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    (Original post by Howard)
    Actually, perhaps they use the sewage system less as they obviously retain more food than they expel.
    Ah good point chap!
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    (Original post by Howard)
    But in the case of smokers they pay for their own health costs and a lot lot more (11.5 billion a year in tax on tobacco versus 1.5 billion a year in the costs of treating tobacco related diseases)

    The question therefore might be reversed "why should people who smoke subsidize non-smokers health care"?
    Ooo duno about that one.

    So when u recon the government are gona tell us we can't smoke in pubs and restaurants?
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    (Original post by ToshTrent)
    Ah good point chap!
    Standard question when you first meet any fat person isn't it?

    Have a big dinner? or did you forget to ****?
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    (Original post by ToshTrent)
    Ooo duno about that one.

    So when u recon the government are gona tell us we can't smoke in pubs and restaurants?
    I dug out the stats on that one a couple months ago so I'm not making it up!

    When? Not sure. Only a matter of time I guess.
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    Oh I as refering to...

    (Original post by Howard)
    The question therefore might be reversed "why should people who smoke subsidize non-smokers health care"?
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    I reckon people should be able to eat what they want, but they should have to deal with the consequences. I think it's wrong for the NHS to pay for their treatment when it is totally their own fault. They should save money to help people that have problems which could not have been avoided. People just need more self control, and if they can't control themselves, then it's their problem, not anyone elses.
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    Ahh but why was the NHS created after the second world war? Think about this.
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    (Original post by onlylittleme)
    Do you think that obese people should have to pay for hospital treatment related to their condition?

    Do you think that obesity is a problem in this country and if so do you think that this is as a result of junk food being too "in your face" and cheap and that this type of food should be taxed and removed from schools?

    I only ask because I had an argument with a friend in which my opinion was that it should be a persons choice to eat what he/she want and that it shouldnt be the government's problem to "nanny" everybody and make sure that everybody was eating healthily. Ok, good nutrition should be well advertised and taught in schools but at the end of the day if somebody wants to eat junk food than they will, and should be able to make that choice for themselves. What do you think??
    As long as they do not go about suing the fast food companies afterwards...
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    (Original post by Jonatan)
    As long as they do not go about suing the fast food companies afterwards...
    LOL U BAAAAD!
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    [QUOTE=onlylittleme]Do you think that obese people should have to pay for hospital treatment related to their condition?

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    Interesting this.

    I'm obese.

    I have a thyroid gland that doesn't work at all, and other medical conditions which mean I have to take medication that increases my weight.

    Oh and on top of that I'm disabled and my disability makes it almost impossible for me to exercise.

    So my obesity is caused by a medical problem, and compunded by other medial problems.

    So do you think I should start to pay for my thyroxine?
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    (Original post by sashh)

    Interesting this.

    I'm obese.

    I have a thyroid gland that doesn't work at all, and other medical conditions which mean I have to take medication that increases my weight.

    Oh and on top of that I'm disabled and my disability makes it almost impossible for me to exercise.

    So my obesity is caused by a medical problem, and compunded by other medial problems.

    So do you think I should start to pay for my thyroxine?
    I think she means people who are obese due to eating too much, rather than a medical condition
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    [QUOTE=sashh]
    (Original post by onlylittleme)
    Do you think that obese people should have to pay for hospital treatment related to their condition?

    QUOTE]

    Interesting this.

    I'm obese.

    I have a thyroid gland that doesn't work at all, and other medical conditions which mean I have to take medication that increases my weight.

    Oh and on top of that I'm disabled and my disability makes it almost impossible for me to exercise.

    So my obesity is caused by a medical problem, and compunded by other medial problems.

    So do you think I should start to pay for my thyroxine?
    I think you're the exception rather than the rule. Most obese people are obese because they stuff themselves with **** food and sit on their fat asses watching TV rather than go out for a jog.

    Ever notice how fat people tend to have fat pets?
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    (Original post by riffraff)
    I think she means people who are obese due to eating too much, rather than a medical condition
    But some people are genetically predisposed to be, if not obese, at least larger than others - I don't mean that they necessarilly have a medical condition, but nevertheless, it would be easier for them to become obese than for others, and it would be unfair to penalize them for something they can't help.
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    (Original post by shilling)
    But some people are genetically predisposed to be, if not obese, at least larger than others - I don't mean that they necessarilly have a medical condition, but nevertheless, it would be easier for them to become obese than for others, and it would be unfair to penalize them for something they can't help.
    that does not account for the fact that the average weight has increased by 10kg over the past twenty years.
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    (Original post by piginapoke)
    Yes but that's not the point, the point is people should have complete freedom of choice. If they are damaging their health then that's their business, and extra taxes on health damaging products would pay for their healthcare. It seems to me to be rather unfair to enforce a lifestyle on people just because the alternatives are seen as unhealthy.
    Giving people freedom of choice to knowingly damage their health limits other peoples freedom in choice. The obese ppl (dnt want to generalise but..) cost the NHS more so the NHS have less flexibility over wot to spend money on. With more n more ppl havin diet related problems there is more money spent on these ppl, who needn't b obese in the 1st place, than on ppl who are ill against their own will ('their own will'. doesnt it seem more unfair to b suffering although u chose a healthier lifestyle, than to be influenced in your decision not to buy unhealthy food cos its more expensive!)

    If u really had freedom of choice do u really think u'd choose 2 eat unhealthy food? Obese ppl r addicted to unhealthy food. That is not freedom of choice!

    You should be made responsible for these choices of freedom you make. 1 way of doing this is by paying extra for foods/****/wotever that are not doing u any good!

    Catxxx :eek:
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    being obese is hideous and immoral. people have a duty to being as fit and as healthy as they can be, so that they can function at an optimum in our society.

    obesity is a disease of decadent capitalism which is trying to distance us from our primary physical human condition, because it is this living in a body which unites us all and may lead to things like socialism and christianity which would deconstruct capitalism.

    liberate yourself! jog!
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    ironic isn't it, we've got ppl dying in america cos they're too fat and have got too much food and ppl in ethiopia (for instance) who r dying cos they haven't got any food. huh hysterical
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    (Original post by piranha85)

    If u really had freedom of choice do u really think u'd choose 2 eat unhealthy food? Obese ppl r addicted to unhealthy food. That is not freedom of choice!
    Exactly, and also, if unhealthy food is better advertised, is cheaper and more readily available (ie. you don't have to make the effort of going to special "health food" shops to find it), then people aren't "free" to choose...so, although I doubt raising taxes on unhealithy food would work, because it would be extremely difficult to categories exactly what is "unhealthy" (you could argue almost all food has some sort of nutritional value, as long as it isn't consumed in excess), at least you can't argue, that this would mean restricting people's freedom of choice, because they're not free to choose as it is.
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    i think that obese ppl should have to pay, i mean how could you eat so much and be comfortable, like someone who said earlier smokers pay via tax obese ppl should not be helped and should pay and they should wake up and stop wasting the doctors time, by this i mean the no one shoved food intot their mouths and they deserve it as they bring it on themselves.
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    being obese is their on fault, they didn't control their habits, and now can't at all, so in the end it is entirely their fault
 
 
 
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