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    (Original post by tooosh)
    News just in: the brain is made up of different parts!

    But srs, the part of the brain that tries to hold off on masturbation urges is different to the part that causes them
    I can't even remember what your argument was. To be frank, if this works for you, I'm happy for you. I just find it hilarious to suggest that not masturbating will result in the sweeping character developments that some are suggesting on here. If you can provide some empirical evidence to back up your theories (as opposed to anecdotal) I would be much obliged.
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    (Original post by Tuerin)
    All very tenuous
    Hey Tuerin. Relax bud.

    (Original post by HFerguson)
    day 30, yeah buddy
    Congrats!!! :congrats: Well done on this truly marvelous achievement.

    (Original post by insignificant)
    Does anyone here think that masturbation is a natural thing, or sort of a man made creation? On the one hand, masturbation has gone on for hundreds of years, as shown in history. But to me it's just your way of trying to recreate sexual pleasure . If you had never heard of masturbation, do you think you would still instinctively do it? I personally don't think so. Thoughts?
    Yes, it is natural. Other animals masturbate, for example other primates (apes and monkeys), horses, and various other animals. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_...r_masturbation

    As well as this, people have traditionally self-discovered masturbation at a young age without being taught it. (This was for example the case with me; I had discovered it before I ever knew anything about the mechanics of sex.)
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    (Original post by Sai4)
    I'm back in this again, I have found new goals for myself and want to focus on them.
    Good to have you back. Round 2: begin!
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    (Original post by miser)
    Hey Tuerin. Relax bud.
    Did I come across as aggressive in some way? 'All very tenuous'; gosh, on second reading it does come across as rather threatening, doesn't it? :P How is your fapless quest progressing?
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    (Original post by Tuerin)
    Did I come across as aggressive in some way? 'All very tenuous'; gosh, on second reading it does come across as rather threatening, doesn't it? :P How is your fapless quest progressing?
    Nah, I'm just poking fun. Very well thanks. It's been over 18 days for me now and I'm feeling reinvigorated. I still find it hard to pin down the reasons for it, but I think that fapstinence has effectively loudly proclaimed to me, "if you can fapstain, what can't you do?" I'm feeling markedly more enthusiastic in all other areas of my life. A very peculiar phenomenon and one that I'm grateful for.
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    (Original post by Tuerin)
    I can't even remember what your argument was. To be frank, if this works for you, I'm happy for you. I just find it hilarious to suggest that not masturbating will result in the sweeping character developments that some are suggesting on here. If you can provide some empirical evidence to back up your theories (as opposed to anecdotal) I would be much obliged.
    My argument was abstinence => self-confidence. Yours was it wasn't. I said that the knowledge that you have the self-control to do what you want to do and not what your brain makes you want to do gives you self confidence. You said that because the same brain makes you abstain is the one that makes you want to fap, it's basically a contradiction. I said multiple parts of the brain work fairly independently in this issue (to expand - the pre-frontal cortex is used in abstinence, temporal lobe in sexual drive. amongst others. both are mostly disjoint sets) so your point is null.

    As for empirical evidence, well empirical evidence is just evidence based on observation, similar to anecdotal evidence but in higher numbers. Hundreds of people have reported these effects. Just spend 5mins on Google. As sample size increases, anecdotes become a trend. I think this serves as a sufficient sample size. Unfortunately even multitudes of anecdotes don't stack up to the same number of samples in a formal study - no control groups for one, but that doesn't mean they're insignificant or lack basis for serious consideration. The amount of anecdotal evidence is just too large to ignore. Equally though, people on no fap have reported no changes to anything except their libido going up up up so it obviously doesn't have the same effect on everyone for whatever reason.

    The mere fact you're laughing at the notion suggests you're very averse to changing your views and that you had judged the outcome of this branch of the debate from the start. There'll probably be no convincing you regardless of what anyone says.
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    bah dont have the urge but i feel like having one just so i can keep myself awake :/ got to finish this stupid work off :sigh:
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    (Original post by tooosh)
    My argument was abstinence => self-confidence. Yours was it wasn't. I said that the knowledge that you have the self-control to do what you want to do and not what your brain makes you want to do gives you self confidence. You said that because the same brain makes you abstain is the one that makes you want to fap, it's basically a contradiction. I said multiple parts of the brain work fairly independently in this issue (to expand - the pre-frontal cortex is used in abstinence, temporal lobe in sexual drive. amongst others. both are mostly disjoint sets) so your point is null.

    As for empirical evidence, well empirical evidence is just evidence based on observation, similar to anecdotal evidence but in higher numbers. Hundreds of people have reported these effects. Just spend 5mins on Google. As sample size increases, anecdotes become a trend. I think this serves as a sufficient sample size. Unfortunately even multitudes of anecdotes don't stack up to the same number of samples in a formal study - no control groups for one, but that doesn't mean they're insignificant or lack basis for serious consideration. The amount of anecdotal evidence is just too large to ignore. Equally though, people on no fap have reported no changes to anything except their libido going up up up so it obviously doesn't have the same effect on everyone for whatever reason.

    The mere fact you're laughing at the notion suggests you're very averse to changing your views and that you had judged the outcome of this branch of the debate from the start. There'll probably be no convincing you regardless of what anyone says.
    Not at all. The truth is that if I was so certain of the silliness of the premise of this thread I would have stopped posting here long ago; as I said once before I had similar inclinations when I was about 14 and I want to know if there might be any truth in this fapstinence business.

    You cite anecdotal evidence but (and I'm trying to be reasonable here, not made up my mind) that simply is not hard enough to prove a theory and until there is some empirical evidence that fapstinence chemically / psychologically influences positive character development I will remain sceptical. That's just me.
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    (Original post by Tuerin)
    Not at all. The truth is that if I was so certain of the silliness of the premise of this thread I would have stopped posting here long ago; as I said once before I had similar inclinations when I was about 14 and I want to know if there might be any truth in this fapstinence business.

    You cite anecdotal evidence but (and I'm trying to be reasonable here, not made up my mind) that simply is not hard enough to prove a theory and until there is some empirical evidence that fapstinence chemically / psychologically influences positive character development I will remain sceptical. That's just me.
    Fair enough. Well played

    At some point the line between anecdotal and empirical evidence is blurred. I'm just saying it's unfair to dismiss evidence because of some arbitrary distinction between them. There is simply just so much of it that statistically, there should be some basis in truth. The only thing studies (note I said studies, not empirical evidence) would serve us at this point is to verify the extent to which it is true and to answer unanswered questions (like why some people don't see any benefits).

    The physiological system for fapstinence for porn addicts is sound given current knowledge but lacks empirical evidence. It may just be those people who benefit physiologically from it.

    Fapstinence may also just make you find something more productive (don't make a pun please, my sanity is fried from automata theory ) to do with your time if you did it a lot, addiction or not. That must provide some kind of character benefit, no?

    Edit: like posting on the student room instead of revising for your 9:30 exam. Yeah. *facepalm*
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    I'd like to just point out that there's no method to empirically judge a person's level of self-confidence; the most accurate method available is simply to ask/observe a person. It's fairly fruitless therefore to ask for empirical evidences relating to the effects of this challenge - anecdotal is all anyone's going to get for a long time.
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    I'm so horny right now but I don't want to fap. It feels awkward to fap during daylight for some reason.
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    Right, progress report incoming!

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    I've got 42 days under my belt now, and at 5:40am last night I had my first wet dream since I was about 12. Massive sign of progress, I'm really happy about that. No need to worry that my balls will just fill up with god knows how much sperm, it will come out naturally. I don't remember what happened in the dream to set it off, it seemed to be completely spontaneous. I was sat in a radio studio at a desk, listening to a woman say she didn't think Harry Potter should have gone to Hogwarts, then next thing I know I've squirted under the desk, and produced another 2 handfuls.

    I woke up straight after and didn't realise what'd happened. The sheets were wet and I thought I'd fapped, I was quite worried about that. But then it became clear it was a dream because obviously I didn't have spunk on my hands.. I spent the next 10 mins cleaning up and writing down what'd happened just so I'd remember in the morning. For those 10 whole minutes I had an erection, rock hard. It was quite odd, usually after ejaculation I lose an erection. There was no refractory period at all, I didn't feel over-sensitive, it's so different to what I'm used to experiencing.


    Wet dreams are a great sign of progress, it shows that your body is adapting to a different frequency of ejaculation and being able to compensate. My brain is rewiring, obviously I don't need porn to become aroused. The dream was so odd, I'm thinking there must have been something else there which caused me to ejaculate, I can't remember anything else, but whatever it was seems to show that I'm more easily aroused by everyday things.

    For any people wondering, a wet dream doesn't constitute cheating. It's completely involuntary and I still haven't fapped. There may be a chaser effect where the orgasm leads to an increased urge to fap - that can last from 1-3 days so I'll try to be aware of that and manage it. Some people have wet dreams a lot sooner than this, some of you may have had one already. If you're worrying that you won't have one, just be patient as it will happen. Your body will do it when it needs to, and no sooner.
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    Yeah, let's do thi-fap, fap fap...ah ****.
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    (Original post by RichyFrench)
    There was no refractory period at all
    Great word.

    And yeah, quite natural. Well done on 42 days.
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    (Original post by miser)
    Great word.

    And yeah, quite natural. Well done on 42 days.
    Cheers man Feels gooood.
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    (Original post by insignificant)
    Does anyone here think that masturbation is a natural thing, or sort of a man made creation? On the one hand, masturbation has gone on for hundreds of years, as shown in history. But to me it's just your way of trying to recreate sexual pleasure . If you had never heard of masturbation, do you think you would still instinctively do it? I personally don't think so. Thoughts?
    I think it's man-made. In the days before organised society etc, when humans become old enough to have sex drives, they would pair off and have full sex.

    Also pretty much every religion says masturbation is immoral. That kind of tells me it is a destructive thing.

    I had one fail just after starting this challenge but after the first few difficult days have found my sex drive diminished and also changing a lot. Without being too crude I'm more focused on penetration than clitoral arousal. so my boyfriend's kind offer of unlimited oral may not be needed, I'm keener on the old in-out.
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    (Original post by KatieMM)
    I think it's man-made. In the days before organised society etc, when humans become old enough to have sex drives, they would pair off and have full sex.
    I made a post on this earlier, but various species of animals also masturbate.

    (Original post by KatieMM)
    Also pretty much every religion says masturbation is immoral. That kind of tells me it is a destructive thing.
    To my knowledge, only the Abrahamic religions condemn it. Not because it's destructive, but because they have a pre-occupation with sex (for convoluted cultural reasons). And of the Abrahamic religions, really it's only the Catholic church that kicks up much of a fuss about it; protestants have never been particularly vocal about it, and neither have Jewish people. I think that Islam prohibits it but I may be wrong.

    Other religions may promote fapstinence but generally I think it is seen as a spiritual matter.
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    Help me, I am close to breaking my No Fap
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    (Original post by HighwayUnicorn)
    Help me, I am close to breaking my No Fap
    Remind yourself why you are doing it.

    Watch a TV program

    Read an interesting thread on here

    Go for a walk in the snow

    Tidy your room

    Organise your sock drawer

    Do something which makes you focus on something else
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    (Original post by HighwayUnicorn)
    Help me, I am close to breaking my No Fap
    Are you in control or is your penis? Take a step back. Which scenario do you prefer? Summon the strength. Be more than just a wang.
 
 
 
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