and being socialising into thinking females are the only ones who care for the children. I'm saying it both ways, it's not fair on guys either.
    Once again that is down to the individual, not the male gender. If a girl wants to go out and do something she likes then she should do. If she is too scared to because she's afraid of what people might think, then she's probably not the right person for the job anyway.

    And your second point... Dolls? Really? Would you prefer to play with an action man? Because my little sisters preferred dolls (I wouldn't be caught dead with a doll). Women are naturally more loving and caring than men. Hence the fact you see all these evil leaders who must be stopped. Women usually have more empathy than men. Women also give birth and so they have a level of attachment. I don't believe I've heard anywhere it's not upto the guy to help raise a child.
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    (Original post by Gwalchgwyn)
    Both men and women in developed countries have equal opportunities and are given the same status in education, work and employment. The reason women get paid less on average isn't a socialisation issue, its a gender issue. Men are taught their whole lives that they must be the best they can be in order to attract a mate. Women do not have this burden - unless theyre seriously ugly. This means pushing for better job status, a higher wage, a more complex job. Women are usually content working in a care role because theyre evolutionarily programmed to do just that. They don't have the immense pressure of having to "be a man". Heres an extract from a cracked article:
    Well while those evolutionary traits are true, I don't think it's the only reason. Not all women are programmed like that, and even if they are, they aren't necessarily content, neither should men be if they are in that position. Evolutionary traits like the ones you've mentioned have weakened. There is more than one reason and socialisation, I feel, is a prominent one.
    I'm not trying to disagree with you, I do agree with some of the things you have said.

    The article was interesting but I feel it only addresses one layer of the way things are. It's quite romanticised and nice to read though (in terms of literature, not flattery).
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    (Original post by Dragonfly07)
    Edit: Guys if you want me to reply to you then you have to actually reply to me in the body of your text and not in the quotes. I don't want to (and I will not) go to the effort of copying and pasting your responses.

    Edit number 2: People seem to be taking this thread to mean that this is the supposed moral behaviour. Morality is subjective. What I'm writing is simply what I think are reasonable explanations for stereotypical occurrences. Whether you think they're moral or not is up to you. If you let natural occurrences dictate morality then you're an idiot.
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    First of all, you are the idiot.

    I am not convinced you yourself are a girl because you are talking out of your ass.

    At first I thought this will be good but then I read it all. What a waste of time.
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    (Original post by Michaelj)
    Once again that is down to the individual, not the male gender. If a girl wants to go out and do something she likes then she should do. If she is too scared to because she's afraid of what people might think, then she's probably not the right person for the job anyway.

    And your second point... Dolls? Really? Would you prefer to play with an action man? Because my little sisters preferred dolls (I wouldn't be caught dead with a doll). Women are naturally more loving and caring than men. Hence the fact you see all these evil leaders who must be stopped. Women usually have more empathy than men. Women also give birth and so they have a level of attachment. I don't believe I've heard anywhere it's not upto the guy to help raise a child.
    Well yes, essentially everything is down to the individual. It's not about being scared, I think you need to experience it to understand it. If I put it this way: when you do a science experiment you look at the data presented to you. A lack of girls indicates either that they're not good at it or that they do not like it. I would strongly argue that not liking it is nothing to do with sex because it's to do with your experiences of the subject which comes down to socialisation. If all your teachers are male you'll associate that subject with males. So then it comes down to girls not being good at it and when other people reinforce that message can you understand someone being insecure about that?
    If you understand where I'm coming from more then great, if not then let's not labour it any more because I think you'll have to experience it to understand.

    I just think it shouldn't be an automatic thing. If the child has no experience of gender and goes into a shop and picks a doll then great, but girls are socialised into it from the colour of the clothes they wear as a baby. I understand there are biological differences (nature vs nuture) but I believe the weighting is about 30:70 just from things I read. It is heading towards nature the more we find out about genetics though.
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    (Original post by Dragonfly07)

    1) Women are likely to reject you if you seem interested, but they would be intrigued by you if you don't show any interest in them.

    Explanation: A woman usually starts off being flattered by men's advances the first time it happened to her. Over time, a statistical pattern starts to form in which the number of perverted men who only wanted her for sex > genuine men. Consequently, the default position for interested men in her head is in the "pervert" category.

    As a result, men who don't seem interested in her would automatically stand out and will appear to be better prospective partners because they obviously aren't sex crazed or weird if they're not actively going after her or even paying her attention.


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    That's just a downright odd and cynical attitude. Not to mention a total generalisation about men.
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    (Original post by tinshed)
    First of all, you are the idiot.

    I am not convinced you yourself are a girl because you are talking out of your ass.

    At first I thought this will be good but then I read it all. What a waste of time.
    ... because only men are capable of talking out of their ass?
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    (Original post by Dragonfly07)
    ... because only men are capable of talking out of their ass?
    because if she is a girl then she knows nothing about her own sex
 
 
 
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