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    (Original post by Pikachu123)
    Disguised insults perhaps. Not crude and direct insults more appropriate for an argument akin to those of a domestic nature.
    Domestics can be great.
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    is educating our children the job of the State or the Parents? i believe you must answer this question before 'should privates be banned' question.
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    (Original post by Lakesx)
    Firstly, from a psychological approach it is obvious that you have not had access to private schooling, as you would not be having this rant. An person that has had private education, would be for it, as they would see the true benefit of it, It appears that you are simply putting forward an argument because your parents could not or would not allow you to go to private school, therefore you already have a bitter state of mind for being at a disadvantage.

    Secondly, I have been privileged to go to a private school with a scholarship, and also to a state school before hand... The disparity in education techniques is ridiculously different for example at private school, they teach you to aim high, that an A* is not the best but 100% is(if you see what I mean) they want you to be confident, independent, and succeed in life. Where as at state schools even though you many be a bright student, they want you to pass not strive, just simply scrape bare basics.... If this mind set was applied to all schools, the large majority would remain average or below par.

    Thirdly, it you applied the argument that people born with money should not be at an advantage... that is a communist way of thinking, that everyone should be equal regardless of the fact that even though two families' first generation have the same amount of wealth but one family succeed though pure hard-work and dedication that their child should not have the right to get a better education. Surely we should be making all schooling at a private level standard, rather then bring them down to par standard? Surely money that is spent of second homes for MP and benefits for unemployed migrant with 5 children should be spent on bring the education standard up?

    Fourthly, have you been to a private school, do you actually know what it is like to be taught by these "elite" teacher? If you do not, I suggest you get experience of it first hand to see the true value of private education before you argue against it...
    Your argument is fallacious, you conclude that I haven't been to a private school (from psychological evidence), then you say that my view is communist in nature, because the entirety of my post centers around this communistic approach to the basic education all children should be exposed to, therefore one can infer that this psychologically hints that I did not go to a private school?
    Are all those who do not go to private schools communists? Which one is it that is the cause of me posting on Studentroom.com at 21:31pm?

    This is all really beside the point, because discussing me isn't the issue here.
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    (Original post by roh)
    There was a pretty hefty amount of outrage when Tony Blair got in some teachers from Westminster to tutor Euan. If anything I've found tutoring attracts more opprobrium, as it's seen as somehow more covert than private schooling. Everyone I know associates tutoring with champagne socialism, probably not helped by the Blair connotations.
    I suppose, I mean I know a lot of people who give their children tutors but say they're against private schools. I guess because it's not as full on as private schooling its not AS controversial.
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    Does sending your child to private school guarantee that they get good grades, and go to a good university? not really.
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    (Original post by WeeGuy)
    is educating our children the job of the State or the Parents? i believe you must answer this question before 'should privates be banned' question.
    Education is a very intimate matter. It concerns the child and the child only. The child is the one being educated, all children should have the opportunity of a suitably high quality education because really, ignorance is not bliss; it is a hell.

    I purposely avoided your question because that question doesn't answer anything if you go back far enough.
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    (Original post by infairverona)
    I suppose, I mean I know a lot of people who give their children tutors but say they're against private schools. I guess because it's not as full on as private schooling its not AS controversial.
    I think if you're saying that it's pretty spectacularly hypocritical, with the possible exception of 11 plus tutoring as the state system doesn't prepare you for that.

    Presumably they're against independents because they feel they give an unfair advantage or that they don't want to dilute their children's achievements and avoid feelings that they got their grades because their parents paid for them, so tutoring just seems to defeat the point.

    I certainly wouldn't want to be tutored any more than I'd want to go to private school, though I'm never sure if I was surreptitiously as my parents are teachers :ninja:
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    The only reason you see private schools as a problem is because state schools are failing to provide the same level of education (in some cases, obviously some state schools do better than some private schools). The solution is not to remove institutions that are educating people to a good level, it is to make state schools better.
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    (Original post by WeeGuy)
    is educating our children the job of the State or the Parents? i believe you must answer this question before 'should privates be banned' question.
    Its the role of the state to provide basic educate kids
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    Ban private schools ?

    Ha, surely the opposite is true. Bring in the private sector to help run state schools and you'll see a tremendous difference.

    This state school rubbish approach also happens to run our uni sector bar Oxbridge and I tell you by and large it is pretty BAD.
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    You know what, this debate is on studentforum so I really shouldn't have hoped for much yet I did for some strange reason. Everything everyone has posted has already been covered by my post (with the exception of disputing the idea of a slightly communistic approach to education).

    Children don't pick their parents.

    I feel so disappointed.
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    (Original post by roh)
    I think if you're saying that it's pretty spectacularly hypocritical, with the possible exception of 11 plus tutoring as the state system doesn't prepare you for that.

    Presumably they're against independents because they feel they give an unfair advantage or that they don't want to dilute their children's achievements and avoid feelings that they got their grades because their parents paid for them, so tutoring just seems to defeat the point.

    I certainly wouldn't want to be tutored any more than I'd want to go to private school, though I'm never sure if I was surreptitiously as my parents are teachers :ninja:

    I think there's a very fine line. I remember my Mum teaching me to read, making me do extra maths etc a lot, everyday after my school reading/any 'homework' I got. Some parents don't bother and let the kids get on with it, as my boyfriend's parents did. If you're giving your child a tutor I'd say private school is pretty much just an extension of that, IMO.
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    (Original post by Zenomorph)
    Ban private schools ?

    Ha, surely the opposite is true. Bring in the private sector to help run state schools and you'll see a tremendous difference.

    This state school rubbish approach also happens to run our uni sector bar Oxbridge and I tell you by and large it is pretty BAD.
    Perhaps that is one way of improving education; however will that education be affordable and of decent quality?

    If so, I would support it, but seeing as how it would just segregate society even further into different subgroups (the poor, middle class, wealthy) then it's not really an appealing idea.
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    (Original post by Pikachu123)
    I believe education should be a sector that should be completely government controlled; that is not to say I advocate following strict government curriculum, rather I believe that a child's basic education should not be influenced by factors such as wealth.
    The parents of every private school kid are paying taxes that contribute to the state system while not benefiting from it. Theoretically the more kids in private education the better the state system gets.

    Edit: Also if you want to end private education you should really make the state system better so that no-one needs private. I don't see why you would want to increase the burden on our state schools AND decrease the quality of education for some just to make the playing field level. Google 'Crab Bucket'
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    (Original post by Ch1pp0)
    The parents of every private school kid are paying taxes that contribute to the state system while not benefiting from it. Theoretically the more kids in private education the better the state system gets.
    Theoretically, but not really true. Even more reason to neglect the state school education system as there's no incentive to improve it.

    I do see a benefit though, as the government would save on paying more children's education; however should governments really be neglecting their duty to to provide a human right (education) so much that people have to resort to private education?
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    (Original post by infairverona)
    I think there's a very fine line. I remember my Mum teaching me to read, making me do extra maths etc a lot, everyday after my school reading/any 'homework' I got. Some parents don't bother and let the kids get on with it, as my boyfriend's parents did. If you're giving your child a tutor I'd say private school is pretty much just an extension of that, IMO.
    Same, I think once you start paying out, financial positive action so to speak, it is a significant step, for me anyway. Personally, I understand there are a thousand educational advantages my parents being reasonably well off and educated gave me (not least somewhere warm and quiet in which to work) and which I'll go on to give my kids, but I think that paying for a tutor is somehow more tangible than those other things.

    I suppose for teachers it's a bit more difficult to tell, as time spent educating is normally something they charge for (so to speak), but at the same time reading, encouraging to work, helping explain things etc. are things they would do for their kids anyway, they just happen to be professionals at it.
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    (Original post by -strawberry-)
    I go to a private school. I am not rich. I only pay 50% fees. It really bugs me when people say you have to be rich to go to a private school, there are plenty of cheaper ones around than the likes of Eton etc.
    Back in the day me too. Did my head in as a lot of my friends were on bursaries.

    Also I stopped reading when the OP called the UK, English. What about poor old Scotland, Ireland and Wales?
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    (Original post by Pikachu123)
    Theoretically, but not really true. Even more reason to neglect the state school education system as there's no incentive to improve it.

    I do see a benefit though, as the government would save on paying more children's education; however should governments really be neglecting their duty to to provide a human right (education) so much that people have to resort to private education?
    No they shouldn't... but they do.
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    (Original post by roh)
    Yes, but when it comes to dealing with such large groups as 'the independently educated' and 'the state educated' it's surely a necessary evil to have some generalisation? Obviously there will be significant exceptions on both sides, but if you keep discussing the endless exceptions to a wider truth you'll never have a debate about the actual issue, in this case whether private schooling should be banned or not.
    Negged you by accident, sorry! I totally agree!
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    (Original post by Pikachu123)
    Education is a very intimate matter. It concerns the child and the child only. The child is the one being educated, all children should have the opportunity of a suitably high quality education because really, ignorance is not bliss; it is a hell.
    The problem with a lot of state schools is that they aren't as good as private schools, partly due to the lack of money available to the schools, so can't afford some of the best teachers, facilities and small class. If you abolished private schools then this would put thousands more into state education, so million of pounds would have to be spent on running the schools that previously were not state funded, resulting in less money available to improve the current state schools, so everyone is worse off if you abolish private schools.
 
 
 
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