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    (Original post by Tuerin)
    I wasn't aware that posts challenging the premise of a thread were now 'troll posts'. I have only stimulated disussion on the merits of this challenge. Perhaps you are so defensive against discussion - to the point of hurling insults - because you sense my arguments might be correct?
    You don't feel there are merits to fapstinence and abstaining from porn - that's fine. Others feel there are merits to fapstinence and abstaining from porn - that's also fine.

    Lastly, you have not come with a mind to discuss; rather you have come with your mind already made up, ready to attack the 200 or so participants who keep trying to press on with the Challenge.

    And yet we still forge our ways ahead. :haughty:
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    (Original post by Tuerin)
    There are two things in all this that make me think you have a sensitive ego.

    1. The amount of emphasis you place on the fact that your thread has become so popular.

    2. The haste and defensiveness with which you have responded to those who simply want an open discussion on the actual merits of this challenge.

    Why is it that you cannot tolerate those who disagree with your contentions?
    The last time I checked, chap, there wasn't a big red sign on the OP saying "We welcome arguments for and against this Challenge". Rather, it was "Join or not". Simple as that.

    As I repeat again - you believe there are no merits. Others believe that there are. Yet again, simple as that. Really, do you see us forcing people to join and scorning them if they don't? No, rather it's simply tongue-in-cheek sarcasm about us being men and non-participants being but boys. Simply a bit of fun - maybe it got to you? If so, I verily apologise.
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    (Original post by Sovr'gnChancellor£)
    You don't feel there are merits to fapstinence and abstaining from porn - that's fine. Others feel there are merits to fapstinence and abstaining from porn - that's also fine.

    Lastly, you have not come with a mind to discuss; rather you have come with your mind already made up, ready to attack the 200 or so participants who keep trying to press on with the Challenge.

    And yet we still forge our ways ahead. :haughty:
    Yes - it is fine that we disagree. It is also fine to face those who disagree with you and have a reasonable discussion as to which opinion is logically superior. I would have thought that your experimenting mind would appreciate the value of such intellectual battle.

    (Original post by Wilfred Little)
    I responded to you politely the other night and yet you're still here. If I thought you were correct I would not have even bothered with no fap, that's like, the whole reason why I am doing it.

    You might not be being obvious about it but you are trolling.
    I'm not trolling. I don't troll - look at my profile posts. I have only sought a discussion. It's not a bad thing when two different opinions meet - you disagree with me; cue discussion. To be challenged elasticates the spirit. The world would be a sorry place if we all existed in pockets of universal agreement. Complete intellectual stagnation.
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    (Original post by Tuerin)
    Yes - it is fine that we disagree. It is also fine to face those who disagree with you and have a reasonable discussion as to which opinion is logically superior. I would have thought that your experimenting mind would appreciate the value of such intellectual battle.



    I'm not trolling. I don't troll - look at my profile posts. I have only sought a discussion. It's not a bad thing when two different opinions meet - you disagree with me; cue discussion. To be challenged elasticates the spirit. The world would be a sorry place if we all existed in pockets of universal agreement. Complete intellectual stagnation.
    For someone who keeps going on about intellect you have a hard time reading simple posts don't you?

    I neither disagree or agree with you, that is why I am doing no fap. Read my previous post.
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    (Original post by Sovr'gnChancellor£)
    The last time I checked, chap, there wasn't a big red sign on the OP saying "We welcome arguments for and against this Challenge". Rather, it was "Join or not". Simple as that.
    I'm simply curious as to why you are not open to the premise of this challenge - that abstaining from sexual pleasure will result in positive character development - being challenged. Just another challenge for you to embark on. Unless you feel there is absolutely nothing in any of this?
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    (Original post by Wilfred Little)
    If I thought you were correct I would not have even bothered with no fap
    (Original post by Wilfred Little)
    For someone who keeps going on about intellect you have a hard time reading simple posts don't you?

    I neither disagree or agree with you, that is why I am doing no fap. Read my previous post.
    I did, and the way you worded it could very reasonably be construed that you have made up your mind that I am wrong and Chancellor is correct.
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    A part of me is just interested in what Tuerin has at stake here...to be so committed to trying to talk the whole thing down :cool: If people want to try it, then they can try it. If it's a waste of time, then they'll find that out, and then they're welcome to fap again. If they find that it isn't a waste of time, then they will have found some worth to it, be its physical/mental benefits or something else. It's really not like it's a life/death situation :rolleyes:
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    I don't think it's fair to call Tuerin a troll just for disagreeing with the merits of the challenge. He's welcome as far as I'm concerned to disagree and post about his disagreements as much as he wants; people will form their opinions on whether or not fapstinence is a pursuit worthy of their time or not one way or the other.

    What he says, however, is trivial, and my fapstinence transcends trivialities.
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    (Original post by Tuerin)
    I'm simply curious as to why you are not open to the premise of this challenge - that abstaining from sexual pleasure will result in positive character development - being challenged. Just another challenge for you to embark on. Unless you feel there is absolutely nothing in any of this?
    This is nofap, not nofap and debate with people who dont Google reasons for nofap andand then attack fapstronauts 2013
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    (Original post by Bluffroom)
    This is nofap, not nofap and debate with people who dont Google reasons for nofap andand then attack fapstronauts 2013
    This is an internet forum. Not a secret society. Discussion is inevitable.
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    (Original post by EmmaBurton)
    No, if you shoot your load as a result of someone else or nobody touching your bell end you haven't failed. It's only if you touch that part of yourself that you've gone astray.
    That's a bit of a loose definition, I mean nobody touches your penis if you pillow hump while awake but I would count that as masturbation.
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    (Original post by amyshamblesxx)
    I'm not sure. At first I was struggling and didn't think I'd last, but I actually don't feel overly horny. I think I'm over the hump as it were. So it appears to have affected my sex drive, in that I'm not constantly horny (which was pretty much the case before I started this, although I didn't always act on it and would usually masturbate just once a day).

    It does mean I can concentrate on my work and I seem to be able to focus more, I do feel slightly more energetic as well.
    I'm the same. After my initial fail the first few days were tough but it's getting easier. For a while I was just so tempted. But I thought how many guys are sticking with this and how few girls and I wanted to show I can do anything they can. Plus I binned my vibe .

    Getting more energy now, not laying about in bed fiddling with my bits.
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    (Original post by KatieMM)
    I'm the same. After my initial fail the first few days were tough but it's getting easier. For a while I was just so tempted. But I thought how many guys are sticking with this and how few girls and I wanted to show I can do anything they can. Plus I binned my vibe .

    Getting more energy now, not laying about in bed fiddling with my bits.
    ErrMAgerhd gurls masturbate too! It's official


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    (Original post by The Mad Dog)
    That's a bit of a loose definition, I mean nobody touches your penis if you pillow hump while awake but I would count that as masturbation.
    I think pillow-humping counts as fapping. It's not like someone else is doing it. Likewise for us girls, washing machines, showers, bicycle seats etc .
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    (Original post by KatieMM)
    Likewise for us girls, washing machines, showers, bicycle seats etc .
    Beg 'pardon?
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    (Original post by KatieMM)
    I think pillow-humping counts as fapping. It's not like someone else is doing it. Likewise for us girls, washing machines, showers, bicycle seats etc .
    Ever seen cruel intentions 2? :rofl:
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    (Original post by KatieMM)
    I think pillow-humping counts as fapping. It's not like someone else is doing it. Likewise for us girls, washing machines, showers, bicycle seats etc .
    I agree the person I quoted said "It's only if you touch that part of yourself that you've gone astray." which would permit pillow humping and thus ruin any difficult aspect of the challenge.

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    Beg 'pardon?
    I'm not sure about the washing machine, but I can kind of picture the bicycle seat.
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    (Original post by Fenrirs_space)
    A part of me is just interested in what Tuerin has at stake here...to be so committed to trying to talk the whole thing down :cool: If people want to try it, then they can try it. If it's a waste of time, then they'll find that out, and then they're welcome to fap again. If they find that it isn't a waste of time, then they will have found some worth to it, be its physical/mental benefits or something else. It's really not like it's a life/death situation :rolleyes:
    Does it have to be a life/death situation for an intellectual debate to occur? I'm pretty sure gay marriage isn't a life/death situation. Neither was black/white segregation. I would still view those issues as worthy of debate
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    (Original post by Tuerin)
    I'm simply curious as to why you are not open to the premise of this challenge - that abstaining from sexual pleasure will result in positive character development - being challenged. Just another challenge for you to embark on. Unless you feel there is absolutely nothing in any of this?
    I can certainly respond to you, basing my reason on personal experiential evidence. According to such evidence, even just a few days lead to what are perceived by myself to be positive benefits and gains - this includes, but is not limited to, an increase in raw motivation, drive and mental and physical resilience. However, this is not to say that I was suddenly able to focus on important things and carry out necessary tasks such as school/university work. Rather, such positive benefits and gains could only be harnessed by myself if I cultured the correct mindset (hence why I keep on saying to everyone 'if you play it right'). If I had simply played video-games during such periods, I would have seen no positive gains, except an increase in motivation to play more video-games for longer and ill effects would probably arise from over-playing.

    In any case, personal experiential evidence also shows me that the longer I continued in periods of such reticence, the more pronounced and heightened such benefits were (again, 'if I played it right').

    Moreover, it would seem that many would agree with such experiential evidence - namely, they too must have experienced at least similar things. Hence why I started this Challenge up. Clearly, most probably due to positive individual experiential evidence, such a Challenge as proved popular.

    Do I intend to embark on this forever? No. Not necessarily. But for 2013 - yes. What is so hard to understand about this. It is but for a single year. The average lifespan of participants will probably range from 50-90+, passing over randomness and unforeseen events. A year of experiencing a different side of the human experience is an interesting endeavour and journey. As you said, it is the 'denial of man's most strongest instinct' or something to that effect - what better way to experience another side of the human experience than to completely restrain oneself? Other sides of the human experience, including travelling for a long period of time; engaging with completely different and new cultures and peoples etc and so on and so forth. This Challenge is but one of many different sides.
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    Is it too late to join? We're only two weeks into the 52 week year, but I only just saw this...

    Anyway, count me in regardless! The crusade begins now!
 
 
 
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