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    ****ing hell, you guys are still at it, or not at it :mmm:
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    Today will be 81 days

    It's been a difficult road but hopefully I'll make it to the end
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    I've forced myself to filter out all potential triggers during weekday working hours with StayFocusd, around 20 buzzwords as well as sites. Feel kinda pathetic :/
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    Enjoy your prostate cancer.
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    (Original post by Stroma)
    Enjoy your prostate cancer.
    We already discussed that. That study was flawed.

    Your move.
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      (Original post by tooosh)
      We already discussed that. That study was flawed.

      Your move.
      Er, not really. Too little or too much ejaculation could increase the risk of prostate cancer, according to scientists.

      Your move.
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      (Original post by Iamyourfather)
      Er, not really. Too little or too much masturbation could increase the risk of prostate cancer, according to scientists.

      Your move.
      You know how scientists convey their findings? Scientific papers and journals.
      http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article....ticleid=198487
      http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...9.01677.x/full - in fact it's sex that may have an affect on prostate cancer, if anything. And it has been confirmed that masturbating is physiologically different to sex (different levels of prolactin release for example) so it makes sense that there would be some other difference.
      http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...497.x/abstract - some people have found relationships to other negative things. But tbf they don't properly control for porn.
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        (Original post by tooosh)
        You know how scientists convey their findings? Scientific papers and journals.
        http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article....ticleid=198487
        http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...9.01677.x/full - in fact it's sex that may have an affect on prostate cancer, if anything. And it has been confirmed that masturbating is physiologically different to sex (different levels of prolactin release for example) so it makes sense that there would be some other difference.
        http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...497.x/abstract - some people have found relationships to other negative things. But tbf they don't properly control for porn.
        As a biochemist to be, I do know what a scientific paper is. Thank you Mr. Condescending :rolleyes:

        I actually changed what I said to ejaculation minutes after you quoted me. Facts remain. If you're adamant to not fap it's advisable to at least remain sexually active (but I guess that defeats the point?); but based on the posts I've seen, very few have. I highly doubt the lads here will be faced with prostate cancer (provided they get checked).
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        (Original post by tooosh)
        We already discussed that. That study was flawed.

        Your move.
        Ejaculation decreases the risk of prostate cancer.
        Your move.
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        (Original post by Iamyourfather)
        As a biochemist to be, I do know what a scientific paper is. Thank you Mr. Condescending :rolleyes:

        I actually changed what I said to ejaculation minutes after you quoted me. Facts remain. If you're adamant to not fap it's advisable to at least remain sexually active (but I guess that defeats the point?); but based on the posts I've seen, very few have. I highly doubt the lads here will be faced with prostate cancer (provided they get checked).
        It sounded like you were trying to be the voice for scientists yourself

        I don't know what facts your referring to but the papers I linked suggest that masturbation is at best, not linked to prostate cancer which implies the same for ejaculation and there is an inverse link between sex and prostate cancer in older men.

        I did a quick google for other stuff inversely linking masturbation and prostate cancer, for some reason all I could find were BBC and askmen articles, neither of which actually cited their studies.

        (Original post by Stroma)
        Ejaculation decreases the risk of prostate cancer.
        Your move.
        Well um.. that doesn't miss the point at all :rolleyes: look at my earlier post where I linked studies showing other conclusions.
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        (Original post by The Mad Dog)
        Thirdly, I found this report about the positive and negative repercussions of living without masturbation, and why masturbation is a human choice.
        That was a very stimulating report.
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          (Original post by tooosh)
          It sounded like you were trying to be the voice for scientists yourself
          Of course not, my comments are based on large scientific reports. As we know, science isn't always reliable and results can be conflicting. The best way to ensure that results are reliable is to keep reproducing or creating new experiments on a large, more efficient scale.

          The term 'ejaculation' normally includes sexual intercourse, masturbation and nocturnal emissions.

          A summary of the prostate/ejaculation link via experimentations on a large scale: http://www.newscientist.com/article/...st-cancer.html

          http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...0540607.d02t03

          http://www.harvardprostateknowledge....rostate-cancer

          http://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer...ation-prostate

          I'll like to change what I initially said a little, too little ejaculation doesn't necessarily increase prostate cancer, it may not however decrease the chances. Frequent masturbation is encouraged.
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          Considering there's an increased chance of prostate cancer from not masturbating, and I haven't seen any positive effects of not masturbating, this is stupid as hell.
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          (Original post by Iamyourfather)
          Of course not, my comments are based on large scientific reports. As we know, science isn't always reliable and results can be conflicting. The best way to ensure that results are reliable is to keep reproducing or creating new experiments on a large, more efficient scale.

          The term 'ejaculation' normally includes sexual intercourse, masturbation and nocturnal emissions.

          A summary of the prostate/ejaculation link via experimentations on a large scale: http://www.newscientist.com/article/...st-cancer.html

          http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...0540607.d02t03

          http://www.harvardprostateknowledge....rostate-cancer

          http://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer...ation-prostate

          I'll like to change what I initially said a little, too little ejaculation doesn't necessarily increase prostate cancer, it may not however decrease the chances. Frequent masturbation is encouraged.
          The problem is that those studies don't distinguish between sex and masturbation. Ejaculation isn't always just ejaculation, there are hormonal differences with how you ejaculate. The idea that masturbation and sex can be freely exchanged in a physiological context is outdated and just one of the many assumptions made in the Kinsey days which are still popular. It's proven not to be the case. One of the only studies which properly differentiates between them shows no link.
          I still don't see where you've drawn your "Frequent masturbation is encouraged." conclusion from. You've posted a bunch of studies with very cautious deductions in their conclusions, one of which goes as far as saying that no-one should bother changing their habits just yet and you've said that masturbating a lot is encouraged? Encouraged by you or those researchers?

          All the studies you've linked to say more research needs to be done. All I'm saying that it sounds a lot like fappers rationalization when everyone comes running in here saying that masturbation reduces the chance of prostate cancer.
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          (Original post by miser)
          Yes, I never had any until I started this challenge, and during that time I've gotten two (days 30 and 75 respectively). I'm not sure why it is - I'm doubtful it's due to 'build up' but rather to an increased sensitivity to sexual thoughts.
          That rocks . Well done. When a guy has a nocturnal emission it means he has been fap-free so long that nature has taken over and expelled the sperm of its own accord. IMO when that happens it shows the guy has real self control and has faced down temptation. Man, you rock!
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          (Original post by miser)
          Yes, I never had any until I started this challenge, and during that time I've gotten two (days 30 and 75 respectively). I'm not sure why it is - I'm doubtful it's due to 'build up' but rather to an increased sensitivity to sexual thoughts.

          I also did feel it both times (though only the first one do I remember what I was dreaming about).
          Yeah I don't think it's just a buildup of sperm. It's more to do with how horny you become. I had a wet dream the night after having sex once... highly doubt it's a buildup/overload thing.
          But I haven't had one again, even in my 100 day streak of no orgasms. Odd.
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            (Original post by tooosh)
            The problem is that those studies don't distinguish between sex and masturbation. Ejaculation isn't always just ejaculation, there are hormonal differences with how you ejaculate. The idea that masturbation and sex can be freely exchanged in a physiological context is outdated and just one of the many assumptions made in the Kinsey days which are still popular. It's proven not to be the case. One of the only studies which properly differentiates between them shows no link.
            I still don't see where you've drawn your "Frequent masturbation is encouraged." conclusion from. You've posted a bunch of studies with very cautious deductions in their conclusions, one of which goes as far as saying that no-one should bother changing their habits just yet and you've said that masturbating a lot is encouraged? Encouraged by you or those researchers?

            All the studies you've linked to say more research needs to be done. All I'm saying that it sounds a lot like fappers rationalization when everyone comes running in here saying that masturbation reduces the chance of prostate cancer.
            I honestly think you're trying to extract any little thing to condone the act of no fapping, it's quite ridiculous. I can only tell you want scientists have found: The act of ejaculating frequently may help to decrease the risk of prostate cancer. Don't kill the messenger. Once more extensive research has been done, more specific statements can be made. The first paper you have linked me to also umbrellas the term ejaculation, if you're upset by its general use it's best not to use papers that contradict your thoughts.

            Masturbation and safe sex is encouraged in the west due to its health benefits, surely this is common knowledge? The body of a non-asexual person can efficiently tell its owner when it's being deprived of sex or its derivative (discomfort (i.e blue balls), crankiness, wet dreams, easy arousal, prostate problems etc), if it were no issue, people would have no problem not fapping.

            I have no reason to stop people from not fapping, it's not my concern. To not fap even with all the side effects is pretty commendable imo, it's shows a lot of perseverance.

            All scientific studies requires further research, not just the ones I have posted. Science doesn't claim to be concrete.
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            (Original post by Iamyourfather)
            I honestly think you're trying to extract any little thing to condone the act of no fapping, it's quite ridiculous. I can only tell you want scientists have found: The act of ejaculating frequently may help to decrease the risk of prostate cancer. Don't kill the messenger. Once more extensive research has been done, more specific statements can be made. The first paper you have linked me to also umbrellas the term ejaculation, if you're upset by its general use it's best not to use papers that contradict your thoughts.

            Masturbation and safe sex is encouraged in the west due to its health benefits, surely this is common knowledge? The body of a non-asexual person can efficiently tell its owner when it's being deprived of sex or its derivative (discomfort (i.e blue balls), crankiness, wet dreams, easy arousal, prostate problems etc), if it were no issue, people would have no problem not fapping.

            I have no reason to stop people from not fapping, it's not my concern. To not fap even with all the side effects is pretty commendable imo, it's shows a lot of perseverance.

            All scientific studies requires further research, not just the ones I have posted. Science doesn't claim to be concrete.
            And I honestly think you're trying to throw up a straw man here. I have no problems with fapping. I'm quite happily not doing nofap right now. I'm saying that a reduced risk of prostate cancer isn't a good reason for fapping. Don't put words in my mouth.

            What scientists have found is conveyed in journals and articles about studies. I have linked some saying there is no link, even a positive link and you have linked some saying there is a negative link. The only paper differentiating between masturbating and sex as needs to be done has found no relationship. Scientists don't communicate their findings using word of mouth, coming into my point about common knowledge. Common knowledge is bull****. Something being common knowledge isn't a good reason to believe it. A lot of commonly accepted "truths" are wrong or at least don't have any scientific or even theoretical backing.

            If we should wait for "once more extensive research has been done, more specific statements can be made" to happen then maybe specific statements like "frequent masturbation is encouraged" shouldn't be made
            Masturbation in the west is encouraged because an orgasm feels good, the west is sexually liberal so there is no big stigma against it and so people encourage it. When you combine a natural high intensity reward like that with "a fap a day keeps the doctor away" then yeah... it's encouraged
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              (Original post by tooosh)
              And I honestly think you're trying to throw up a straw man here.

              What scientists have found is conveyed in journals and articles about studies. I have linked some saying there is no link, even a positive link and you have linked some saying there is a negative link. The only paper differentiating between masturbating and sex as needs to be done has found no relationship. Scientists don't communicate their findings using word of mouth, coming into my point about common knowledge. Common knowledge is bull****. Something being common knowledge isn't a good reason to believe it. A lot of commonly accepted "truths" are wrong or at least don't have any scientific or even theoretical backing.

              If we should wait for "once more extensive research has been done, more specific statements can be made" to happen then maybe specific statements like "frequent masturbation is encouraged" shouldn't be made
              Nope.

              If it's been observed via scientific observations (which it has) and educated amongst many it's not 'bull***'. It's encouraged because of its health benefits and innateness (which are not mutually exclusive).

              One paper is not enough to draw strong conclusive evidence I'm afraid. As I've said before, more experiments need to done to produce more reliable results. So far there is much more evidence to suggest that frequent ejaculation may decrease prostate cancer risks. You can argue about this till kingdom come but this is just how it currently is.

              This argument is getting pretty mundane, I'm done.
             
             
             
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