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    (Original post by Parx)
    Who are you to tell me as a black person that I'm lying or not trying hard enough to meet white people? I'll figure that out for myself thanks.

    Also stop hiding behind the fact that this 60% is inclusive of the outer areas of London as opposed to inner, and is inclusive of central London. I would say about 20% are white english in actual London. Don't bull**** around.
    Come back to me when you can prove that any part of London is 20% white.

    I am in a perfect position to tell you you are not trying hard enough. It's obvious. I've lived in London all my life, grew up in some of the most ethnic parts such as hackney and Croydon, and I meet white English people nearly everyday without trying.

    You can say whatever you like but as far as I'm concerned, your just wrong.
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    (Original post by Parx)
    We could be here all night. People of all colours judge on colour, it's a simple fact. White, black, asian you name it.

    This thing about trying to beat white people down when they raise any issues is exactly why white English people won't exist in London in about 20 years. We don't have a voice!

    EDIT: It's not coincidence that alot of white people are moving to places like Hertfordshire, Essex and Guildford as well as leaving to live in places like Australia.
    dont you worry i work in conservation

    i will make sure "white english people" are put on the endagered speices list like mountain gorillas and pandas

    i will also start a intensive breeding programme for "white english people"

    adopt a "white english (my ancestors moved from africa to uk) people" and we'll give you a photo every week of your new "white english( my country conquered half the globe) people"

    racist good fornothing bigot
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    (Original post by jennaz77)
    Come back to me when you can prove that any part of London is 20% white.

    I am in a perfect position to tell you you are not trying hard enough. It's obvious. I've lived in London all my life, grew up in some of the most ethnic parts such as hackney and Croydon, and I meet white English people nearly everyday without trying.

    You can say whatever you like but as far as I'm concerned, your just wrong.
    Actually, *you're* just wrong. Oh the irony.

    I'll say it again ... I don't need to be told by you that I'm essentially making things up. It was proven in the latest census results that white English people ARE a minority in parts of London.

    End of.

    Edit: Ok, tell me where you meet white english people? Go on, reveal this fantasy. The tube doesn't count. Nor does other forms of transport or seeing white people in Starbucks. Tell me where you MEET white english people.
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    (Original post by Parx)
    I find London to be a bit of an enigma. On one hand I love how big it is, the anonymity of it. The endless things to do and places to see. To an EXTENT, the cultural aspects and meeting people from different backgrounds etc But having lived abroad in my life I've never had a problem meeting people from other backgrounds. I've known people from all over the world from a young age as I lived abroad.

    But then I think to myself how it's difficult to fit in as a white working class English guy sometimes. Honestly, unless you mix in middle class circles you simply don't get the chance to meet groups of white people. The polarisation of rich/poor means you have middle class enclaves mixed in with the poverty, council estate type of areas.

    I've just grown tired of not being able to meet hardly any white english people at all. It seems the only way to meet them is by joining a sports team. But I'm tired of going to school or college or work and being a 10% minority. In my last 2 jobs there were hardly any white english people, and these are big retail companies. At school literally about 90% of the school was just catering for ethnic children and unless you go to a good/bordering middle class/bordering private school - it is always like that.

    If you go into places like Subway and so on, you'll see an Asian manager and 9/10 it's full of Asian workers. I've seen this countless of times in places like Sainsbury's and Poundland etc They'll literally just employ Asians and some Poles.

    It's really affected my social life and my chances with girls. Let's consider that I only really like white girls in general, and I don't have any middle class friends or circles - therefore it's very very hard to meet white english girls who aren't ghetto. The people outside of London are very different to the types in London. You only have to compare the types of white people in unis outside of London, compared to the white people in London unis to be able to see the social differences between them. To the point where having lived both in and inside of London, I can look at a group of people and tell whether or not they are from London. The people outside of London will be more kind of traditionally English.

    I don't see why I should have to move out of London to meet white people. Also I've been moved around in my life so much that I just want to settle now.

    I just think it's a big shame. I'm also pissed off at the idea that black/asian people think they can call white people like myself racist just because we want to meet some of our own. I mean, we are now a minority according to the latest census figures. Why shouldn't we meet some of our own? Asians and black people congregate together in their own communities and neighbourhoods and jobs and so on, why shouldn't we? It's like you have a group of 20 people with 2 white people - that is multiculturalism. Everything is fine and dandy. Have 18 white people and that group is perceived to be potentially racist by other ethnic minorities.

    Sadly, I know I'm not the only white person thinking this exact same thing. Noone really wants to talk about it in fear of accusations, but I know that many white English people feel the same. White English people will become extinct certainly in London within about 15 years.

    I'll go into work tomorrow and meet my 15 odd work colleagues. I'm the only English person. They're a great bunch and we have a laugh. But it's alienating being in England and being the only white English person knocking about. You start to lose your identity. I mean it's only natural. If a black or asian guy/girl was surrounded by 14 white people at work in Pakistan or Nigeria how would they feel?

    EDIT: OH LOOK 66 LIKES - DOES THAT MEAN WE ARE ALL RACIST?!

    THE TRUTH HURTS!
    Just because someone is black or Asian doesn't necessarily mean they came from abroad perhaps they were actually brought up in england.. So technically are British!
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    (Original post by Parx)
    Actually, *you're* just wrong. Oh the irony.

    I'll say it again ... I don't need to be told by you that I'm essentially making things up. It was proven in the latest census results that white English people ARE a minority in parts of London.

    End of.

    Edit: Ok, tell me where you meet white english people? Go on, reveal this fantasy. The tube doesn't count. Nor does other forms of transport or seeing white people in Starbucks. Tell me where you MEET white english people.
    What do you mean by meet white people?.. You see them everyday!
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    (Original post by hannahchan)
    Just because someone is black or Asian doesn't necessarily mean they came from abroad perhaps they were actually brought up in england.. So technically are British!
    'Technically they are British'.

    Tehnichally if a white man was born in Ghana he is Ghanian.

    Technically if a black man was born on the moon he is Moonian.

    So what.
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    (Original post by hannahchan)
    What do you mean by meet white people?.. You see them everyday!
    There's a difference between seeing and meeting as I subtly pointed out in a previous post.

    Yes, you SEE lots of white people ... on the tube, in starbucks, in suits walking along in Canary Wharf. Just because they are white, doesn't always make them English firstly. Now unless this is a new thing, people generally don't go approaching others in public.

    Now go and live in the residential areas of London outside the city and the surrounding rich areas and let's see how many white people you can see. Yes you still see a fair share, but again doesn't mean they are English. And even if they are do you think they live in those areas? Often not. They are just passing by. Who do I meet in my local college, in the local school, in the local gym, in my workplace - 90% are ETHNICS. Black and Asian. Very few white english people. Any whites are usually Poles. These are the guys who occupy the area.

    There's a big difference between seeing and meeting.
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    (Original post by Parx)
    There's a difference between seeing and meeting as I subtly pointed out in a previous post.

    Yes, you SEE lots of white people ... on the tube, in starbucks, in suits walking along in Canary Wharf. Just because they are white, doesn't always make them English firstly. Now unless this is a new thing, people generally don't go approaching others in public.

    Now go and live in the residential areas of London outside the city and the surrounding rich areas and let's see how many white people you can see. Yes you still see a fair share, but again doesn't mean they are English. And even if they are do you think they live in those areas? Often not. They are just passing by. Who do I meet in my local college, in the local school, in the local gym, in my workplace - 90% are ETHNICS. Black and Asian. Very few white english people. Any whites are usually Poles. These are the guys who occupy the area.

    There's a big difference between seeing and meeting.
    Firstly can you not use the term "Ethincs" to describe or refer to Non- White people as its offensive on both White and Non-White people since its pretty much denying that White people have an ethincity or an ethinic group.

    Secondly in your desire to meet more White English people which is in within your right to do so if you which have to more people of your ethnicity in your social circle may i make the suggestion in going outside slightly out of London and go to areas like Chigwell, Buckhurst Hll which are on the Central where they are plenty of White English people to socialise with and meet and also areas like Brentwood.
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    (Original post by Parx)
    'Technically they are British'.

    Tehnichally if a white man was born in Ghana he is Ghanian.

    Technically if a black man was born on the moon he is Moonian.

    So what.
    Meaning.. You can't accuse supposed ethnics from immigrating to England when they were actually born here.

    And the thing about whites.. Well I disagree.. For Much of where I live there is lot of white people and very few ethnic minorities.. It depends what places in England you go.. And how central to London you go..
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    I'm sorry but I negged you because this thread can be summed up in one sentence. Why on earth does it matter what ethnicity your friends are? No matter if your race has been on the land a thousand years there is no such thing as god-given land. Times change, demographics change.
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    (Original post by Parx)
    There's a difference between seeing and meeting as I subtly pointed out in a previous post.

    Yes, you SEE lots of white people ... on the tube, in starbucks, in suits walking along in Canary Wharf. Just because they are white, doesn't always make them English firstly. Now unless this is a new thing, people generally don't go approaching others in public.

    Now go and live in the residential areas of London outside the city and the surrounding rich areas and let's see how many white people you can see. Yes you still see a fair share, but again doesn't mean they are English. And even if they are do you think they live in those areas? Often not. They are just passing by. Who do I meet in my local college, in the local school, in the local gym, in my workplace - 90% are ETHNICS. Black and Asian. Very few white english people. Any whites are usually Poles. These are the guys who occupy the area.

    There's a big difference between seeing and meeting.
    Maybe you should spend less time on TSR and internet and more time out in the world trying to meet people.

    Just saying...... Staying on your computer isn't helping. This is England, if you want to meet more whites, then go and meet more whites. Join a sports club, go to events where there are likely to be more white people, TRY AND DO SOMETHING, join a gym, etc. Just go to places where they will be. Its really not that hard, if you really want to, make the effort. MAybe you need to get off your arse and do something to change your situation rather than whining about it.

    Join a dating site, go out with your white friends! White English people do exist in London, so just go where they are and socialise. It sounds like you are just lazy and want the perfect girl to just walk up to you. You need to live in the real world.

    Sorry if you (and anyone else here) think London is getting to ethnic, blame colonialism and world war 1 and 2. What's done is done and england is unlikely to ever be as white as it was 50 years ago. YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO ACCEPT THIS, BECAUSE WHAT ELSE CAN YOU DO? I'm sure the native people of australia, the US, canada etc weren't happy about the influx of the british, but they have to accept it now, don't they. Same goes with the English. Rule Brittania! lol Try going to areas outside of your 'local.'
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    This is an interesting discussion.

    The OP has a valid point regarding the difference between white middle and working classes and the extent to which certain areas of London have changed hugely over the years. I think it is true that on the whole middle or upper class areas such as Richmond, Fulham, Chelsea, Hampstead etc have remained predominantly white, whereas certain parts of the East End, traditionally home to the white working classes, have changed hugely.

    If I had been brought up as white working class in the East End and within the space of a generation had seen such massive changes I'm not sure how easy I would have found it to deal with. I don't think it is racist to say that - more a human reaction to feel anxiety at such rapid change.

    I say the above because, as a white middle class person, my first reaction was indeed to say 'hey, what's the problem, the more the merrier in terms of races etc', especially since after 15 years in London I recently moved to Guildford and actually really miss the multicultural feel of London. But then I lived in Richmond so I guess I could dip in and out of it when I chose. Incidentally I do distinctly recall a couple of black friends coming over to Richmond for the day and saying 'yep, it's lovely but we could never live here because there just aren't any black people and we would feel uncomfortable'.

    London has always been a centre of huge change over the centuries, especially the central parts, but that doesn't necessarily make it any easier for those directly affected, such as the OP, to deal with it I guess.

    On a practical level, am not sure what you can or should do about it OP - my suggestion would be to try and embrace it and think that we're all basically human beings and you're just going to look for good people to socialise with. Or move out. Sorry if that's not what you want to hear and good luck with finding a nice girl, whoever she may be
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    I think its tragic that we are diluting our country brown migrants. I am extremely proud to be white and I would like my country to stay white.
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    (Original post by Sphinx_5494)
    Maybe you should spend less time on TSR and internet and more time out in the world trying to meet people.

    Just saying...... Staying on your computer isn't helping. This is England, if you want to meet more whites, then go and meet more whites. Join a sports club, go to events where there are likely to be more white people, TRY AND DO SOMETHING, join a gym, etc. Just go to places where they will be. Its really not that hard, if you really want to, make the effort. MAybe you need to get off your arse and do something to change your situation rather than whining about it.

    Join a dating site, go out with your white friends! White English people do exist in London, so just go where they are and socialise. It sounds like you are just lazy and want the perfect girl to just walk up to you. You need to live in the real world.

    Sorry if you (and anyone else here) think London is getting to ethnic, blame colonialism and world war 1 and 2. What's done is done and england is unlikely to ever be as white as it was 50 years ago. YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO ACCEPT THIS, BECAUSE WHAT ELSE CAN YOU DO? I'm sure the native people of australia, the US, canada etc weren't happy about the influx of the british, but they have to accept it now, don't they. Same goes with the English. Rule Brittania! lol Try going to areas outside of your 'local.'
    What makes you think I haven't tried? Dude, try living in London and going to schools that don't exist anymore because the school catered for a student demographic that can only be described as 90% ethnic minorities and completely wild.

    My local gym is just ginormous black men, many of whom are affiliated with gangs.

    My workplace I am the only English person in about 15. This is a well known retail company as well.

    When you've lived here for 7/8 years and everything around you is like some kind of poverty/sympathy social club for ethnic minorities, I'd like to see how optimistic you'd remain.
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    (Original post by TDL70)
    This is an interesting discussion.

    The OP has a valid point regarding the difference between white middle and working classes and the extent to which certain areas of London have changed hugely over the years. I think it is true that on the whole middle or upper class areas such as Richmond, Fulham, Chelsea, Hampstead etc have remained predominantly white, whereas certain parts of the East End, traditionally home to the white working classes, have changed hugely.

    If I had been brought up as white working class in the East End and within the space of a generation had seen such massive changes I'm not sure how easy I would have found it to deal with. I don't think it is racist to say that - more a human reaction to feel anxiety at such rapid change.

    I say the above because, as a white middle class person, my first reaction was indeed to say 'hey, what's the problem, the more the merrier in terms of races etc', especially since after 15 years in London I recently moved to Guildford and actually really miss the multicultural feel of London. But then I lived in Richmond so I guess I could dip in and out of it when I chose. Incidentally I do distinctly recall a couple of black friends coming over to Richmond for the day and saying 'yep, it's lovely but we could never live here because there just aren't any black people and we would feel uncomfortable'.

    London has always been a centre of huge change over the centuries, especially the central parts, but that doesn't necessarily make it any easier for those directly affected, such as the OP, to deal with it I guess.

    On a practical level, am not sure what you can or should do about it OP - my suggestion would be to try and embrace it and think that we're all basically human beings and you're just going to look for good people to socialise with. Or move out. Sorry if that's not what you want to hear and good luck with finding a nice girl, whoever she may be
    Thank you, someone who understands. People on here don't seem to get that unless you come from a middle class background (which includes attending a middle class type of school, living in a middle class neighbourhood and so on) - then you are left to mingle with the ghetto (generally speaking).

    Oh don't say that about black people ... they think they're invincible!

    There's not much I can do. I think I'll just graduate and then go abroad. Best option.
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    (Original post by Parx)
    Thank you, someone who understands. People on here don't seem to get that unless you come from a middle class background (which includes attending a middle class type of school, living in a middle class neighbourhood and so on) - then you are left to mingle with the ghetto (generally speaking).

    Oh don't say that about black people ... they think they're invincible!

    There's not much I can do. I think I'll just graduate and then go abroad. Best option.

    I think people would have more sympathy for you if you came across as less racist. Nothing wrong with having preferences but comments about black people being ghetto or 'Oh don't say that about black people ... they think they're invincible!' do have fairly obvious racist undertones. You mentioned earlier on about white girls being ghetto in these working class areas, but seem to focus on black people. This elavates you from 'guy wanting to date white girls,' to someone with a underlying problems with other races. I understand that change is hard and seeing your environment change has to be difficult. but its difficult to be sympathetic when you continually make disparaging racist comments. Can't you see that?

    'Sympathy/social club?' What the hell is that about? All you seem to associate black or non-whites with is crime, gangs etc. Football violence, rape etc did these things not happen when whites live by themselves. White poor areas have high crime rates in the absence of blacks.

    You've made lots of comments like this as if the golden age of the working classes are gone. However, I'm black from a middle class background and I've been constantly surrounded by majority white people since age 5. But a lot of the surrounding areas were white working class. People were just as ghetto then as they are now. In the absence of black people a lot of these white people were still ghetto. So some of your nostalgia is a bit misplaced.




    Why don't you do more middle class things then? I imagine that is cheaper than going abroad......
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    (Original post by Parx)
    Does it now. So you see ordinary white English people going to Muslim areas and saying ' this is a white english zone, get out ... asian girls are dirty ****s .... take that burkha off now' etc etc??? No you don't.
    ACtually yes you do. When I would walk through the white working class areas as a child they would make killing motions along their neck. I think it was because they were frustrated by change (e.g. diversity) and the fact I was richer than them.

    Stop acting as if crime doesn't exist when white people are around.
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    (Original post by TDL70)
    This is an interesting discussion.

    The OP has a valid point regarding the difference between white middle and working classes and the extent to which certain areas of London have changed hugely over the years. I think it is true that on the whole middle or upper class areas such as Richmond, Fulham, Chelsea, Hampstead etc have remained predominantly white, whereas certain parts of the East End, traditionally home to the white working classes, have changed hugely.

    If I had been brought up as white working class in the East End and within the space of a generation had seen such massive changes I'm not sure how easy I would have found it to deal with. I don't think it is racist to say that - more a human reaction to feel anxiety at such rapid change.

    I say the above because, as a white middle class person, my first reaction was indeed to say 'hey, what's the problem, the more the merrier in terms of races etc', especially since after 15 years in London I recently moved to Guildford and actually really miss the multicultural feel of London. But then I lived in Richmond so I guess I could dip in and out of it when I chose. Incidentally I do distinctly recall a couple of black friends coming over to Richmond for the day and saying 'yep, it's lovely but we could never live here because there just aren't any black people and we would feel uncomfortable'.

    London has always been a centre of huge change over the centuries, especially the central parts, but that doesn't necessarily make it any easier for those directly affected, such as the OP, to deal with it I guess.

    On a practical level, am not sure what you can or should do about it OP - my suggestion would be to try and embrace it and think that we're all basically human beings and you're just going to look for good people to socialise with. Or move out. Sorry if that's not what you want to hear and good luck with finding a nice girl, whoever she may be
    His point stopped being valid when he resorted to constantly undermining other races. It does limit the sympathy factor somewhat.
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    (Original post by Parx)
    Does it now. So you see ordinary white English people going to Muslim areas and saying ' this is a white english zone, get out ... asian girls are dirty ****s .... take that burkha off now' etc etc??? No you don't.
    Try being an Asian looking person and walking into certain white working class areas, you'd almost certainly get abused and sometimes physically attacked. I've never heard of this type of thing happening to whites in ethnic minority areas, I look like a white person (even though i'm half white and half Pakistani) and I grew up in an Asian area and no one ever abused me for being white. If the odd 1 in a million incident of a white being abused in an Asian area ever does happen it's on the front pages of the daily mail.
 
 
 
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