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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    Most of the world sees the UK as part of the EU
    Erm...and? How is this relevant to anything?
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    (Original post by TicketyBox)
    You must be reading a different post to the one I wrote. I never said anything about immigration always being good.
    I didn't say 'homosexual values' needed to be instilled in anybody, just that the party are obviously homophobic. As a homosexual, it's pretty important to me to have a Government which is tolerant of that. God forbid any of the electorate want their rights protected.

    I didn't say the rich are evil and should be punished with taxes. :confused: I simply said that tax evasion costed a hundred times more to the UK than benefit fraud. I'm no expert on economics so I'm not for or against higher taxes on the rich because I know next to nothing about it.

    The poor aren't noble, they're just people. Just because I said they should not be demonised does not mean I think the poor are beacons for all good in the world. It worries me that you think that the poor deserved to be picked on and demonised by the tabloids when in reality, most of those in receipt of benefits are actually in low-paid work. That's another one of those illusive facts.

    And why do you think that we cannot have a functioning society as well as equality and tolerance? Is equality and tolerance ruining our economy in your opinion?
    My point is that progressivism has got to such a point that unless you support the incorporation of homosexuality into white religion (Christianity) and only Christianity, then you are labelled some kind of homophobic, and unless you believe in free borders then you are called some kind of racist or xenophobic. It's just ridiculous, the nonsense that comes from so many people and it needs to be countered, openly and publicly.

    How can white European people have been so resilient to built several empires but they are now controlled by a few labels; racist, sexist, homophobic etc. Its pathetic. You see big tattooed blokes who work out at the gym buckled under the thumb by these words.

    This argument that rich just evasion costs more than benefits is just pathetic and leftist. Lets say for example you work in an open plan office in a building with 3 floors and for arguments sake people earn 30k to 100k. These are all PAYE people
    and the tax is dedicated at source. Perhaps every fourth firm has a couple of directors with yachts and some offshore bank account but they would be sweating anyway as all the offshore accounts are being investigated. Now in the same town lets say there are people on welfare cheques who have kids, get social flats and are happy to just live like that. Is this social problem OK because the odd Director might have a Swiss bank account? Red nonsense to justify a disfunctional society through some equality argument.

    There is nothing wrong with equality and tolerance in principle. But when the terms have been hijacked by progressives to justify more mass immigration changing the nature and scale of the country, a welfare culture, pushing the ideas that if you don't accept a march of change through all organisations you are some kind of psychopath. The question is where are these changes getting us. I think lower and lower into the abyss and further and further from reality. The western world is at collapse point and no one seems to notice or care. The masses have been driven beyond sanity to be concentrating on gay marriage when the western world is at collapse point. And what have we done? Created a false reality and accuse anyone who talks about the actual reality. Just watch the accusations that follow this post.





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    (Original post by STBUR)
    Heh. It is much worse to go around calling people racist. Pot kettle black...
    I never called anybody racist.

    (Original post by Steevee)
    The child like niavety shows you're not old enough to vote
    In which bit exactly of what I said shows that I am naive?
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    I think UKIP is a decent enough party, and the only real right wing offering out there. If we had proportional representation I'd definitely vote for them.
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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    If their dream comes true then the UK will be isolationist and have no influence in the world.

    UKIP stands for UK Isolationist party
    We already have a high degree of influence in the world. The key argument is do we keep our influence or give it away to some other body called the EU that isn't really deomcratically elected.
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    The Eastleigh by-election merely epitomises UKIP's method on gaining votes; present vague policies, and sprinkle it with some xenophobia. I believe those who voted UKIP in Eastleigh (a predominantly white constituency) bought into the premise that ''all those foreigners are coming in and stealing our jobs.." and were scared into voting.
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    (Original post by TheHairyArmenian)
    The Eastleigh by-election merely epitomises UKIP's method on gaining votes; present vague policies, and sprinkle it with some xenophobia. I believe those who voted UKIP in Eastleigh (a predominantly white constituency) bought into the premise that ''all those foreigners are coming in and stealing our jobs.." and were scared into voting.
    What's with all the anti ''all those foreigners are coming in and stealing our jobs.." Rhetoric? Why would it be irrational for people to say that?


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    (Original post by bestboy)
    I think UKIP is a decent enough party, and the only real right wing offering out there. If we had proportional representation I'd definitely vote for them.
    If everyone says they would only vote for an alternative to LibLabCon if we had PR, then we will be stuck with the LibLabCon for ever. God help us.


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    (Original post by jtyne)
    What's with all the anti ''all those foreigners are coming in and stealing our jobs.." Rhetoric? Why would it be irrational for people to say that?


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    So what's your response to my point that UKIP presented some rather vague policies? Look I admire Farage as a politician; he's ridiculously good at installing fear into voters' minds. As for UKIP.. Vote for them if you want the UK to be completely isolated.
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    (Original post by Cheestring)
    They will win and Nigel will become our next Prime Minister, thank goodness.
    He might struggle to form a cabinet, it's only him plus about half a dozen other people and they are already MEPs. He's also had quite a few defections of late, including Marta Andreason, which was fairly disastrous for him, as she was a flagship supporter - she condemned him for being impossible to work with and a sexist pig.
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    (Original post by jtyne)
    If everyone says they would only vote for an alternative to LibLabCon if we had PR, then we will be stuck with the LibLabCon for ever. God help us.


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    'God help us.' Yes because UKIP is the answer to all our problems. They are going to provide economic stability by tearing up all European trade agreements along with environmental regulation to isolate the UK even more. I cannot believe how many young people have been bought by UKIP!
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    They will not win a seat at the next General Election.
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    (Original post by TheHairyArmenian)
    'God help us.' Yes because UKIP is the answer to all our problems. They are going to provide economic stability by tearing up all European trade agreements along with environmental regulation to isolate the UK even more. I cannot believe how many young people have been bought by UKIP!
    The guy you're talking to is actually a BNP supporting white nationalist who thinks immigration is a Jewish plot to cause white genocide. He's made over 50 accounts here, and he always starts off soft before getting progressively more crazy.

    It would be funny if it wasn't extremely alarming.
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    (Original post by Redolent)
    The guy you're talking to is actually a BNP supporting white nationalist who thinks immigration is a Jewish plot to cause white genocide. He's made over 50 accounts here, and he always starts off soft before getting progressively more crazy.

    It would be funny if it wasn't extremely alarming.
    I'm sure you're some red socialist or communist. Man of the workers. But have you ever done a hard days work in your life?

    And that doesn't include reading a book and typing up your views on it.


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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    We already have a high degree of influence in the world. The key argument is do we keep our influence or give it away to some other body called the EU that isn't really deomcratically elected.
    If we do not have a seat in the various EU Institutions, how can we reform it?
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    (Original post by TheHairyArmenian)
    'God help us.' Yes because UKIP is the answer to all our problems. They are going to provide economic stability by tearing up all European trade agreements along with environmental regulation to isolate the UK even more. I cannot believe how many young people have been bought by UKIP!
    They seem to have someone whose job it is to check out the Mail, Sun and Express every morning, look to see what random extreme headbanger neo-Nazi cause they are pushing today and then stick that on the Ukip website as official Ukip policy. It probably involves a quick call to consult with Farage, assuming he's not too pissed to take the call.
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    (Original post by jtyne)
    I'm sure you're some red socialist or communist. Man of the workers. But have you ever done a hard days work in your life?

    And that doesn't include reading a book and typing up your views on it.


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    Yes, plenty. I'm also not a socialist or a communist.

    Anyway you didn't make any attempt to deny what I said so my work is done here.
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    (Original post by Redolent)
    Yes, plenty. I'm also not a socialist or a communist.

    Anyway you didn't make any attempt to deny what I said so my work is done here.
    Thanks for your stereotypical profiling. Deny what? What you Probably believe is objectively untrue. Are you trying to deny the Jewish involvement in western academia with regards to promoting mass-immigration and multiculturalism. The evidence for this is staggering, try "The Culture of Critique" by Kevin Macdonald, California State University Professor. You are simply in denial because your God, common belief and the mass media has put you in denial of true facts.

    Red snake oil salesman



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    (Original post by Redolent)
    I'm not a socialist. I've literally had to state this three times in the last two days because you guys love your strawman arguments so much.

    They are socially authoritarian as evidenced by their lack of support for changing the gay marriage law and their attitudes towards things like capital punishment. They want to double the prison population. I don't think I've heard an awful lot of talk coming from them about the need to legalise drugs either.

    UKIP supports civil partnerships which as we know give gay couples the same rights in law that marriages give to hetrosexual couples.

    UKIP would grant a referendum on any issue that had the support of 5% of the people, locally or nationally.

    Doubling the prison population, when crime levels are as they are, is a very good thing. At least until someone comes up with a method of reducing crime so that the rest of us can go about our business in peace.

    The need to legalise drugs is something that does need to be looked into, I agree. Nigel Farage also agrees, but it's not UKIP policy yet, and may never be because the party's members disagree.

    I think UKIP has the balance between authoritarianism and libertarianism about right. There has to be a balance, doesn't there? No party can be completely one way or the other. And I profoundly disagree with the DP.
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    (Original post by jtyne)
    What's with all the anti ''all those foreigners are coming in and stealing our jobs.." Rhetoric? Why would it be irrational for people to say that?


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    For the same reason it would be irrational for Mancunians to complain about Scotsmen 'stealing their jobs'.
 
 
 
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