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    (Original post by horrorboy)
    i cant get my head round it. surely german ppl cud see that killing jews was wrong and some1 cud have stopped him :confused:
    in germany, their contry is very secluded, towns are separted by miles of forest and then communication wasnt very good. a town could be right next to a concentration camp and would have no idea what was going on. of corse hitler controlled the media so they didnt really learn anything from the papers exept what he wanted them to learn. he was very good at hiding what he did aswell. he burnt a lot the bodies and hid his camps away where it would be hard to find them. he had a lot of supporters, people were terrified of him and he used the jews like scapegoats as many people have mentioned

    theres nore but i think thatll do for now, u dun have to agree but its y i think it happened anyway.
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    (Original post by PadFoot90)
    shut the hell up. Comparing US acts to the germans? U have got to be joking me. That whole post is BS. Jews cut off oil supplies? Caused our own demise? That is the biggest piece of BS i have ever had the misfortune of reading.
    dude...read a book. You have not commented on anything he has said or contributed accordingly. He has every right to state what he thinks, and slating is not a way of getting your argument across...so if i were id either come up with something constructive to say or id shut the hell up...

    Thank you FOXNEWS (even though i think Fox news sucks. That was an informative and insightful post.
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    (Original post by ThornsnRoses)
    dude...read a book. You have not commented on anything he has said or contributed accordingly. He has every right to state what he thinks, and slating is not a way of getting your argument across...so if i were id either come up with something constructive to say or id shut the hell up...

    Thank you FOXNEWS (even though i think Fox news sucks. That was an informative and insightful post.
    it would be more so if he actually gave the sources of his information, otherwise it sounds more than slightly paranoid
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    (Original post by ThornsnRoses)
    dude...read a book. You have not commented on anything he has said or contributed accordingly. He has every right to state what he thinks, and slating is not a way of getting your argument across...so if i were id either come up with something constructive to say or id shut the hell up...

    Thank you FOXNEWS (even though i think Fox news sucks. That was an informative and insightful post.
    why should i believe him? all sorts of info without even giving a source. I also have every right to say what it think, and i think it was BS.

    (Original post by PadFoot90)
    Mel Gibson doesn't believe the holocaust happened, he believes people just "left", Where on earth did the 6 million people go with out anyone noticing? Dumbest opinion i have ever heard
    Mel Gibson is a stauch Roman Catholic. They all hate the jews. A RC priest I once knew used to make jokes about baptizing and then drowning jewish babies. And thats from a priest.
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    Out of interest, does anyone here believe the Holocaust didn't happen? Sorry if this has been answered, my computer won't load full pages... grr...

    I recently had the privilege of hearing a Holocaust survivor, Leon Greenman (do a Google...) speak. He also showed us some Christmas cards he had been sent from the BNP. He has also had death threats for telling people about the Holocaust.
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    I posted my opinions of what I have learned over the 8 years of my university studies. I dont run around the net looking for links to validate my opinions. Even if i did, you would say they were nazi sites or anti-semite or whatever so what is the point in posting web sites. Learn for yourself what history was, dont depend on jewish media to tell you the truth, you dont have to believe what i said either. It doesnt matter what jews or myself think, your own conclusions are the result of you wanting to learn the truths for yourself. But if you would like a good website to read, try http://www.themodernreligion.com/jihad/freedman.html it has some very interesting information.

    And whats with all the hostility dude? Are you afraid the truth is being gleaned out of the mess the jews made of it?
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    (Original post by dinkymints)
    Out of interest, does anyone here believe the Holocaust didn't happen? Sorry if this has been answered, my computer won't load full pages... grr...

    I recently had the privilege of hearing a Holocaust survivor, Leon Greenman (do a Google...) speak. He also showed us some Christmas cards he had been sent from the BNP. He has also had death threats for telling people about the Holocaust.

    Yes it happend, most definetely. Hitler pursuded a whole country to hating the jews by 1 reason, He was one of the greatest speakers of all time, not saying he was right, but just saying you got to admire that kind of pursuadion.

    i am 100% germain and i dont like the hanus remarks some of thiese threads contain.


    P.s riffraff, i admire your avatar
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    Hitler was a man that used his voice to captivate people. If you have the right voice, one with authority, you can make people beleive what you want.
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    I saw on "The History Channel" the other week a special about the last days of hitler, they said he used to have orgasms when he was speaking his speeches, i wonder how they come by that info. They cant find out how many people were actually killed by him but they "know" he had orgasms in his pants. YAWN.
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    (Original post by llama boy)
    Hitler's support was not related to his anti-Semitism. In fact, for the most part he tried to hide it from the German people.

    His support was based on an appeal to nationalistic and social prejudices at a time of economic hardship.
    That is partly true, America was going through the same economic problems as Germany (The Depression) but they didn't elect a Natzi. The Germans were jealous and suspicious of the Jews. Jews are very clever business people and pre Natzi occupation they were very powerful indeed. Hitler hated anyone that was not of pure "Arian blood" this included gypsies, homosexuals, Polish, handicapped people etc, these people were thought of as 2nd class citizens.

    I am very dubious whether the German People knew about the death camps or chose to ignore them. There are arguments that the Germans knew exactly what was going on and would inform on Jews in hiding, and would kill jews with enjoyment. How can you explain away 6 million people?
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    (Original post by Silus)
    Mel Gibson is a stauch Roman Catholic. They all hate the jews.
    No we don't. Have you spoken to all billion of us to ascertain if this is true then? Having read some of your previous posts, I'm quite surprised you're being critical of those who supposedly hate a different race/religion. So sad how negative stereotyping of one group gives rise to that of another.
    And no he isn't. He is a member of a splinter sect.
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    (Original post by lala)
    No we don't. Have you spoken to all billion of us to ascertain if this is true then? Having read some of your previous posts, I'm quite surprised you're being critical of those who supposedly hate a different race/religion. So sad how negative stereotyping of one group gives rise to that of another.
    And no he isn't. He is a member of a splinter sect.
    he's a "born again" christian is he not?
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    That's nice, use opinions from someone who's famous...

    Mel Gibson is one person, he does not represent anyone other than himself.
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    Hitler didnt convince every1 he was right...but those who thought they were smart joined him in the hope to get on his good side when he took over...thank god he didnt.....
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    (Original post by FoxNewsRocks)
    A history lesson from an American.

    The jews built up Germany in exactly the same way(as current America & UK for that matter) in the 1930s only to have it come crashing down, and that was of their(jews) own doing also. Jews shut down every institution and business in germany in the late 1930s. They closed down the seaports and cutoff all the oil lines coming into germany. The jews owned just about everything back then also, so when they decided to screw over the German govt, they miscalculated their decision in their zeal to hurt the govt. and had it backfire on them. After the govt of germany took actions against this jewish rebellion, hitler then comitted a blunder by trying to go too far in retaliation by putting the jews into CONCENTRATION CAMPS just like America did japanese and germans during early WW2. Had he just took care of his business and not had the whole of europe on his mind, he would have been successful. ( i`m no hitler fan, he was a monster by all means but no proof of gassings has ever been proven.) They(jews) will never in a million years admit that they caused their own demise, but historical facts bare it out that they did in fact cause it. American/UK jews were the ones that cut off oil shipments to Japan, resulting in the attack on pearl harbor. Everything i`m telling you is historical fact if you are willing to seek out the information. If you depend on the "elite" media to ever tell you what really happened, it wont ever happen. Remember they are protecting their own backs by keeping most facts hidden, thats where they have and have gotten their power, the power to tell you what they want you to know, or to hide what they dont want you to know. That is the most powerful tool to control is the media, with that media control comes political control.

    If laws were ever passed in the USA forbidding discussing historical facts like they have done to you in the UK/Australia and other euro countries, there would be revolution in the streets. What has happened to you UK`ers? Have you wimped out? If you are not willing to standup for your rights, then you deserve none.
    This is complete and utter nonsense. This sort of "blaming the jews" theories is typical of new-nazis today. No, I am not calling you an anti-semite because I dont agree with you. I am calling you an anti-semite because you have assumed the Jews of being behind a conspiracy like cooperation which has severely hurt Europe and America. This is utter nonsense and claiming so without eaven a fragment of solid evidence to back it up IS anti-semitism. You were ralso claiming that no gassings has been proven. This is also complete rubbish. Thousands of documents seized during the war confirm them. The on-site still existant gas chambers confirm them. The enourmous number of vitnesses has confirmed them. The records of production of zyklon-B together with the removal of their warning irritant confirm them. The amount of human ash found close to several concentration camps (Close to aushwitz rivers has even changed direction due to them) confirms it. The only way you could possibly explain how all this evidence would be fake would be if the entire world was infiltrated and controlled as to cause us to beleive this was the case (One could wonder what need a Jewish conspiration would have to launch such a lie if they indeed did controll all the media and giovernments around Europe and America). The idea that the entire world, all its media and libraries in countries which even are greatly anti-Israeli in attitude (Take the greek media as an example) should be controlled by a jewish conspiracy is nothing but silly. This assumption, that the World is controlled by a small majority of Jews is the fundamental idea on which all the holocoust-denial theories are based. If you claim that all evidence which confirm that the holocoust did indeed happen is fake then you can just as well beleive that the earth is flat as a pancake, cus the magnitude of the conspiracy would have to be about as large.
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    (Original post by Jonatan)
    This is complete and utter nonsense. This sort of "blaming the jews" theories is typical of new-nazis today. No, I am not calling you an anti-semite because I dont agree with you. I am calling you an anti-semite because you have assumed the Jews of being behind a conspiracy like cooperation which has severely hurt Europe and America. This is utter nonsense and claiming so without eaven a fragment of solid evidence to back it up IS anti-semitism. You were ralso claiming that no gassings has been proven. This is also complete rubbish. Thousands of documents seized during the war confirm them. The on-site still existant gas chambers confirm them. The enourmous number of vitnesses has confirmed them. The records of production of zyklon-B together with the removal of their warning irritant confirm them. The amount of human ash found close to several concentration camps (Close to aushwitz rivers has even changed direction due to them) confirms it. The only way you could possibly explain how all this evidence would be fake would be if the entire world was infiltrated and controlled as to cause us to beleive this was the case (One could wonder what need a Jewish conspiration would have to launch such a lie if they indeed did controll all the media and giovernments around Europe and America). The idea that the entire world, all its media and libraries in countries which even are greatly anti-Israeli in attitude (Take the greek media as an example) should be controlled by a jewish conspiracy is nothing but silly. This assumption, that the World is controlled by a small majority of Jews is the fundamental idea on which all the holocoust-denial theories are based. If you claim that all evidence which confirm that the holocoust did indeed happen is fake then you can just as well beleive that the earth is flat as a pancake, cus the magnitude of the conspiracy would have to be about as large.
    i agree 100% with what you said. I had the same view, then someone replied with a "dude read a book" type thing
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    (Original post by lala)
    No we don't. Have you spoken to all billion of us to ascertain if this is true then? Having read some of your previous posts, I'm quite surprised you're being critical of those who supposedly hate a different race/religion. So sad how negative stereotyping of one group gives rise to that of another.
    And no he isn't. He is a member of a splinter sect.
    Lala, I agree with you that it was an unjustified statement to assert that all catolics hate the Jews, however I hold to it that Gibsons movie does portray some antisemitic ideas. My main problem with the film however, is that it is a long pointless violence-pornografi which totally misses out on the message of peace and love that Jesus wanted to bring forward. I strongly suspect that if Christ had seen the movie he would have turned to God and said "Forgive him, cus he has no idea what he is doing".
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    (Original post by Little Britain)
    I am very dubious whether the German People knew about the death camps or chose to ignore them. There are arguments that the Germans knew exactly what was going on and would inform on Jews in hiding, and would kill jews with enjoyment. How can you explain away 6 million people?
    I think they knew something was going on, but not many details. Some people swallowed the propaganda, others realised the jews were probably killed. It was nto until teh latter stages in the war people realised to what extent this was being done however, and it was not many who knew about the gassings until Hitler had seized enough power to surpress any rebellion. There as a resistance movement which discussed how they could assasinate hitler, but they did not know the importance of it until it was to late.
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    (Original post by horrorboy)
    i cant get my head round it. surely german ppl cud see that killing jews was wrong and some1 cud have stopped him :confused:
    How did hitler mange to demonise jews? the same way we make refugees out to be in this country. The tabloids are constantly making us believe that they are a threat and the cause of many problems in this country. The only way to stop it is to write to newspapers and get them to stop making it seem as they are the root of all trouble.

    For example in the cursed Daily Mail, they wrote an article which compared the refugees coming into this country to the Crusades in Jerusalem. Totally insane. This constant demonisation gets us to believe (if we let it) that they are right and follow the path of Hitler ...... comparable to the BNP in the way they focus the problems of the UK onto refugees.
 
 
 
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