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    (Original post by madders94)
    How have I proved your point? Have you looked on tumblr? "Feminazi" is often worn as a badge of honour by the man-hating feminists. It proves nothing.
    because tumblr is such a reliable source of information. :rolleyes:
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    I work with a bunch of women. They are ****ing useless and I look forward to the day when their work is relegated to pushing the tea trolley around and letting me comment on their tits.

    Bring back 1970's attitudes in the workplace.
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    (Original post by Howard)
    I work with a bunch of women. They are ****ing useless and I look forward to the day when their work is relegated to pushing the tea trolley around and letting me comment on their tits.

    Bring back 1970's attitudes in the workplace.
    wtf
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    (Original post by MrHappy_J)
    because tumblr is such a reliable source of information. :rolleyes:
    Why is it unreliable? Feminist bloggers on tumblr have proudly referred to themselves as "feminazi". Why is that unreliable?
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    (Original post by Howard)
    I work with a bunch of women. They are ****ing useless and I look forward to the day when their work is relegated to pushing the tea trolley around and letting me comment on their tits.

    Bring back 1970's attitudes in the workplace.
    Cue all the posters not realising this is a troll and saying "THIS IS EXACTLY WHY WE NEED FEMINISM". Way to further the cause :facepalm2:
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    (Original post by madders94)
    Why is it unreliable? Feminist bloggers on tumblr have proudly referred to themselves as "feminazi". Why is that unreliable?
    they are probably men trolling. are you seriously going to believe everything you read on the internet?

    I quite like this though:

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    (Original post by edithwashere)
    Women make up 50% of the world's population, so I would advise against generalizing all of them into 4 different categories. There is nothing wrong with feminism, only the perceptions that some people have of feminism. Why are you so insistent on belittling the arguments of women who want equal rights? Would you like it if you were a member of an oppressed group, say, blacks (who have come a long way but still face oppression on a regular basis) and the people who you were asking for support against this oppression told you you were "moaning" or "sitting around crying because your life isn't a fairy tale?"

    I have had some absolutely horrible experiences in my life, which I would not have experienced had I been born male. Until such things cease to happen, feminism will always exist, and will never be silenced.
    Saying that people can't be generalised does not show that I am wrong, merely that you disagree "cause lol" :facepalm:

    Did you even read what I posted? Did I not say that women have equal rights? So stop whining about something you have. It doesn't make you look very grateful or intelligent.

    News flash for you, everyone is oppressed. It's called life. It is not fair, and it is hard. It won't ever change. Either have the attitude of "Deal with it" or be quiet. If you were a man you would have had horrible experiences. To think men life a perfect life is absurd and so impossible ignorant, but do you know why men don't whine about it? Because we know that is life. We can't change it (well we could, but it would be incredibly extreme), so we deal with it and move on. Everyone else needs to learn to do the same.
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    (Original post by madders94)
    Cue all the posters not realising this is a troll and saying "THIS IS EXACTLY WHY WE NEED FEMINISM". Way to further the cause :facepalm2:
    Let's see how many people actually post that, huh? Because nobody has so far. You may call yourself a humanitarian but you don't seem to care much for feminists who are being perfectly polite and well-reasoned.
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    (Original post by MrHappy_J)
    they are probably men trolling. are you seriously going to believe everything you read on the internet?

    I quite like this though:

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    I've never not been treated like a human being. I've been in an abusive relationship and I get "back to the kitchen" jokes all the time, but because I know that some men are d***s, just like some women are b*****s, I don't go for the whole "I need feminism because if I'm a feminist it'll never happen to me again", and I learn to take a joke and throw it back in their faces rather than acting all butthurt and making them only want to do it more.

    It's like playground bullying - if you throw it back in their faces, they may still carry on, but they may also leave you alone - and at least you'll have the confidence and the comebacks to deal with it. Whining about it and making yourself into even more of a victim does nothing - I was bullied severely in primary school, so I know.
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    (Original post by edithwashere)
    Let's see how many people actually post that, huh? Because nobody has so far. You may call yourself a humanitarian but you don't seem to care much for feminists who are being perfectly polite and well-reasoned.
    Let's face it though, had I not posted that, you would've said "this is why we need feminism". You seem quite desperate to prove a point against me.
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    (Original post by edithwashere)
    That doesn't mean that it has no place in the UK, though.
    I think we need something that comes from less of a gender perspective. I prefer the term egalitarianism, because it means we shouldn't discriminate against anyone because of any arbitrary factor like what they have under their clothes, or who they get into bed with, or the colour of their skin. Feminism in it's primary sense achieved equal rights for women, and I think addressing the sociocultural issues of today needs something that adressess the issues that every other group face too.

    (Original post by MrHappy_J)
    and what women would you be talking about?

    comparing feminists to nazis is offensive. the nazis committed appalling crimes.
    The women who argue that if you watch porn, you're a rapist? :rolleyes: Well to be honest there was a whole long list but I'm pretty sure the thread it was posted on was deleted to so I can't find it now.

    And what does "it's offensive" actually mean? There's a really good Stephen Fry quote about being offended. People seem to really like getting all het up about anything and everything.
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    (Original post by madders94)
    Let's face it though, had I not posted that, you would've said "this is why we need feminism". You seem quite desperate to prove a point against me.
    Since I'd already replied to that post before you posted about it, no, I wouldn't have said that. :confused:
    You seem quite desperate to write off all feminists as wanting female supremacy, when nobody on TSR (quote me if I'm wrong) has expressed any such views. Can't we all just get along?
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    (Original post by madders94)
    I've never not been treated like a human being. I've been in an abusive relationship and I get "back to the kitchen" jokes all the time, but because I know that some men are d***s, just like some women are b*****s, I don't go for the whole "I need feminism because if I'm a feminist it'll never happen to me again", and I learn to take a joke and throw it back in their faces rather than acting all butthurt and making them only want to do it more.

    It's like playground bullying - if you throw it back in their faces, they may still carry on, but they may also leave you alone - and at least you'll have the confidence and the comebacks to deal with it. Whining about it and making yourself into even more of a victim does nothing - I was bullied severely in primary school, so I know.
    well I think it's even more sad that, having been in an abusive relationship, you still dont understand why feminism is necessary. domestic abuse is about men feeling powerful over women, and doesn't just boil down to "he was an arse".

    and then you say "Ive never not been treated like a human being" just before claiming you were abused and bullied. Really?
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    (Original post by MrHappy_J)
    well I think it's even more sad that, having been in an abusive relationship, you still dont understand why feminism is necessary. domestic abuse is about men feeling powerful over women, and doesn't just boil down to "he was an arse".

    and then you say "Ive never not been treated like a human being" just before claiming you were abused and bullied. Really?
    Men are also victims of domestic abuse, so maybe you should redefine that, because you seem to think it's only men abusing women.
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    (Original post by desdemonata)
    I think we need something that comes from less of a gender perspective. I prefer the term egalitarianism, because it means we shouldn't discriminate against anyone because of any arbitrary factor like what they have under their clothes, or who they get into bed with, or the colour of their skin. Feminism in it's primary sense achieved equal rights for women, and I think addressing the sociocultural issues of today needs something that adressess the issues that every other group face too.



    The women who argue that if you watch porn, you're a rapist? :rolleyes: Well to be honest there was a whole long list but I'm pretty sure the thread it was posted on was deleted to so I can't find it now.

    And what does "it's offensive" actually mean? There's a really good Stephen Fry quote about being offended. People seem to really like getting all het up about anything and everything.
    Well I think comparing feminism to genocide is pretty offensive and extreme. And I think Stephen Fry would agree with me on that one.

    and some types of porn are actually pretty violent and advocate raping women, yet men who are otherwise ordinary seem perfectly happy to watch it. I'm not saying that the men in turn will become rapists, but the exploitation of women here is obvious.
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    (Original post by desdemonata)
    Men are also victims of domestic abuse, so maybe you should redefine that, because you seem to think it's only men abusing women.
    when did I say it was only men against women?
    why are you trying to put words into my mouth?
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    (Original post by MrHappy_J)
    domestic abuse is about men feeling powerful over women, and doesn't just boil down to "he was an arse".
    is this just an assumption? how do you know this?

    also what do you think of female on male domestic violence? would that show that the woman was trying to "feel powerful" over the man? or would it just show that the woman was a *****?
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    (Original post by MrHappy_J)
    the exploitation of women here is obvious.
    and if the women choose to be in those films??
    how is that exploiting them?
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    (Original post by desdemonata)
    Men are also victims of domestic abuse, so maybe you should redefine that, because you seem to think it's only men abusing women.
    Copied and pasted official statistics of why it's more of a women's issue:

    Statistics: Domestic Violence
    Incidence and prevalence of domestic violence: General
    • Domestic violence accounts for between 16% and one quarter of all
    recorded violent crime. (Home Office, 2004; Dodd et al., 2004; BCS,
    1998; Dobash and Dobash, 1980)
    • One incident is reported to the police every minute. (Stanko, 2000)
    • 45% women and 26% men had experienced at least one incident of
    inter-personal violence in their lifetimes. (Walby and Allen, 2004) ) –
    however when there were more than 4 incidents (i.e. ongoing domestic or
    sexual abuse) 89% of victims were women.
    • In any one year, there are 13 million separate incidents of physical
    violence or threats of violence against women from partners or former
    partners. (Walby and Allen, 2004)
    • Women are much more likely than men to be the victim of multiple
    incidents of abuse, and of sexual violence: 32% of women who had
    ever experienced domestic violence did so four or five (or more) times,
    compared with 11% of the (smaller number) of men who had ever
    experienced domestic violence; and women constituted 89% of all those
    who had experienced 4 or more incidents of domestic violence. (Walby
    and Allen, 2004)
    • Women are more likely than men to have experienced all types of intimate
    violence (partner abuse, family abuse, sexual assault and stalking) since
    the ages of 16. And nearly half the woman who had experienced intimate
    violence of any kind, were likely to have been victims of more than one
    kind of intimate abuse. (Coleman et al., 2007)
    • 54% of UK rapes are committed by a woman’s current or former partner.
    (Walby and Allen, 2004)
    • On average 2 women a week are killed by a male partner or former
    partner: this constitutes around one-third of all female homicide victims.
    (Povey, (ed.), 2004, 2005; Home Office, 1999; Department of Health,
    2005.)

    Edit: Also,
    Domestic violence is internationally acknowledged to be one of the health
    inequalities affecting women particularly, and forms a significant obstacle
    to their receiving effective health care. (World Health Organisation, 1997;
    United Nations,1993).
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    (Original post by Tabzqt)
    is this just an assumption? how do you know this?

    also what do you think of female on male domestic violence? would that show that the woman was trying to "feel powerful" over the man? or would it just show that the woman was a *****?
    I've studied sociology and gender issues and done my resesarch.
    Women are more likely to be the victims of domestic violence, surely you know this?
    Any form of violence is unacceptable but the damage a man can inflict on a woman is ten times as bad.
 
 
 
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