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    (Original post by Three Mile Sprint)
    Of course they don't , though many do.

    And this upsets the people who are upset by such things.
    You can legislate against this though. E.g.:

    *Prohibition of non-British garments/attire in public and in workplaces.
    *Prohibition of non-British cuisine being consumed in public.
    *Prohibition of business/legal contracts being drafted in languages apart from English.
    *Prohibition of non-British origin/non-English language entertainment being broadcasted in public.
    *Prohibition of non-British origin sports being played in public.


    For some reason the voting population has not shown very much appetite for the above restrictions though.
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    (Original post by effofex)
    You can legislate against this though. E.g.:

    *Prohibition of non-British garments/attire in public and in workplaces.
    *Prohibition of non-British cuisine being consumed in public.
    *Prohibition of business/legal contracts being drafted in languages apart from English.
    *Prohibition of non-British origin/non-English language entertainment being broadcasted in public.
    *Prohibition of non-British origin sports being played in public.

    For some reason the voting population has not shown very much appetite for the above restrictions though.
    That's because Democracy is a poor system for actually getting anything the people want done.

    Besides the average British citizen is to lazy to do anything, much easier to complain and mutter racist remarks.
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    Immigrants are hated in this country because they are used as a scapegoat to defend the unemployed youth.

    Look, at the end of the day, im all for immigration. Romanians, Bulgarians whatever; they come to this country to work. However, in this case, I think it's time we said "We are full for the time being." We need to focus more on the unemployed youths.

    And let me start addressing the attitude of some of these youths. "Im too good for that job. Im not doing that." It's something I've heard all too often. The immigrants wouldn't turn those jobs away which is why businesses love them.

    Bottom line, start addressing the unemployment and laziness of the youths. Close our doors for the time being.
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    (Original post by Three Mile Sprint)
    That's because Democracy is a poor system for actually getting anything the people want done.

    Besides the average British citizen is to lazy to do anything, much easier to complain and mutter racist remarks.
    Well, if they don't bother putting a plan of action in place then they aren't really in much of a position to oppose global free movement of labour and capital.
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    (Original post by uktotalgamer)
    Immigrants are hated in this country because they are used as a scapegoat to defend the unemployed youth.

    Look, at the end of the day, im all for immigration. Romanians, Bulgarians whatever; they come to this country to work. However, in this case, I think it's time we said "We are full for the time being." We need to focus more on the unemployed youths.

    And let me start addressing the attitude of some of these youths. "Im too good for that job. Im not doing that." It's something I've heard all too often. The immigrants wouldn't turn those jobs away which is why businesses love them.

    Bottom line, start addressing the unemployment and laziness of the youths. Close our doors for the time being.
    What are the 'unemployed youth' actually going to do to us, or the government for that matter?

    Their propensity towards voting is often much lower than other age demographics and most are simply not as mobile as migrant men are.
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    (Original post by effofex)
    You can legislate against this though. E.g.:

    *Prohibition of non-British garments/attire in public and in workplaces.
    *Prohibition of non-British cuisine being consumed in public.
    *Prohibition of business/legal contracts being drafted in languages apart from English.
    *Prohibition of non-British origin/non-English language entertainment being broadcasted in public.
    *Prohibition of non-British origin sports being played in public.


    For some reason the voting population has not shown very much appetite for the above restrictions though.
    Are you being serious? :confused: Maybe we haven't shown much appetite for it because we enjoy freedom of expression...
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    (Original post by effofex)
    Well, if they don't bother putting a plan of action in place then they aren't really in much of a position to oppose global free movement of labour and capital.
    Yes but these are citizens...you know..common people, by and large completely ignorant and uneducated on how politics, economics and almost anything of import actually takes place.
    Can we really expect an educated plan of action to tackle complex immigration issues from people who's main concern is paying next months rent and keeping the other half content?
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    (Original post by Three Mile Sprint)
    Besides the average British citizen is to lazy to do anything, much easier to complain and mutter racist remarks.
    um...
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    (Original post by thesabbath)
    um...
    Yes?
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    You're muttering prejudicial remarks against Britons whilst subtly implying that they themselves are racist for objecting to having multicultural society imposed on their nation.
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    (Original post by Three Mile Sprint)
    Yes but these are citizens...you know..common people, by and large completely ignorant and uneducated on how politics, economics and almost anything of import actually takes place.
    Can we really expect an educated plan of action to tackle complex immigration issues from people who's main concern is paying next months rent and keeping the other half content?
    You can make a petition, get 100,000 e-signatures online and then the motion will be debated in your Parliament. Any of the ideas that I mentioned above to prohibit the public appearance of foreign behaviours/activities/sports/music/cuisines could have been discussed if a sufficient mandate was there.
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    (Original post by LeBuche)
    Are you being serious? :confused: Maybe we haven't shown much appetite for it because we enjoy freedom of expression...
    The problem there is that 'foreign' things can be expressed too (which will apparently alienate and scare some people).
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    (Original post by effofex)
    You can make a petition, get 100,000 e-signatures online and then the motion will be debated in your Parliament. Any of the ideas that I mentioned above to prohibit the public appearance of foreign behaviours/activities/sports/music/cuisines could have been discussed if a sufficient mandate was there.
    Indeed they would have been discussed, and then thrown out because it's not in the best interests of the Politicians.

    Even getting that many signatures is an effort, the average Citizen has so little faith in Government and the will of the people being enacted they probably just wouldn't bother.
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    Most likely because there are more immigrants than job vacancies, which means if they weren't here the number of people able to get jobs would be much higher.
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    (Original post by effofex)
    The problem there is that 'foreign' things can be expressed too (which will apparently alienate and scare some people).
    There isn't a problem with foreign things being expressed though.:rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Three Mile Sprint)
    Yes but these are citizens...you know..common people, by and large completely ignorant and uneducated on how politics, economics and almost anything of import actually takes place.
    Can we really expect an educated plan of action to tackle complex immigration issues from people who's main concern is paying next months rent and keeping the other half content?
    I think you're underestimating the level of intelligence of the masses, a lot of "common people" are actually quite sensible and informed.

    The problem that immigration poses is that it breeds an entirely new underclass of the British society. First and second generation Eastern European immigrants will be largely unable to enter the middle class, that leaves us with at least 30 years of an artificially enlarged working class couple with increasing scarcity of jobs available to its members due to steady technological development that will surely continue. Britain might end up with millions of first generation immigrants staying in this country to retire and millions more on the dole - an immense strain on the budget. It is time to stop thinking about the financial prospects of big business and electoral prospects of political parties supporting immigration and let in only highly qualified professionals.
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    (Original post by Three Mile Sprint)
    Indeed they would have been discussed, and then thrown out because it's not in the best interests of the Politicians.

    Even getting that many signatures is an effort, the average Citizen has so little faith in Government and the will of the people being enacted they probably just wouldn't bother.
    The average citizen is literate and has access to the internet for at least some period of the day. A petition could easily garner in excess of 100,000 signatures. The average citizen could also do research on which multinationals have a propensity towards employing foreign workers (breakdown by nationality is published in most companies' annual reports) and they could use this as a basis of whether or not to hand over custom to such companies or not.

    Many citizens have felt the need to protest vehemently in the past (re. Poll Tax, Student Fees, etc.) so I am sure a mass protest against global free movement of labour and capital could be organized in London too.
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    (Original post by LeBuche)
    There isn't a problem with foreign things being expressed though.:rolleyes:
    But apparently for some people there is - because it can be seen as alienating and threatening.
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    (Original post by effofex)
    What are the 'unemployed youth' actually going to do to us, or the government for that matter?

    Their propensity towards voting is often much lower than other age demographics and most are simply not as mobile as migrant men are.
    That's why money should be spent on them. I'm all for immigration in the right circumstances but we need to take care of our own house first. Get the younger generation sorted out other we'll be left with a lazy benefit claiming generation.
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    (Original post by effofex)
    The average citizen is literate and has access to the internet for at least some period of the day. A petition could easily garner in excess of 100,000 signatures. The average citizen could also do research on which multinationals have a propensity towards employing foreign workers (breakdown by nationality is published in most companies' annual reports) and they could use this as a basis of whether or not to hand over custom to such companies or not.

    Many citizens have felt the need to protest vehemently in the past (re. Poll Tax, Student Fees, etc.) so I am sure a mass protest against global free movement of labour and capital could be organized in London too.
    You greatly over-estimate the common man.
 
 
 
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