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    (Original post by Rosa Arabelle)
    You're either genuinely delusional or a very dedicated troll.
    i consider myself neither of those things...
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    (Original post by MrHappy_J)
    it's just that every single time i've boarded a plane recently there's always turbulences. the sensation of the plane dropping just freaks me out.

    i couldn't get enough money i'd need to travel somewhere really far like australia. my parents are strapped for cash and it wouldnt be fair.
    OK, fair enough. It does usually take a few grand of money to start off a working holiday, and if you can't get that from anywhere then maybe you're a bit stuck there. Maybe there are cheaper working abroad alternatives you could look for instead? Anyway, it's your call; I feel like I've said my bit now, and if it interests you enough, you'll bother to do the research for it.
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    do you like laughing, try to make yourself laugh then move to a bigger stage...
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    (Original post by Cringe)
    do you like laughing, try to make yourself laugh then move to a bigger stage...
    huh?
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    There's something you're good at but you don't know that yet. It cannot be that you're bad at everything, it's impossible If you just want a job then apply for Warehouse, Factory, Cleaning, Retail jobs. Have you had a thought about recruitment agencies specialising in Hospitality to get you into Hotel work like chambermaids? My colleague got a job as a chambermaid without any prior experience. I don't know much about those agencies but you could still earn some money.

    I can't give much advice because I am in a similar boat, I know what I want but I lack of experience to reach that, so bit by bit starting to work towards that. I apply for jobs that don't require the experience even though the employer would probably consider those with experience, but in my cover letter I explain that I'm keen to learn etc. What about Jobcentre+? I know some say avoid it as much as possible but it's still something than nothing at all. They offer some free courses which could improve your skills and knowledge a bit as well.
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    (Original post by ForgetMe)
    There's something you're good at but you don't know that yet. It cannot be that you're bad at everything, it's impossible If you just want a job then apply for Warehouse, Factory, Cleaning, Retail jobs. Have you had a thought about recruitment agencies specialising in Hospitality to get you into Hotel work like chambermaids? My colleague got a job as a chambermaid without any prior experience. I don't know much about those agencies but you could still earn some money.

    I can't give much advice because I am in a similar boat, I know what I want but I lack of experience to reach that, so bit by bit starting to work towards that. I apply for jobs that don't require the experience even though the employer would probably consider those with experience, but in my cover letter I explain that I'm keen to learn etc. What about Jobcentre+? I know some say avoid it as much as possible but it's still something than nothing at all. They offer some free courses which could improve your skills and knowledge a bit as well.
    i'm 20 years old, if i was good at anything i'd know what it was by now.

    i suppose i could go round houses offering to clean.
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    (Original post by MrHappy_J)
    i'm 20 years old, if i was good at anything i'd know what it was by now.

    i suppose i could go round houses offering to clean.
    See, you had an idea of your own!

    Buy a few cleaning supplies (a mop and bucket, a brush, some Febreeze, a duster and polish), and clean houses for old ladies. You can be self-employed. And once you get good at it, you could turn it into quite a lucrative thing.

    You could eventually get a few contracts to clean offices and corporate buildings.

    People always want cleaners, and it's the kind of thing that you get better at just by practising.

    I'm sure you'll find a way to shoot it down, but I say go for it. What's the worst that can happen?
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    (Original post by dendodge)
    See, you had an idea of your own!

    Buy a few cleaning supplies (a mop and bucket, a brush, some Febreeze, a duster and polish), and clean houses for old ladies. You can be self-employed. And once you get good at it, you could turn it into quite a lucrative thing.

    You could eventually get a few contracts to clean offices and corporate buildings.

    People always want cleaners, and it's the kind of thing that you get better at just by practising.

    I'm sure you'll find a way to shoot it down, but I say go for it. What's the worst that can happen?
    i think i could get more money on the dole though.
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    (Original post by MrHappy_J)
    i think i could get more money on the dole though.
    It shouldn't be possible to earn more on the dole than in employment. Self-employment is obviously a risk, but you're in total control. You won't be able to charge extortionate amounts to begin with, but I'm sure you could beat dole money.

    And in the long-term, you'll get WAY more than if you sit around on the dole. Even if your cleaning business happens to go under, your experience will make it easier to get another job later.
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    (Original post by dendodge)
    It shouldn't be possible to earn more on the dole than in employment. Self-employment is obviously a risk, but you're in total control. You won't be able to charge extortionate amounts to begin with, but I'm sure you could beat dole money.

    And in the long-term, you'll get WAY more than if you sit around on the dole. Even if your cleaning business happens to go under, your experience will make it easier to get another job later.
    it shouldn't be but it is lol.

    whoa what cleaning business? i said nothing about a business.

    i'm so clumsy id probably end up breaking something.
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    (Original post by MrHappy_J)
    it shouldn't be but it is lol.

    whoa what cleaning business? i said nothing about a business.
    Well, that's what it is if you provide a service in return for money. It's a business.

    And I mean it's not possible to earn less in a job than on the dole. If you earn less than a certain amount, I'm pretty sure the government still gives you money.
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    (Original post by MrHappy_J)
    i'm 20 years old, if i was good at anything i'd know what it was by now.

    i suppose i could go round houses offering to clean.
    Only read the first 5 pages, so sorry if someone's said this, but you know that only 30% of the UK population even go to university at the age of 18, (and only another 10% later in their life)?

    You completed two years. Even at the very bottom of the university pile that would put you at 70/100 academically in the UK. You aren't stupid.

    Don't know if that helps, and I can't add much more than other people have (what are your passions etc?), but don't settle for a life on the dole. You might think you don't care now, but come the age of sixty, with nothing but a leaky council flat to show for your life, you will. I don't mind paying for your welfare, it's not about that, it's about life being precious and short. Please don't wait until it's too late to realise that.
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    (Original post by Octohedral)
    Only read the first 5 pages, so sorry if someone's said this, but you know that only 30% of the UK population even go to university at the age of 18, (and only another 10% later in their life)?

    You completed two years. Even at the very bottom of the university pile that would put you at 70/100 academically in the UK. You aren't stupid.

    Don't know if that helps, and I can't add much more than other people have (what are your passions etc?), but don't settle for a life on the dole. You might think you don't care now, but come the age of sixty, with nothing but a leaky council flat to show for your life, you will. I don't mind paying for your welfare, it's not about that, it's about life being precious and short. Please don't wait until it's too late to realise that.
    life is miserable anyway. people spend their lives toiling away and then retire at 75 when it's too late to enjoy anything. and children spend most of their time at school so no time to enjoy life then either.

    when i applied it was 45% of people going to university at 18. that might have changed because of the fees. either way it means nothing now.
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    (Original post by dendodge)
    Well, that's what it is if you provide a service in return for money. It's a business.

    And I mean it's not possible to earn less in a job than on the dole. If you earn less than a certain amount, I'm pretty sure the government still gives you money.
    that's not a business. that's just labour.
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    (Original post by Octohedral)
    I don't mind paying for your welfare, it's not about that, it's about life being precious and short. Please don't wait until it's too late to realise that.
    I mind. Why should some of my wages from working hard (as I plan to) all my life go to supporting her because she can't be bothered to get off her arse?
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    (Original post by MrHappy_J)
    life is miserable anyway. people spend their lives toiling away and then retire at 75 when it's too late to enjoy anything. and children spend most of their time at school so no time to enjoy life then either.

    when i applied it was 45% of people going to university at 18. that might have changed because of the fees. either way it means nothing now.
    Have you considered that you might have depression?

    If not, and you're completely healthy, just remember that you make your own enjoyment in life. It's not just provided for you. Do you enjoy anything? You say eating - would you want to become a food tester, or train as a chef? (I'm not joking - any little thing you enjoy can be turned into a job with a bit of imagination).

    Also, this might be perfect for you - just saw it advertised on TSR. It's funded by the government - they pay for your flights and accommodation etc, if you can fundraise £800. It would give you experience, and you might have fun! http://ics-uk.org.uk/about/

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    I mind. Why should some of my wages from working hard (as I plan to) all my life go to supporting her because she can't be bothered to get off her arse?
    It was an attempt at a clever lie to move the conversation away from 'ha ha, you have to pay for me, and there's nothing you can do about it', and get her to see why she might actually want a life off the dole. You're right, I do care, but it's better the OP is inspired to get a job than told to get one, for us and for her.
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    (Original post by MrHappy_J)
    that's not a business. that's just labour.
    It's labour if you do it for a wage from somebody else.

    But you're setting up your own service, independent of anybody else, and you charge whatever you like for it. That's a business; or, more specifically, a sole trader, but that's just a subset.

    But regardless of what it's called, you can make plenty of money from cleaning. And it was your own idea; I just told you it was a good one.

    Now go buy a mop and knock on the old lady across the road's front door.
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    (Original post by dendodge)
    Well, that's what it is if you provide a service in return for money. It's a business.

    And I mean it's not possible to earn less in a job than on the dole. If you earn less than a certain amount, I'm pretty sure the government still gives you money.
    I agree. After a few months of being on the dole, I managed to get a job, but it was only 8 hours a week and paid about £50 weekly, so I was still entitled to some JSA. In fact, for the first few months of this arrangement, even though I kept the job centre fully informed about my job details from the very beginning, for some reason for ages they were still paying me the full ~£100 JSA fortnightly, and on top of that I was also getting the money from my job :eek:! A mistake on the job centre's part, not mine , and they did amend it much later, but it just goes to show that you're unlikely to miss out from having a job rather than solely being on JSA.


    (Original post by Octohedral)
    Only read the first 5 pages, so sorry if someone's said this, but you know that only 30% of the UK population even go to university at the age of 18, (and only another 10% later in their life)?

    You completed two years. Even at the very bottom of the university pile that would put you at 70/100 academically in the UK. You aren't stupid.

    Don't know if that helps, and I can't add much more than other people have (what are your passions etc?), but don't settle for a life on the dole. You might think you don't care now, but come the age of sixty, with nothing but a leaky council flat to show for your life, you will. I don't mind paying for your welfare, it's not about that, it's about life being precious and short. Please don't wait until it's too late to realise that.
    Really, it's that low? I would have thought it was closer to 50% tbh, with the number of people who seem to think it's strange not to go to uni.
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    (Original post by dendodge)
    It's labour if you do it for a wage from somebody else.

    But you're setting up your own service, independent of anybody else, and you charge whatever you like for it. That's a business; or, more specifically, a sole trader, but that's just a subset.

    But regardless of what it's called, you can make plenty of money from cleaning. And it was your own idea; I just told you it was a good one.

    Now go buy a mop and knock on the old lady across the road's front door.
    if i decide to sell my body for a wage is that also a business?
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    (Original post by MrHappy_J)
    if i decide to sell my body for a wage is that also a business?
    Yes, it's just not a legal one.

    If you want to prostitute yourself, go ahead...
 
 
 
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