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    (Original post by Iamyourfather)
    Nope.

    If it's been observed via scientific observations (which it has) and educated amongst many it's not 'bull***'. It's encouraged because of its health benefits and innateness (which are not mutually exclusive).

    One paper is not enough to draw strong conclusive evidence I'm afraid. As I've said before, more experiments need to done to produce more reliable results. So far there is much more evidence to suggest that frequent ejaculation may decrease prostate cancer risks. You can argue about this till kingdom come but this is just how it currently is.

    This argument is getting pretty mundane, I'm done.
    Your logic essentially lies on the lines on "everyone else believes it so I believe it", "it is because it is and nothing you say can change that" and papers which do not make the necessary controls and on those lines, that quantity is more important than quality of evidence. Even if I only have one that does establish the appropriate controls, it's one more than you do. If it has been observed and the environment was good then there will be solid studies and you won't have to rely on "everyone else believes it." None of these are direct quotes, but it's what you're saying.

    Fact is, you're arguing that frequent masturbation is good and definitely helps prevent prostate cancer when at best, we don't know enough. In fact you've said both that frequent masturbation is good and that more research needs to be done, and you haven't even directly responded to some of my points.
    So yes, this argument is pretty much over. It tends to happen when one of the parties doesn't actually participate in it properly
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    Is it normal to be seriously horny like every 3 hours?
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    Is it normal to be seriously horny like every 3 hours?
    Yep. It might not be horniness, it might be cravings. There is a difference before you ask. Unfortunately it's hard to explain without going into wishy washy subjective feelings crap.
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    No Fap is the biggest waste of time ever. It doesn't improve your social life and it has the potential to give you prostate cancer. Avoid doing this like the plague. It really is pointless guff to trick you all.
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    (Original post by tooosh)
    Yep. It might not be horniness, it might be cravings. There is a difference before you ask. Unfortunately it's hard to explain without going into wishy washy subjective feelings crap.
    Can you explain? Hearing some wishy washy subjective feeings crap doesn't bother me!
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    (Original post by Riku)
    Can you explain? Hearing some wishy washy subjective feeings crap doesn't bother me!
    It's coming up with it that's the hard part, not hearing it!

    Erm...
    Real horniness feels liberating. Not "I need to fap now or I'm gonna explode!" but "**** YEAH SHE'S HOT I'M GONNA GO TALK TO HER AND BANG HER!"

    Ahh that's very contextual. It's hard to describe. The draw is also to making yourself in a position to get laid rather than just getting laid. And you don't feel like you're going to explode with the tension.
    When you're truly horny, your anxiety starts melting away. You just know what to do.

    It's one thing that porn has suppressed in modern society.
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    (Original post by The Mad Dog)
    No Fap is the biggest waste of time ever. It doesn't improve your social life and it has the potential to give you prostate cancer. Avoid doing this like the plague. It really is pointless guff to trick you all.
    Yup, this.

    There's absolutely no evidence that stopping masturbation is in any way beneficial.

    On the other hand, we do know that unnaturally suppressing your sexual instincts leads to neuroses, mental illness and feelings of guilt and shame.
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    Is it normal to be seriously horny like every 3 hours?
    If anything I've gotten more horny, and I'm on day 82.
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    (Original post by The Mad Dog)
    No Fap is the biggest waste of time ever. It doesn't improve your social life and it has the potential to give you prostate cancer. Avoid doing this like the plague. It really is pointless guff to trick you all.
    A greater sense of self-control over your life certainly has the potential to help you improve your social life. As would likely the positive consequences of weening yourself off of a pornography addiction. As for the risk of prostate cancer, if it exists at all it is negligible enough to remain difficult to quantify.

    (Original post by MostUncivilised)
    Yup, this.

    There's absolutely no evidence that stopping masturbation is in any way beneficial.

    On the other hand, we do know that unnaturally suppressing your sexual instincts leads to neuroses, mental illness and feelings of guilt and shame.
    There are many people who have claimed benefits from having undertaken the challenge, and no particular reason to doubt them. I think you have made a mistake in asserting that not-masturbating leads to feelings of guilt and shame; presumably it is giving in when you believed doing so was wrong that would lead to guilt and shame.

    But in any case, I'm confused as to why the existence of this thread still bothers you.
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    But in any case, I'm confused as to why the existence of this thread still bothers you.
    Ah, you're under a misapprehension there. Let me help you with your confusion.

    This thread doesn't bother me. But lack of bother doesn't mean I'm not going to comment if I believe people are unnecessarily injuring themselves.

    (Original post by miser)
    There are many people who have claimed benefits from having undertaken the challenge, and no particular reason to doubt them
    I suppose if anecdote is sufficient, in your mind, to overturn established scientific fact, then by all means I won't stand in your way.

    giving in when you believed doing so was wrong that would lead to guilt and shame.
    And the whole point of NoFap is that masturbation is wrong. Of course, it's really more a nebulous mix of anecdote, old wives tales and unscientific thinking, but silver bullets and easy answers are like gold dust to the credulous.
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    (Original post by MostUncivilised)
    I suppose if anecdote is sufficient, in your mind, to overturn established scientific fact, then by all means I won't stand in your way.
    I'm yet to see this 'established scientific fact' that there are no benefits to nofap.

    (Original post by MostUncivilised)
    And the whole point of NoFap is that masturbation is wrong. Of course, it's really more a nebulous mix of anecdote, old wives tales and unscientific thinking, but silver bullets and easy answers are like gold dust to the credulous.
    Err, no it isn't. I don't believe it's wrong whatsoever, and to my knowledge neither does anyone else, though I can't necessarily speak for them.
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    I admire you people. I had a bilateral orchidopexy done(don't ask ...only hearing what it is is painful) and my surgeon said I wasn't allowed to spank the monkey for 2 weeks. 3 days later...that's how long I managed. It caused my incision to partly open up. Don't blame me it's an addiction:')
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    (Original post by miser)
    I'm yet to see this 'established scientific fact' that there are no benefits to nofap
    You seem to be under a misapprehension about how science works. See, there's this thing called falsifiability. I've attached a link for you to read up

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability

    An unfalsifiable proposition is one that you can safely regard as utter rubbish.

    Err, no it isn't. I don't believe it's wrong whatsoever, and to my knowledge neither does anyone else, though I can't necessarily speak for them.
    So you don't claim that masturbation has a deleterious effect on a man's sex-life, ability to attract sexual partners, and the like? Progress, of a sort.
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    (Original post by Theworriedone)
    I admire you people. I had a bilateral orchidopexy done(don't ask ...only hearing what it is is painful) and my surgeon said I wasn't allowed to spank the monkey for 2 weeks. 3 days later...that's how long I managed. It caused my incision to partly open up. Don't blame me it's an addiction:')
    ...ouch.
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    (Original post by MostUncivilised)
    You seem to be under a misapprehension about how science works. See, there's this thing called falsifiability. I've attached a link for you to read up

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability

    An unfalsifiable proposition is one that you can safely regard as utter rubbish.
    I'm quite aware of falsifiability, but you see, our conversation went like this:

    Me: There are many people who have claimed benefits from having undertaken the challenge, and no particular reason to doubt them.
    You: I suppose if anecdote is sufficient, in your mind, to overturn established scientific fact, then by all means I won't stand in your way.
    Me: I'm yet to see this 'established scientific fact' that there are no benefits to nofap.

    You brought up the idea that there was 'established scientific fact' directly to the contrary of something that I had stated; I merely questioned you for it. I am happy with the idea that there may be no evidence either for or against the position that abstainance from masturbation has benefits, but you have made an assertion that I am going against 'established scientific fact'. Either back up your assertions or don't, but don't presume to tell someone that they do not understand how science works merely for asking to see the evidence to which you already alluded. That is a completely incredulous way to conduct yourself in a discussion.

    (Original post by MostUncivilised)
    So you don't claim that masturbation has a deleterious effect on a man's sex-life, ability to attract sexual partners, and the like? Progress, of a sort.
    No, I don't claim that. Actually I would expect the opposite: that a 'healthy' amount of masturbation would be conducive to a man's sex life and his ability to attract sexual partners.
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      (Original post by tooosh)

      Fact is, you're arguing that frequent masturbation is good and definitely helps prevent prostate cancer when at best, we don't know enough. In fact you've said both that frequent masturbation is good and that more research needs to be done, and you haven't even directly responded to some of my points.
      So yes, this argument is pretty much over. It tends to happen when one of the parties doesn't actually participate in it properly
      You've been misinformed, such statements have been made due to factual scientific evidence, not because "everyone else believes it". For example, eating 5 fruit or veg a day will not definitely make you healthy but it is encouraged in order to prevent the risk of diseases, this is common knowledge, is this now an 'untrue statement' because it's common knowledge? Poor argument on your part.

      If you'd bothered reading posts properly I never claimed it will definitely prevent prostate cancer, I said there is a possibility it may decrease the risks. Masturbation is encouraged because it is perfectly natural and there are many health benefits that may come with it (as I have already said). Like I previously mentioned, science doesn't claim to be concrete and always seeks to explore an area in more depth.

      I have acknowledged all what you've said, directly and indirectly.

      No, you're being as stubborn as a mule. You're creating entirely new and irrelevant points (i.e essentially digging a hole to avoid accepting what I'm saying) and ignoring my actual valid points. I have no personal reason to be anti-no fap, I don't have a penis, I'm just stating facts.

      It actually appears that you cannot argue properly
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      (Original post by Iamyourfather)
      You've been misinformed, such statements have been made due to factual scientific evidence, not because "everyone else believes it". For example, eating 5 fruit or veg a day will not definitely make you healthy but it is encouraged in order to prevent the risk of diseases, this is common knowledge, is this now an 'untrue statement' because it's common knowledge? Poor argument on your part.

      If you'd bothered reading posts properly I never claimed it will definitely prevent prostate cancer, I said there is a possibility it may decrease the risks. Masturbation is encouraged because it is perfectly natural and there are many health benefits that may come with it (as I have already said). Like I previously mentioned, science doesn't claim to be concrete and always seeks to explore an area in more depth.

      I have acknowledged all what you've said, directly and indirectly.

      No, you're being as stubborn as a mule. You're creating entirely new and irrelevant points (i.e essentially digging a hole to avoid accepting what I'm saying) and ignoring my actual valid points. I have no personal reason to be anti-no fap, I don't have a penis, I'm just stating facts.

      It actually appears that you cannot argue properly
      1) If they have been made with scientific evidence then you can provide me with it. Go and find it. With proper and relevant controls. You know, controls distinguishing between masturbation and sex. And here we have another straw man - I'm not saying that because it's public knowledge it's false. That's retarded. I'm saying that's all you have to rely on because you haven't provided sufficient evidence, and it being public knowledge isn't enough to redeem it.
      2) Fine. But you're basing your recommendations on what "could" be or what's "possible" and you don't have the right to be telling people to masturbate any more or less for what even the scientists you cite state requires further research before the findings are applied. I'm going to take the word of a few, in all likelihood, unbiased PhDs over you - who you even cited.
      3) Masturbation being natural is a whole other debate in itself and makes no implication to how healthy it is. Not all that's natural is healthy.
      You haven't listed any other benefits of masturbation with proper scientific credibility. You've just said there are some. I am the only one who has put forward credible and plausible evidence that masturbation isn't as good, disregarding prostate cancer, as you seem to think and that it's sex that brings benefits. I'm not saying fap less because it might not be bad, but you are saying fap more because it might be good. But even the people who have found first hand that it might be good don't think it's strong enough to tell everyone to fap more. They actually did the experiments and seem unbiased.
      4) I can't argue? I'm yet to receive a response about you having quantity of evidence over quality of evidence, me catching you on a pair of contradicting statements ("Once more extensive research has been done, more specific statements can be made." "Frequent masturbation is encouraged.") and maybe others. I don't believe I've not tackled any points made by you but I could be wrong and I couldn't care less because I've had enough and won't read it if you do.

      tl;dr everyone else, masturbation may help to prevent prostate cancer but no-one actually knows so take part/don't take part for reasons you may have other than this.
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        tl;dr everyone else, masturbation may help to prevent prostate cancer but no-one actually knows so take part/don't take part for reasons you may have other than this.
        I'm afraid I too will be joining the tl;dr bandwagon
       
       
       
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