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    this is actually turning into a pretty good debate, despite the fact that it seems impossible to debate it.
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    (Original post by PadFoot90)
    that is absolutly disgusting.
    didnt happen much. what was more common was stuffing mattresses etc. with human hair
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    (Original post by PadFoot90)
    that is absolutly disgusting.
    An example of man's inhumanity to man.
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    (Original post by PadFoot90)
    this is actually turning into a pretty good debate, despite the fact that it seems impossible to debate it.
    lol thanks to whoever tried to rep me for this post... it was gray though
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    (Original post by PadFoot90)
    lol thanks to whoever tried to rep me for this post... it was gray though
    must have been a noob- or someone with a very low rep count
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    (Original post by riffraff)
    didnt happen much. what was more common was stuffing mattresses etc. with human hair
    Does anyone know if these were actually sold on the market or if it was just another of the Nazi ideas which was never particularely successful ?
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    Jonatan are you mentally ill or do you just fall for anything someone says about the "poor jews"?
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    (Original post by FoxNewsRocks)
    Jonatan are you mentally ill or do you just fall for anything someone says about the "poor jews"?
    At least he knows what he's talking about, obviously more then you do.
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    (Original post by FoxNewsRocks)
    Jonatan are you mentally ill or do you just fall for anything someone says about the "poor jews"?
    I beleive what I find most resonable presented the arguments for and against. Your "arguments" (I put it in quotation becouse it is quite questionable whether you can considder outright claims with no evidence or argumentative backing an argument) are not very convincing nor reasonable.
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    (Original post by FoxNewsRocks)
    Jonatan are you mentally ill or do you just fall for anything someone says about the "poor jews"?
    If you cannot 'debate' without insulting the other party(ies) involved then you won't really get anyone listening to what you are saying. Not that it is worth listening to, you can quote books and websites all day long doesn't mean the opinions on them are even factually accurate. Racists can write books afterall.
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    jonatan your view is that no one should have the ability to question anything israel or jews do, how can you keep a straight face and believe that? I saw you post a msg somewhere along the lines of "even the politicians are saying lets not confuse critisism of israel with anti-semitism". So its your belief that no one can say anything about israel or jews in general? How do you come about to believe something like that if it is in fact true? No one and i mean NO ONE is above critism. What do you expect from the rest of the world?

    To blindly allow israel and jewish orgs to do as they please and for no one to say a word? Isnt that called communism? or maybe socialism? The one fear israel and all jews have is that the world will finally wake up to whats going on and put a stop to it. It literally amazes me they have gotten away with what they have already. Believe me theres a lot of people "out here" that "knows" just like i do, they may not have kahunas to speak up, but they are out there. You also tend to call people names like the obligatory anti-semite and the rest of those names, you even called one person idiot in this thread.

    If you want to EVER be taken seriously, you have to learn to debate your side and not "tell" people what they are supposed to believe, IE rivers changing direction from ashes, that is pure fiction my man. Name calling just proves the point that a lot of people have about jews in general to begin with. Even the big shot jews do the same things when somone doesnt mold their beliefs to the jewish way of thinking. Its called smear tactics. I suggest you go read some books written by your beloved jewish brothers because most facts i have pointed out are written by jews. If you dont wish to read to learn, you can order tapes of their books and speeches. I`m not denying any holocaust and i`m not saying it was ok, all i`m saying is the facts are out there if you want to know them. Consult an almanac and note that there were a little less than 5 million jews west of the soviet union. So if "6 million" died, then did they import some during the war? The jews claimed "6 million" were killed in WW1 also, so that means there were 2 holocausts? Do you deny that the term "6 million" is spoken of in the Torah? Isnt that very very ironic?

    You really wanna know what gets to people is how the whole holocaust thing is crammed down people throats. Really, if jews wanna hold it as a holy period thats fine. But why use non-jewish taxpayer monies to build memorials? Why cant you fund your own memorials? jews can send millions to israel but they have to use taxpayer money to build their "memorial" because they want it to be a "government" thing. Wheres the memorials to the 40 million christians and others that died at the commands of bolshevik jews in the Soviet Union? Or where are the memorials to the 18 million blacks that jews killed shipping them to various countries? Where are the memorials to the 50 million Native American Indians that both jews and christians killed off? Why do jews build memorials everywhere but israel? Yes israel has a memorial but why does every nations capital have one? Why not one for every race that been victimized over the last few 100 years? Every race has had bad times at one point or another, what makes jews special? you cant say it was just because they were perecuted for being jews, because the soviet christians and the american idians were done the exact same way. Actually the american indians were shot on sight or infected with diseases or tortured to death just for being indians. They were nearly totally wiped off the planet for real, but no one cares. Only jews that die are qualified to get sympathy.

    Its all about white christian guilt and a constant money flow to israel.
    The "day of atonement" for jews makes it so they can perpetuate the lies and exaggerations and not be held morally or religiously responsible. Its a religious day that allows you make a vow that says "anything you lie about in the next 12 months has no consequences". Legal lies and falsifications in other words. The jewish faith is full of these type rules.
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    [QUOTE=FoxNewsRocks]jonatan your view is that no one should have the ability to question anything israel or jews do, how can you keep a straight face and believe that? I saw you post a msg somewhere along the lines of "even the politicians are saying lets not confuse critisism of israel with anti-semitism". So its your belief that no one can say anything about israel or jews in general? How do you come about to believe something like that if it is in fact true? No one and i mean NO ONE is above critism. What do you expect from the rest of the world?

    To blindly allow israel and jewish orgs to do as they please and for no one to say a word? Isnt that called communism? or maybe socialism? The one fear israel and all jews have is that the world will finally wake up to whats going on and put a stop to it. It literally amazes me they have gotten away with what they have already. Believe me theres a lot of people "out here" that "knows" just like i do, they may not have kahunas to speak up, but they are out there. You also tend to call people names like the obligatory anti-semite and the rest of those names, you even called one person idiot in this thread.

    If you want to EVER be taken seriously, you have to learn to debate your side and not "tell" people what they are supposed to believe, IE rivers changing direction from ashes, that is pure fiction my man. Name calling just proves the point that a lot of people have about jews in general to begin with. Even the big shot jews do the same things when somone doesnt mold their beliefs to the jewish way of thinking. Its called smear tactics. I suggest you go read some books written by your beloved jewish brothers because most facts i have pointed out are written by jews. If you dont wish to read to learn, you can order tapes of their books and speeches. I`m not denying any holocaust and i`m not saying it was ok, all i`m saying is the facts are out there if you want to know them. Consult an almanac and note that there were a little less than 5 million jews west of the soviet union. So if "6 million" died, then did they import some during the war? The jews claimed "6 million" were killed in WW1 also, so that means there were 2 holocausts? Do you deny that the term "6 million" is spoken of in the Torah? Isnt that very very ironic?

    You really wanna know what gets to people is how the whole holocaust thing is crammed down people throats. Really, if jews wanna hold it as a holy period thats fine. But why use non-jewish taxpayer monies to build memorials? Why cant you fund your own memorials? jews can send millions to israel but they have to use taxpayer money to build their "memorial" because they want it to be a "government" thing. Wheres the memorials to the 40 million christians and others that died at the commands of bolshevik jews in the Soviet Union? Or where are the memorials to the 18 million blacks that jews killed shipping them to various countries? Where are the memorials to the 50 million Native American Indians that both jews and christians killed off? Why do jews build memorials everywhere but israel? Yes israel has a memorial but why does every nations capital have one? Why not one for every race that been victimized over the last few 100 years? Every race has had bad times at one point or another, what makes jews special? you cant say it was just because they were perecuted for being jews, because the soviet christians and the american idians were done the exact same way. Actually the american indians were shot on sight or infected with diseases or tortured to death just for being indians. They were nearly totally wiped off the planet for real, but no one cares. Only jews that die are qualified to get sympathy.

    Its all about white christian guilt and a constant money flow to israel.
    The "day of atonement" for jews makes it so they can perpetuate the lies and exaggerations and not be held morally or religiously responsible. Its a religious day that allows you make a vow that says "anything you lie about in the next 12 months has no consequences". Legal lies and falsifications in other words. The jewish faith is full of these type rules.[/QUO

    YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH ABOUT MY RELIGION. Read a freaking book. I am so sick of your anti-semitism.
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    The irony of this whole thread is disguting fox telling jonatan to learn how to debate? You have got to be kidding. He is kicking your arse in this debate, no question. Sad to call it a debate with your arguments consiting of "Six million has been said a lot so the amount of people killed must be a lie" :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by PadFoot90)
    The irony of this whole thread is disguting fox telling jonatan to learn how to debate? You have got to be kidding. He is kicking your arse in this debate, no question. Sad to call it a debate with your arguments consiting of "Six million has been said a lot so the amount of people killed must be a lie" :rolleyes:
    you think so?
    I dont, but then again thats the point of a debate isnt it.

    YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH ABOUT MY RELIGION. Read a freaking book. I am so sick of your anti-semitism.
    What have i said about your religion that isnt true? And i do read books, thats why i know whats really going on. Eww, there goes that name calling again. Must be genetic? Face it, you want to run everything and not have anyone say a word about it, thats the key to the whole issue.

    Whats more interesting is the debate going on here in DC, where i work, from people reading these forums. Get jonatan to make up some more stuff!
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    (Original post by FoxNewsRocks)
    you think so?
    I dont, but then again thats the point of a debate isnt it.



    What have i said about your religion that isnt true? And i do read books, thats why i know whats really going on. Eww, there goes that name calling again. Must be genetic? Face it, you want to run everything and not have anyone say a word about it, thats the key to the whole issue.

    Whats more interesting is the debate going on here in DC, where i work, from people reading these forums. Get jonatan to make up some more stuff!
    try the whole last paragraph of your rant. I think you are confused as too who is making things up.
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    [QUOTE=PadFoot90]
    (Original post by FoxNewsRocks)
    jonatan your view is that no one should have the ability to question anything israel or jews do, how can you keep a straight face and believe that? I saw you post a msg somewhere along the lines of "even the politicians are saying lets not confuse critisism of israel with anti-semitism". So its your belief that no one can say anything about israel or jews in general? How do you come about to believe something like that if it is in fact true? No one and i mean NO ONE is above critism. What do you expect from the rest of the world?
    These are your words not mine. I am saying that it is Ok ewith legitimate criticism of Israel, but scandinavian politicians has ahd a tendency to dismiss all anti-semitism as criticism towards Israel. You are the one who claim that counterarguments to your rediculous nonsense should somehow be the same as saying that you are not allowed to debate. You are claiming that I try to prohibit you from debating, whereas in fact you are the one who is dismissing all generally accepted facts as either conspiracies, lies or exhagurations. The documents confirming the history still exists, people who have seen what has happened are still alive. Yet you ask of us to dismiss these primary sources in favour of a hypothesis without any evidence to back it up. This would be like assuming that the earth is a cube and dismiss all evidence sugesting it is round. You are allowed to think whatever you want, but that doesnt mean we are not allowed to correct your rediculous nonsense when you post it here.
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    This post is long and strays abit off topic but i had a train of thought and a break from work and tried to be as brief as i could. And i do not expect you or anyone else to approve anything i say or have ever said, its called a debate for a reason. If we all had the same opinions we wouldnt need to preach to the choir.

    (Original post by Jonatan)
    These are your words not mine. I am saying that it is Ok ewith legitimate criticism of Israel, but scandinavian politicians has ahd a tendency to dismiss all anti-semitism as criticism towards Israel. You are the one who claim that counterarguments to your rediculous nonsense should somehow be the same as saying that you are not allowed to debate. You are claiming that I try to prohibit you from debating, whereas in fact you are the one who is dismissing all generally accepted facts as either conspiracies, lies or exhagurations. The documents confirming the history still exists, people who have seen what has happened are still alive. Yet you ask of us to dismiss these primary sources in favour of a hypothesis without any evidence to back it up. This would be like assuming that the earth is a cube and dismiss all evidence sugesting it is round. You are allowed to think whatever you want, but that doesnt mean we are not allowed to correct your rediculous nonsense when you post it here.
    I do not wish to change your minds and i do not wish to suppress anyones thoughts on any subject. I was just speaking a piece in this debate and giving my opinions. I dont care if you believe what i say or not, but if you read what i type and then i read what you type, then we are making progress. Sure we may often say something stupid or whatever, but thats what debating is all about. You wont see me press a blantant lie into the debate though. At least i make an effort to break down this wall being built around humanity. Maybe if everyone in the world had freedom to TALK, there would be a lot less fighting.

    It is obvious that some people in this world do not accept certain things that have happened in the recent past, and i dont just mean WW2, i mean to include recent events such as 9/11. If you trust your govt, and it doesnt matter which country it is, to tell you the truth, then you are a lemming and i do not mean that in a mean-spirited fashion. A lemming is someone who believes anything told to them at face value with no evidence to support nor deny the action being told them. A recent example is this war in iraq. If you honestly believe we went to war because "saddam was a threat to the US and the world" then you are a lemming. If on the other hand you think we went to war with iraq because of oil, then you are a lemming. If you think the anthrax mail was sent out by some wacko muslim extremist, then you are a lemming. It doesnt always have to be some historical facts to make a lemming either. If you think racial diversity is a good thing, then you are a lemming.

    But back to the WW2 stuff, did you know the jews had planned to kill '6 million' germans right after WW2? Once again i`ll show you the JEWISH source of the information, http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-...playstory.html .

    Someone above said i use anti-jew sources for my information. If that implied white supremecist sites then you are mistaken. Most of the books i read are written by jews and even online resources are jewish because i have found in debates whether they be on the internet or live in person, someone always makes the 'white supremecist' claim. Doesnt the fact that jews who make telling the truth the right thing to do, become known as "self-hating jews". There sure are a lot of "self-hating jews" in the world if thats true. I think it just proves that no ones opinion matters to the jewish elites, you know, the ones that are perpatrating the lies.

    If Ariel Sharon were to come out tomorrow and say something the elites didnt like they`d be all over him in a split second too. It doesnt matter who you are. The important thing is to keep the secrets hidden, forbid debate on them, imprison questioners, and keep the lemmings eyes and minds on the prize. Once the eyes and minds are wide open to truth, the house of cards falls down. And this isnt just about holocaust events, its about every day events of everyone in the world.

    The US/British govt is so deep in being caught in lies and deception right now, i wouldnt blame every other country for leaving iraq. Its obvious lies were told and lies are going to be told to cover most of it up again. If the govts of our two countries really 'thought' what they said was true, dont you think someone would have gotten the ax for extremely poor job performances by now? We just keep repeating the same mistakes over and over and over because *we can and no lemming ever asks questions about for fear of being labelled a racist, unpatriotic or whatever. (*we meaning the powerful govts that are left in the western world).

    Which brings us back to the holocaust. Making freedom of speech a crime because one group of people find it offensive is not only wrong, its disgraceful. It spits in the face of freedom. The irony of it is, the other side(the ones who made the laws) is allowed to repeatedly tell their tales, make movies, give speeches, write books, make tv shows, that contain dubious facts meant to do nothing but further the lemmingness of the populations. Talking about history does not endanger anyone. Look at America and the debates we have with blacks on slavery. We have heated debates but no one goes out and lynches blacks afterwards. The people of the many countries who have outlawed free speech have told you that talk causes hate. Thats not true my friends. Stopping the people from talking causes hate. Think about it, if you cant say what you think, then the next option is to go out and do something stupid because you have no other outlet. And its happening, look at France. Look at Malaysia. Soon we`ll be saying 'look at Britain, look at Australia' because no matter how much you WANT to supress speech, it only enrages the suppressed people inside. Just the simple fact of the black/white issue in the US proves that talk hurts no one. I`d venture to say the "hate" between the two races here is about as bad as it can get without violence, but you know what keeps that violence from happening? We debate, we talk, we argue. Thats the only way to get passed issues without violence. If europe hasnt figured this out yet, please dont cry to us in the US when the backlash from your communistic laws results in pure chaos. It will do it eventually.

    To Dajoruna,
    i asked a question and didnt call him a name on purpose, but if it appeared that way then i apologize. But the word jew is not meant to be derogatory, its what jews are. What word can one use for a jew other than jew? Give me one and i`ll use it if its sensible. You`ll note that this is twice i have offered apologies when i really had no malice in what i said, but i do not see you crying to the jewish guys and jonatan about calling people names, and i do not see any remorse on their part or yours for being so arrogant.
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    (Original post by FoxNewsRocks)
    But back to the WW2 stuff, did you know the jews had planned to kill '6 million' germans right after WW2? Once again i`ll show you the JEWISH source of the information, http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-...playstory.html .
    THE Jews? All of them? Once again you are grouping Jews together as one single collectively thinking organism. One person claims that an Israeli president supported a Jewish extremist organisation and suddenly teh Jews collectively planned to kill 6 million Germans? Hitler used a murder performed by one single Jew as an excuse for removing their civil rights. Surely, if you are allowed to generalise like this, then you could attribute almost whatever crime to an entire population. Does the christians murder doctors because they allow abortion, or are there some extremeists and fanatics? Does the muslims use every chance they can to murder innocent civilians or are these the actions of some extremist organisations like al-Qaida or Hamas? Does the British rape small girls and kill them afterwards or was this the actions of one sick man who is nto representative for Britain in general? You keep taking individual incidents and taking them to be the actions of Jews in general, this surely does indicate something which I am apparently not allowed to say here beacuse you will then accuse me of trying to turn Britain into a totalitarian dictatorship without freedom of speach.
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    Well when President Bush or Prime Minister Blair do something, its always the americans and the british people doing it in everyone elses eyes. Get a grip my man!
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    (Original post by FoxNewsRocks)
    Well when President Bush or Prime Minister Blair do something, its always the americans and the british people doing it in everyone elses eyes. Get a grip my man!
    aww bless, you still won't give up.
 
 
 
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