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A84 - Ballot Naming Amendment - VOTING Watch

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    PreambleThis amendment would unshackle TSR elections from the circumstances of real-life politics by insisting that parties refrain from associating themselves, at election time only, with any registered British party that won at least 0.1% of the votes cast at the previous general election.

    A84 - Ballot Naming AmendmentProposer: JPKC
    Seconders: Birchington, miser, chrisawhitmore, Aj12, Leon Trotsky, nixonsjellybeans, TheCrackInTime, tuerin.

    To add the following provision to the 'General Elections' section of the Guidance Document:

    12) Parties must refrain from using any name (or logos) on the ballot (or in their manifestos) that explicitly associate themselves with any real-life political party that won 0.1% or more of the vote at the previous UK general election.

    NotesThis amendment, if it passes, would allow parties to continue using whatever names they like, but asks that they don't associate themselves with a popular real-life party during elections. This is because the influence of real-life circumstances undermines the election process on TSR, detracting from debates in the MHoC and making party manifestos less important, and elections more confusing.
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    Is the rule actually enforceable?
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    (Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
    Is the rule actually enforceable?
    As far as I understand, parties breaching it would have the fields used removed, as manifestos which breach guidelines by being too long are. Basically, any manifesto with a RL name in gets taken down, any party that tries to run under a RL name is removed from the ballot.
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    Aye.
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    (Original post by chrisawhitmore)
    As far as I understand, parties breaching it would have the fields used removed, as manifestos which breach guidelines by being too long are. Basically, any manifesto with a RL name in gets taken down, any party that tries to run under a RL name is removed from the ballot.
    Look at the way the rule is written. If it passes it generates a huge loophole.
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    (Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
    Look at the way the rule is written. If it passes it generates a huge loophole.
    I'm not sure I see it, and at this point even if there is a loophole, we may as well pass this to get the concept in place and then tighten the wording as necessary.
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    (Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
    Look at the way the rule is written. If it passes it generates a huge loophole.
    As it is only the guidance document are we even obliged to follow this?
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    The Guidance Document provides the rules that the Speaker should attempt to enforce but are not mandatory. So, you are obliged to follow this only insofar as the Speaker thinks it is a good idea.
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    explicitly associate themselves with any real-life political party that won 0.1% or more of the vote at the previous UK general election.
    Can somebody confirm as to whether the Socialists and Libertarians will be affected by this?
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Can somebody confirm as to whether the Socialists and Libertarians will be affected by this?
    If we shared our names with popular real-life parties then we certainly would be.
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    This is an utterly poor amendment.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Can somebody confirm as to whether the Socialists and Libertarians will be affected by this?
    It depends how harsh the Speaker is feeling. Arguably, "the Socialists" could be considered a short-hand for "The Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition", given the constituent elements are the Socialist Worker's Party, the Socialist Alliance, the Socialist Party, and the Socialist Resistance. The Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition did get just over 0.1% of the vote, so I could see a really strict Speaker forcing the Socialist to change their name.

    The Libertarians, I think, are pretty immune. I don't think there's any way you could associate the Libertarians with any party or grouping which received over 0.1% of the vote.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    This is an utterly poor amendment.
    Negatory.

    Oh, and the TUSC got less than 0.1% of the national vote.
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    (Original post by TopHat)
    It depends how harsh the Speaker is feeling. Arguably, "the Socialists" could be considered a short-hand for "The Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition", given the constituent elements are the Socialist Worker's Party, the Socialist Alliance, the Socialist Party, and the Socialist Resistance. The Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition did get just over 0.1% of the vote, so I could see a really strict Speaker forcing the Socialist to change their name.

    The Libertarians, I think, are pretty immune. I don't think there's any way you could associate the Libertarians with any party or grouping which received over 0.1% of the vote.
    Perhaps but both parties have built small followings on TSR which associate them with their logos.

    Why not have simply put 'all TSR parties'.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Perhaps but both parties have built small followings on TSR which associate them with their logos.

    Why not have simply put 'all TSR parties'.
    It might be a short run-disadvantage, I agree, but it'll disappear in the long-run. I'm not sure how long the average "lifespan" of a TSR account is, but I'd be surprised if it extended beyond a year, which is two elections. After that, I'd expect everyone to be on equal footing.

    Besides, if you're really worked up about it, either a) PM Jarred the little snippet about the Socialists I posted and ask him if he can be strict and force them to change their name too (which I would support), or b) vote Aye to this amendment and then propose a second Amendment which forces this change on ALL parties (which I would vote for). I think on both causes you'd see a fairly strong groundswell of support.
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    (Original post by TopHat)
    It might be a short run-disadvantage, I agree, but it'll disappear in the long-run. I'm not sure how long the average "lifespan" of a TSR account is, but I'd be surprised if it extended beyond a year, which is two elections. After that, I'd expect everyone to be on equal footing.

    Besides, if you're really worked up about it, either a) PM Jarred the little snippet about the Socialists I posted and ask him if he can be strict and force them to change their name too (which I would support), or b) vote Aye to this amendment and then propose a second Amendment which forces this change on ALL parties (which I would vote for). I think on both causes you'd see a fairly strong groundswell of support.
    If it passes i'll bring forth the amendment.
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    Good. You'd have my vote.
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    Thanks.

    On the subject of logo's which ones are deemed too close to RL, equally my sig has a British one.

    For example our manifesto below uses a different logo to the green one in RL..

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    (Original post by JPKC)
    Negatory.

    Oh, and the TUSC got less than 0.1% of the national vote.
    The SDLP got 0.4% however
 
 
 
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