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    (Original post by Dragonfly07)
    Copied and pasted official statistics of why it's more of a women's issue:

    Statistics: Domestic Violence
    Incidence and prevalence of domestic violence: General
    • Domestic violence accounts for between 16% and one quarter of all
    recorded violent crime. (Home Office, 2004; Dodd et al., 2004; BCS,
    1998; Dobash and Dobash, 1980)
    • One incident is reported to the police every minute. (Stanko, 2000)
    • 45% women and 26% men had experienced at least one incident of
    inter-personal violence in their lifetimes. (Walby and Allen, 2004) ) –
    however when there were more than 4 incidents (i.e. ongoing domestic or
    sexual abuse) 89% of victims were women.
    • In any one year, there are 13 million separate incidents of physical
    violence or threats of violence against women from partners or former
    partners. (Walby and Allen, 2004)
    • Women are much more likely than men to be the victim of multiple
    incidents of abuse, and of sexual violence: 32% of women who had
    ever experienced domestic violence did so four or five (or more) times,
    compared with 11% of the (smaller number) of men who had ever
    experienced domestic violence; and women constituted 89% of all those
    who had experienced 4 or more incidents of domestic violence. (Walby
    and Allen, 2004)
    • Women are more likely than men to have experienced all types of intimate
    violence (partner abuse, family abuse, sexual assault and stalking) since
    the ages of 16. And nearly half the woman who had experienced intimate
    violence of any kind, were likely to have been victims of more than one
    kind of intimate abuse. (Coleman et al., 2007)
    • 54% of UK rapes are committed by a woman’s current or former partner.
    (Walby and Allen, 2004)
    • On average 2 women a week are killed by a male partner or former
    partner: this constitutes around one-third of all female homicide victims.
    (Povey, (ed.), 2004, 2005; Home Office, 1999; Department of Health,
    2005.)
    Thank you.
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    (Original post by MrHappy_J)
    I've studied sociology and gender issues and done my resesarch.
    Women are more likely to be the victims of domestic violence, surely you know this?
    Any form of violence is unacceptable but the damage a man can inflict on a woman is ten times as bad.
    I never denied any of this...

    what do you think about a woman abusing a man though? would that be a case of the woman being misandric? or would it be something else?
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    (Original post by Tabzqt)
    I never denied any of this...

    what do you think about a woman abusing a man though? would that be a case of the woman being misandric? or would it be something else?
    people hit people for all sorts of reasons, I was just pointing out a general tendency.
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    (Original post by MrHappy_J)
    people hit people for all sorts of reasons, I was just pointing out a general tendency.
    you said domestic abuse was "about men feeling more powerful over women"
    surely the opposite is true then?

    or would you try to defend a female abuser, claiming she is a victim?
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    (Original post by Tabzqt)
    I never denied any of this...

    what do you think about a woman abusing a man though? would that be a case of the woman being misandric? or would it be something else?
    I would not argue that it's misandric, but I also don't believe a man who abuses a woman (assuming it's a one off) is a misogynist. However, I do think that we live in a culture of misogyny, because women are treated differently than men, by men - not thanks to law but just the way we interact as human beings. People seem happy to agree that everybody is equal, and yet I still feel unjustly targeted in many situations because I am female. I think that is misogyny. If the same thing were to happen to a man BECAUSE he is male, if he is treated as inferior because he is a man, then yes I would call that misandry - but I am not a man, I have not experienced that and so I cannot comment on whether it exists or not.
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    (Original post by MrHappy_J)
    The overwhelming majority of victims of sexism are women, when will people recognise this? Of course men also face certain societal expecations about what their roles should be but it's not nearly as bad, and overall they are better off because they are better represented in society.
    Bull****.

    How about...
    Girls getting better grades.
    Girls going to university more.
    Women having lower rates of unemployment.
    Men having much higher rates of suicide.
    Higher levels of funding for female healthcare compared to men.

    And the best one of all.

    Women receiving lower sentences for the SAME crimes as men.
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    (Original post by Tabzqt)
    you said domestic abuse was "about men feeling more powerful over women"
    surely the opposite is true then?

    or would you try to defend a female abuser, claiming she is a victim?
    The hypocrisy of some feminists is unfathomable
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    (Original post by Robbie242)
    The hypocrisy of some feminists is unfathomable
    Yeah quite a lot of these posts are going beyond the realm of common sense/rationality.
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    (Original post by Tabzqt)
    you said domestic abuse was "about men feeling more powerful over women"
    surely the opposite is true then?

    or would you try to defend a female abuser, claiming she is a victim?
    lol i love how you twist everything I say.

    Didn't I say that violence is unacceptable under any circumstance? why would I defend the female abuser?
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    (Original post by Robbie242)
    The hypocrisy of some feminists is unfathomable

    (Original post by MrHappy_J)
    lol i love how you twist everything I say.

    Didn't I say that violence is unacceptable under any circumstance? why would I defend the female abuser?
    It's funny how the guy I quoted above you took what your opponent WRONGLY said that YOU said... and took that to mean that feminists are hypocritical rather than that the guy you're debating with is a ****ing moron who puts words in other people's mouths..

    I've been watching this thread for a while and I don't see how you have the patience to keep debating them... I would border on insanity.
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    (Original post by Classical Liberal)
    Bull****.

    How about...
    Girls getting better grades.
    Girls going to university more.
    Women having lower rates of unemployment.
    Men having much higher rates of suicide.
    Higher levels of funding for female healthcare compared to men.

    And the best one of all.

    Women receiving lower sentences for the SAME crimes as men.
    The proportion of men and women going to university is about equal. Where segregation lies is in the courses they choose.

    Boys are more disruptive in school and a lot of time is spent just trying to discipline them. Maybe that's why they dont' do so well. Furthermore it depends on the subjects. girls tend to do better at literature, etc.

    Women are more likely to be employed part time, and earn lower wages.

    I don't even know where those last ones came from.

    I think I've made my point.
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    (Original post by Dragonfly07)
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    You completely missed my point. My point was, it doesn't affect just women, so why should we only fight for women's rights to not be abused?
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    (Original post by Dragonfly07)
    It's funny how the guy I quoted above you took what your opponent WRONGLY said that YOU said... and took that to mean that feminists are hypocritical rather than that the guy you're debating with is a ****ing moron who puts words in other people's mouths..

    I've been watching this thread for a while and I don't see how you have the patience to keep debating them... I would border on insanity.
    I don't know either. Maybe it's just boredom.

    He's trying to get me to say that violence against men is not an issue just so he can shout MISANDRIST! lol.
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    (Original post by MrHappy_J)
    lol i love how you twist everything I say.

    Didn't I say that violence is unacceptable under any circumstance? why would I defend the female abuser?
    well that's what a whole lot of feminists do.
    when it's a man does something bad it's always for misogynistic reasons
    when a woman does something bad there's always an excuse.
    it's ridiculous.

    you said yourself that domestic abuse is always for misogynistic reasons. I don't see how this can be true at all, again it's the classic case of a feminist trying to shoehorn the concept of misogyny on anything bad. I'm not saying male domestic abusers aren't misogynistic - I'm sure a lot are. But you can't say the only reason they do it is to "feel power over women".
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    (Original post by Dragonfly07)
    It's funny how the guy I quoted above you took what your opponent WRONGLY said that YOU said... and took that to mean that feminists are hypocritical rather than that the guy you're debating with is a ****ing moron who puts words in other people's mouths..

    I've been watching this thread for a while and I don't see how you have the patience to keep debating them... I would border on insanity.
    Yeah even I have kindof given up half the people on this site are just frankly stupid. They actually believe males are persecuted rather than females and males both being hurt by sexism in society in different ways.
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    (Original post by MrHappy_J)
    when did I say it was only men against women?
    why are you trying to put words into my mouth?
    You said: "it's about men feeling powerful over women."
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    (Original post by Classical Liberal)
    Bull****.

    How about...
    Girls getting better grades.
    Girls going to university more.
    Women having lower rates of unemployment.
    Men having much higher rates of suicide.
    Higher levels of funding for female healthcare compared to men.

    And the best one of all.

    Women receiving lower sentences for the SAME crimes as men.
    Add to that the very important issue of family courts.
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    (Original post by desdemonata)
    You said: "it's about men feeling powerful over women."
    read the post I was quoting and stop taking what i say out of context.
    My point was that I don't think domestic violence against women exists purely because some men are dicks, I think that there's an underlying problem. Otherwise the statistics would be just about equal.
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    (Original post by desdemonata)
    You completely missed my point. My point was, it doesn't affect just women, so why should we only fight for women's rights to not be abused?
    Because obviously the statistics of violence by women towards men are so low in comparison to the other way around that it's obviously more of a sex issue in one case than in the other.

    That's further strengthened by the same article I posted to you which says that, in those fewer circumstances where men DO suffer domestic abuse by women, it is mostly a one-time thing. i.e. not ongoing (they defined ongoing as 4-5 instances or more). That means that acts of violence against men are spurs of anger rather than an ongoing "I will abuse you as much as I can for as long as I can". The majority of domestic violence against women are more long-term and ongoing.

    Also, the lower the percentage of violence against the opposite gender, the closer the percentage is statistically to the general violent crime statistics rather than to gender-fueled violence.
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    (Original post by Tabzqt)
    well that's what a whole lot of feminists do.
    when it's a man does something bad it's always for misogynistic reasons
    when a woman does something bad there's always an excuse.
    it's ridiculous.

    you said yourself that domestic abuse is always for misogynistic reasons. I don't see how this can be true at all, again it's the classic case of a feminist trying to shoehorn the concept of misogyny on anything bad. I'm not saying male domestic abusers aren't misogynistic - I'm sure a lot are. But you can't say the only reason they do it is to "feel power over women".
    :facepalm:

    I give up.
 
 
 
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