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    (Original post by soft tim)
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    hahahahaa actually loled...thanks
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    (Original post by Sovr'gnChancellor£)
    Whilst I would not disagree with testosterone rising, I would disagree with the time period you have stated. In my previous four month period of complete abstinence, I had frequent spikes in test (and even HGH). This was four months, not four days. My levels did not 'go back to normal', in the sense that my 'normal' merely shifted to a higher level.
    The research I looked at was conducted over a large sample of people but only over 2-3 weeks so I can't account for testosterone changes over a longer period than this.

    Data should hold true for at least the first 1-2 weeks though.
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    (Original post by cyfer)
    The research I looked at was conducted over a large sample of people but only over 2-3 weeks so I can't account for testosterone changes over a longer period than this.

    Data should hold true for at least the first 1-2 weeks though.
    Fine that's true. But if I had personally and individual relied on the data and tugged after the first 1-3 weeks or so and left it at that, I would not have experienced those great four months. I would have missed out what was arguably an excellent period of my life.

    Just saying...
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    LOOOL! get a girlfriend guys!
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    (Original post by jmalks)
    Thank you but that site is still associated with that tedx video. I do agree we haven't adapted to todays porn but what about television or facebook or gaming? Surely it's all the same? Or is it that masturbating with porn releases much more dopamine than watching tv does? Is that why it's different and harmful?
    The amount of dopamine released watching TV is very low compared to fapping. Having said that, you can become addicted to TV, facebook and gaming though too. Fapping to porn can rewire your brain a lot quicker than the others could. Check out the last spoiler in the OP, that'll help explain things.
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    (Original post by jmalks)
    Thank you but that site is still associated with that tedx video. I do agree we haven't adapted to todays porn but what about television or facebook or gaming? Surely it's all the same? Or is it that masturbating with porn releases much more dopamine than watching tv does? Is that why it's different and harmful?
    Television, facebook (facebook not so much) and gaming all follow the same kind of patterns.

    Many are 'addicted' to TV and gaming and yet do not even know it. There are varying degrees of addiction - it is not just black and white, addiction and non-addiction.

    The forcing of a large release of dopamine by such things as tugging to porn is not without drawbacks. Dopamine is not infinite, much like the human lifespan is not infinite. With such a high, there is most definitely a fall to follow. This can be seen with excess alcohol (and I'm not just talking about the hangover effect - there's also the lower mood in the day/days after bingeing).

    Television (excess) is apparently said to also not be without fault. There are actual withdrawal symptoms seen in people (especially younger people and children) - I believe that 'television addiction' is an actual 'medical disorder' :ahee: (so Wiki and related research state). With such a large release of dopamine, the activities being undertaken at that time are associated with it. Therefore any other activities (unless like the aforementioned activities) do not produce such dopamine release (e.g. studying, reading etc) and ultimately, one seeks the 'fix' from the activities because it is the only (or one of the only, these days) that 'gets them up' and makes ups their mood.

    Many of the above activities rewire the brain (porn whilst tugging, even more so).
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    (Original post by Genald)
    LOOOL! get a girlfriend guys!
    That would be fulfil 'EASY' mode, yes. :yes:
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    Hi!

    Probably a bit late, I've started today! :^_^:

    Started: 10/01/13 00:00

    Will update my progress on here when I can!
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    (Original post by Sovr'gnChancellor£)
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    So how would you suggest replacing this pleasureful 'dopamine' that gets released?
    And apparently abstaining = becoming bigger/taller ? True.false?
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    (Original post by Sovr'gnChancellor£)
    Television, facebook (facebook not so much) and gaming all follow the same kind of patterns.

    Many are 'addicted' to TV and gaming and yet do not even know it. There are varying degrees of addiction - it is not just black and white, addiction and non-addiction.

    The forcing of a large release of dopamine by such things as tugging to porn is not without drawbacks. Dopamine is not infinite, much like the human lifespan is not infinite. With such a high, there is most definitely a fall to follow. This can be seen with excess alcohol (and I'm not just talking about the hangover effect - there's also the lower mood in the day/days after bingeing).

    Television (excess) is apparently said to also not be without fault. There are actual withdrawal symptoms seen in people (especially younger people and children) - I believe that 'television addiction' is an actual 'medical disorder' :ahee: (so Wiki and related research state). With such a large release of dopamine, the activities being undertaken at that time are associated with it. Therefore any other activities (unless like the aforementioned activities) do not produce such dopamine release (e.g. studying, reading etc) and ultimately, one seeks the 'fix' from the activities because it is the only (or one of the only, these days) that 'gets them up' and makes ups their mood.

    Many of the above activities rewire the brain (porn whilst tugging, even more so).
    Thank you. I'm going to keep going. I think i must've just had a massive craving. On that website richyfrench linked, one of the tips for abstaining was simply not thinking about it but for some reason i keep coming on this thread :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Sovr'gnChancellor£)
    Fine that's true. But if I had personally and individual relied on the data and tugged after the first 1-3 weeks or so and left it at that, I would not have experienced those great four months. I would have missed out what was arguably an excellent period of my life.

    Just saying...
    I'm not saying you shouldn't do what you're doing. It would be pretty dumb to ignore your own success. I'm just saying you shouldn't try to convince others to follow the success of a single individual (yourself) over data sampled over a wide range of people.

    People should try out different things, abstaining for 4 months, abstaining periodically, not abstaining etc and figure out what is best for them. Some people might find they get better results with certain things since we are all different.

    So I'm saying, continue what you find best for you but offer it as a suggestion as something to try out, in the same way a bodybuilder at the gym may offer advice from his experience (which may be completely flawed from the viewpoint of science), not as anything credible to deny data
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    (Original post by itshusi)
    Hi!

    Probably a bit late, I've started today! :^_^:

    Started: 10/01/13 00:00

    Will update my progress on here when I can!
    No, not too late at all. Really glad to have you with us! :congrats:

    Good luck and hang in there! :yy:



    (Original post by theworld)
    So how would you suggest replacing this pleasureful 'dopamine' that gets released?
    And apparently abstaining = becoming bigger/taller ? True.false?
    You should do exercise. Socialise more. All of these release dopamine/enable brain to have higher concentration of it and therefore your brain should begin to reboot and attune pleasure with these activities.

    I'm not so sure what you mean by the second question - perhaps, expand upon it a little further? :hmmmm2::holmes:
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    (Original post by cyfer)
    I'm not saying you shouldn't do what you're doing. It would be pretty dumb to ignore your own success. I'm just saying you shouldn't try to convince others to follow the success of a single individual (yourself) over data sampled over a wide range of people.

    People should try out different things, abstaining for 4 months, abstaining periodically, not abstaining etc and figure out what is best for them. Some people might find they get better results with certain things since we are all different.

    So I'm saying, continue what you find best for you but offer it as a suggestion as something to try out, in the same way a bodybuilder at the gym may offer advice from his experience (which may be completely flawed from the viewpoint of science), not as anything credible to deny data
    Exactly. This is exactly what this challenge is! It is not mandatory and yet we have nearly 200 participants, with a number already beginning to see benefits.

    Many (who have failed) have even already seen that they have some issues to resolve and certainly might be mildly addicted.
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    (Original post by Sovr'gnChancellor£)
    Exactly. This is exactly what this challenge is! It is not mandatory and yet we have nearly 200 participants, with a number already beginning to see benefits.

    Many (who have failed) have even already seen that they have some issues to resolve and certainly might be mildly addicted.
    Yes but it's not negative side effects too. I.e. you're going to get dead sperm building up which can lower your sperm count.

    You're invoking a group mentality, whereas in reality anyone genuinely interested in this should be researching it all themselves, trying out what they think is most credible and then assessing the side effects from an objective point of view.

    You're creating a situation now where people feel pressurised to feel side effects, or at least have some form of placebo effect just because of others' "miraculous stories".
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    (Original post by Sovr'gnChancellor£)
    No, not too late at all. Really glad to have you with us! :congrats:

    Good luck and hang in there! :yy:





    You should do exercise. Socialise more. All of these release dopamine/enable brain to have higher concentration of it and therefore your brain should begin to reboot and attune pleasure with these activities.

    I'm not so sure what you mean by the second question - perhaps, expand upon it a little further? :hmmmm2::holmes:
    regular ejaculation uses up your energy. If your going through a growth spurt it could stunt it?
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    (Original post by cyfer)
    Yes but it's not negative side effects too. I.e. you're going to get dead sperm building up which can lower your sperm count.

    You're invoking a group mentality, whereas in reality anyone genuinely interested in this should be researching it all themselves, trying out what they think is most credible and then assessing the side effects from an objective point of view.

    You're creating a situation now where people feel pressurised to feel side effects, or at least have some form of placebo effect just because of others' "miraculous stories".
    OK, but ultimately it is still a fun challenge and a very good test/improvement of will-power and self-control.

    There is a great possibility (:innocent:) that I might have gotten so caught up in the great effects that I individually and personally felt that I so eagerly want others to experience it to (much like a manic evangelist/pentecostal preacher-guy who just wants everyone to feel what he felt and see what he saw, even though they might not be able to/might not! :ahee: )

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    regular ejaculation uses up your energy. If your going through a growth spurt it could stunt it?
    Well, an argument against that is that many young people tug regularly and still grow well and whatnot.

    However, if one has poor nutrition and over-tugs, it's bound to not be very good.
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    (Original post by cyfer)
    Yes but it's not negative side effects too. I.e. you're going to get dead sperm building up which can lower your sperm count.

    You're invoking a group mentality, whereas in reality anyone genuinely interested in this should be researching it all themselves, trying out what they think is most credible and then assessing the side effects from an objective point of view.

    You're creating a situation now where people feel pressurised to feel side effects, or at least have some form of placebo effect just because of others' "miraculous stories".
    I don't think there's pressure people are doing this voluntarily and as you said the good side effects good be due to a placebo effect

    And if people are feeling better due to this placebo their aren't really any negatives

    Plus I'm not too sure on the dead sperm count thing yes some sperm will die but I'm sure men produce millions so that's not really a big deal



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    I don't think there's pressure people are doing this voluntarily and as you said the good side effects good be due to a placebo effect

    And if people are feeling better due to this placebo their aren't really any negatives

    Plus I'm not too sure on the dead sperm count thing yes some sperm will die but I'm sure men produce millions so that's not really a big deal



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    In all honesty without this "movement" I never would have even thought about this so I for one am glad that the OP has taken the time to make this thread and enlist other members to complete the challenge
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    (Original post by diggy)
    I don't think there's pressure people are doing this voluntarily and as you said the good side effects good be due to a placebo effect

    And if people are feeling better due to this placebo their aren't really any negatives

    Plus I'm not too sure on the dead sperm count thing yes some sperm will die but I'm sure men produce millions so that's not really a big deal



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    And it is only for a year, not forever.

    Even if an ascetic and celibate (for 30 years) monk of 50 years of age wants to procreate, he'll just have to take some measures to get his sperm count up and prepare himself and he'll be golden! This Challenge is only 1 year out of a lifespan (arguably) of some 70+ years!
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    (Original post by nofap2013)
    In all honesty without this "movement" I never would have even thought about this so I for one am glad that the OP has taken the time to make this thread and enlist other members to complete the challenge
    Thankyou - much appreciated. :top2:
 
 
 
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