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LISTEN TO YOURSELF!! If who votes for it? SCOTLAND NEVER VOTED HIM IN! Hence several people wanting to leave the UK. Had it been up to Scotland he'd never have taken much power at all really in the first place, but it isn't up to Scotland, it never is. Let us flee from the rest of the UK and start living in a democracy whereby our votes actually reflect the party in power.
So you'd let the Northern Isles flee an independent Scotland? (with their oil) They never voted Salmond in and don't want an independent Scotland.

Shetland is closer to Oslo than Edinburgh, why should Hollyrood rule over them for the benefit of the central belt?
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So you'd let the Northern Isles flee an independent Scotland? (with their oil) They never voted Salmond in and don't want an independent Scotland.

Shetland is closer to Oslo than Edinburgh, why should Hollyrood rule over them for the benefit of the central belt?
And London is closer to Paris than Edinburgh yet here we are. Scotland don't want the tories yet we are being governed under them. What about the people who do want an independent Scotland and probably wont get it? People never voted Conservatives/LibDems nor against independence so they probably wont have anything benefit them. Who's looking out for those people in this?
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Like I said, disliking towards England WILL NOT reflect votes. I came to that conclusion through fact and evidence - http://wingsoverscotland.com/why-lab...need-scotland/
it quite blatantly did destroy our industry how can we blame ourselves when we don't even get to fully control our own country. the union is outdated and no longer necessary. we can continue to trade with England after independence is achieved, like we trade other countries.
What proportion of Scotlands trade is with England?
What proportion of Scotlands trade is with Scotlands largest trading partner outside UK?

Happy to see trade be more on a level with the latter...? :P
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And London is closer to Paris than Edinburgh yet here we are. Scotland don't want the tories yet we are being governed under them. What about the people who do want an independent Scotland and probably wont get it? People never voted Conservatives/LibDems nor against independence so they probably wont have anything benefit them. Who's looking out for those people in this?
Technically not the Tories.

If Scotland has returned a similar proportion of Tory MPs as England then there would have been.

Haha, nobody voted for the coalitions in the Scottish Govt either did they? :P
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Ah yes, the North of England, that ill defined area. People who support it there do so out of spite at Cameron which is pure fickleness from anyone using him as a reason to vote Yes.


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Right.. Can't possibly be because they generally have different political beliefs
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Implying that England controls Scotland by saying the other two countries don't. 1+1=2 and all that.


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Err, I have never done that on this thread, any other thread or any other forum.

A quick look through my involvement in this thread will show you that.
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Is this what our "progressive Scotland" will look like? A nation of bitter xenophobes who blame everything on anyone but themselves?
You know the vast majority of people in Scotland are not like this. I'm surprised you responded to his point tbh as most people would have paid no attention to it.
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LISTEN TO YOURSELF!! If who votes for it? SCOTLAND NEVER VOTED HIM IN! Hence several people wanting to leave the UK. Had it been up to Scotland he'd never have taken much power at all really in the first place, but it isn't up to Scotland, it never is. Let us flee from the rest of the UK and start living in a democracy whereby our votes actually reflect the party in power.
Well over half of Scots didn't vote SNP but have them in government. Care to explain that, genius?


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You know the vast majority of people in Scotland are not like this. I'm surprised you responded to his point tbh as most people would have paid no attention to it.
Disagree, I would say the majority of Scots have made equally stupid comments at one point or another. In fact, I got called an English **** for supporting my ice hockey team in Kirkcaldy a few months ago.


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Err, I have never done that on this thread, any other thread or any other forum.

A quick look through my involvement in this thread will show you that.
'Why would a Yes voter mention Wales or NI when they don't control us?'


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Right.. Can't possibly be because they generally have different political beliefs
Look at the voting patterns in London itself and be prepared to look stupid.


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Disagree, I would say the majority of Scots have made equally stupid comments at one point or another. In fact, I got called an English **** for supporting my ice hockey team in Kirkcaldy a few months ago.


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That's quite a big accusation to make which i'm willing to wager has no credibility.
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'It's not about England v Scotland'


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I completely agree.

Thanks for making it clear though!
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'Why would a Yes voter mention Wales or NI when they don't control us?'


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I think you'll find that comment was not from me.
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great so what if I don't like England? In case you haven't noticed, nobody likes England. If England was better for Scotland economically and politically then hell yeah I'd want to remain part of the union, but they don't. That simple. We've had an effect on a general election three times EVER. We had to endure Thatcherism, destroying our industry. We do not get to control our oil. Our economy suffers. So, as a Scot, I will vote in the best interests of my country - for independence. It's been nice, goodbye .
There you go, bigotry feels good. Scotland wasn't the only area to suffer under Thatcher so save me the violin.


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That's quite a big accusation to make which i'm willing to wager has no credibility.
Why would I make it up? Ice hockey is un segregated.


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There you go, bigotry feels good. Scotland wasn't the only area to suffer under Thatcher so save me the violin.


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Please don't tar the majority of Scottish people simply because of a few idiots.
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I completely agree.

Thanks for making it clear though!
Witty.


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Why would I make it up? Ice hockey is un segregated.


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Who says that I thought you were making this up? I believe you're ice hockey anecdote

What I don't buy into is you're comment "I would say the majority of Scots have made equally stupid comments at one point or another."

I'm willing to bet this is bullocks
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Please don't tar the majority of Scottish people simply because of a few idiots.
Sorry, even though the majority of Scots are not as crude as that poster they express stereotypes and Anglophobia nonetheless. I've lived here long enough to know what is unacceptable to say about one group of people is 'banter' when it's aimed at English folk.


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