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Is Scottish independence a 'good or bad' thing?

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Original post by 1tartanarmy

Educate yourself before talking as if you speak truth.


You do realise that this move has nothing whatever to do with whether Scotland takes its share but is solely aimed at keeping the UK's borrowing costs as low and as stable as possible, don't you?
Original post by 1tartanarmy

The United kingdom is made up of four countries, at a push you can discount wales due to historic reasons but generally its four! the United kingdom as a sovereign state acknowledge this...do I have to find a source?

One thing fueling independence is your attitude. Scotland is not a region, but a country, and we expect to be treated as such...comparing Scotland to the isle of man is insulting.


Actually the UK is a sovereign state made up several dozen local authorities, some of which operate three different legal environments. England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are no more countries, as far as the rest of the world is concerned than Yorkshire is.

And the Isle of Man has a claim to statehood at least as valid as any of the individual home nations, including Scotland.
Original post by 1tartanarmy
Thirty years of which there was no Yes campaign, No referendum. Nothing triggering people to have a think and a read about what they really think, when push comes to shove.

The referendum is not going to be based on the past 30 years, The referendum will count what people think on 18th September.

A swing of 5 points in four months proves you wrong. The support has therefore shifted.


Well there was the small matter of the founding of the Scottish Parliament.


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Original post by 1tartanarmy
It also has no provision for a state to leave in the event of succession. Mature student? why quote him?


I was just adding a thought rather than disagreeing with him.
Original post by Midlander
The SNP promised a utopian society. The average voter is too stupid to think about what they read and will have been taken in by it.

However, Alistair Darling is doing an atrocious job as head of the No campaign. Gordon Brown has to replace him or the nationalists will continue to score points off his passiveness.


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That would be a God send for the Yes campaign.
Original post by King Kebab
That would be a God send for the Yes campaign.


Have you seen Brown talking on the referendum?


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Original post by Midlander
Have you seen Brown talking on the referendum?


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He is a discredited Prime Minister. The Yes campaign would have a field day particularly on economic issues.
Original post by King Kebab
That would be a God send for the Yes campaign.


Agreed, Changing the head of the campaign in its self would look really bad, but changing it to a previously failed, and unelected prime minister would be great news!
Original post by Midlander
Well there was the small matter of the founding of the Scottish Parliament.


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Stating the obvious why?

I can do that too! The scottish parliament is not the same as scottish independence. Duh?
Original post by Good bloke
Actually the UK is a sovereign state made up several dozen local authorities, some of which operate three different legal environments. England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are no more countries, as far as the rest of the world is concerned than Yorkshire is.

And the Isle of Man has a claim to statehood at least as valid as any of the individual home nations, including Scotland.


Thats just wrong. Go find a source to your claims before talking nonsense.
Original post by Good bloke
You do realise that this move has nothing whatever to do with whether Scotland takes its share but is solely aimed at keeping the UK's borrowing costs as low and as stable as possible, don't you?


I know why they said it, in fact it says it early on in their statement. That isn't hard to work out if you can read.

Thanks for your concern though. I can assure you I was well aware of their reasons. Duh?

I swear this BT mob must have lower IQs.
Original post by Midlander
The SNP promised a utopian society. The average voter is too stupid to think about what they read and will have been taken in by it.

However, Alistair Darling is doing an atrocious job as head of the No campaign. Gordon Brown has to replace him or the nationalists will continue to score points off his passiveness.


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I didn't see any promise of a etopian society in the white paper. What page was that again?

The fact is though we will be closer to that if we vote yes.

Agreed Alistair Darling is doing an atrocious job as head of better together.
Original post by 1tartanarmy
Thats just wrong. Go find a source to your claims before talking nonsense.


Well Wikipedia states that the UK is the sovereign state.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states

The UN seems to think that the UK is the sovereign state.

http://www.un.org/en/members/


The EU seems to think that the UK is the sovereign state.

http://publications.europa.eu/code/en/en-5000500.htm#fn-tw1

The world bank seems to think the UK is the sovereign state.

http://data.worldbank.org/about/country-classifications/country-and-lending-groups


Care to show me your source for where the UK is t the sovereign state?
Original post by 1tartanarmy
I know why they said it, in fact it says it early on in their statement. That isn't hard to work out if you can read.

Thanks for your concern though. I can assure you I was well aware of their reasons. Duh?


I swear this BT mob must have lower IQs.


Why are you making the assumption that people who disagree with you are part of a political campaign?

I just like to question spurious claims, falsehoods, down right lies and assumptions dressed up as fact.

thats why I always respond to your posts.

But is stop the name calling if I were you. So far, between yourself, Choo Choo, and cows for sale, most of your claims have been cut and paste from YeSNP websites and have been found to be lacking somewhat in detail and facts. I know which end of the IQ scale I'd put people making such rubbished claims.
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One of my main reasons for voting Yes is that I believe there is more chance of living in a fairer country. I would like to see a fundamental change in the political landscape of our society.
Original post by 1tartanarmy
I didn't see any promise of a etopian society in the white paper. What page was that again?

The fact is though we will be closer to that if we vote yes.

Agreed Alistair Darling is doing an atrocious job as head of better together.


I have yet to see Alex Salmond mention a single thing that is better in RUK than Scotland. According to him everything in Scotland is wonderful and an independent Scotland will be paradise.

He promises increased spending and reduced taxes. He promises EU membership with no Euro. He promises no nuclear option but NATO membership.

I could go on, but it looks like he is promising virtually everything in order to win votes.


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Original post by King Kebab
One of my main reasons for voting Yes is that I believe there is more chance of living in a fairer country. I would like to see a fundamental change in the political landscape of our society.


Do you believe English people are inherently Tory voters who are less socially aware than Scots?


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Original post by King Kebab
One of my main reasons for voting Yes is that I believe there is more chance of living in a fairer country. I would like to see a fundamental change in the political landscape of our society.


In what way? Reduction in spending and pensions, a weakened economy and highrlwr unemployment. That's what's on offer from the SNP.

But th seems to be the problem. Its all of the old school, old labour socialists who seem to be supporting this. Thankfully, we've moved on from the 70s and 80s.

when you say a fairer society, do you really mean 'how much extra money will the state give me?

I already live in a very fair society.
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Original post by Midlander
Do you believe English people are inherently Tory voters who are less socially aware than Scots?


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No, I don't generalize.
Original post by MatureStudent36
In what way? Reduction in spending and pensions, a weakened economy and highrlwr unemployment. That's what's on offer from the SNP.

But th seems to be the problem. Its all of the old school, old labour socialists who seem to be supporting this. Thankfully, we've moved on from the 70s and 80s.

when you say a fairer society, do you really mean 'how much extra money will the state give me?

I already live in a very fair society.


I have no time for the SNP and have huge problems with the campaign.

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