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    As a male, I am becoming increasingly terrified to be anywhere near children, and I also wanted to be a Primary teacher when I was younger - but not anymore because of the modern social climate and paranoia surrounding it all.

    I have been in Scouts since I was like 10, and have continued to volunteer for the same group I grew up with because they need all the help they can get and I enjoy it a lot - but with the way things are going in this country I think I might pack that in if it continues to degenerate more.

    It only takes one false allegation or misplaced suspicion in a society like this for your life to be ruined needlessly. The facts wouldn't matter (No smoke without fire? Sometimes there wouldn't be a fire without an arsonist). The double standards and hippocrisy are shocking too.

    I think its crazy, very sad - and is doing a lot of harm to children to grow up in a world like this.
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    Have a sex change and you'll be fine mate.
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    When I had an interview for a job in a school once, one of the questions went something like "we have to ask you this for safeguarding reasons: why do you want to work here?"

    Umwhat? Asking for safeguarding surely implies they're checking my answer isn't "so I can rape the students" or something similar? The interviewer clearly thought it was a stupid question too, but I guess their governers or whatever imposed the quesion
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    I think we will. I volunteer with kids, but we have to be careful about the setup - parents are encouraged to stay and watch, everyone has CRB checks, etc. But at the moment there are certain aspects of current regulations that are unworkable: you are not allowed to be alone with a child, nor can you give a child a lift home, nor can you leave them and go home yourself.

    In the future I think we will become more accepting of paedophilia as a mental anomaly and treat it as such, rather than being set to auto-hate, which ought to ease our hysterical attitudes towards it - but of course, we'll continue to treat child abuse as the crime that it is.
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    I think we will. I volunteer with kids, but we have to be careful about the setup - parents are encouraged to stay and watch, everyone has CRB checks, etc. But at the moment there are certain aspects of current regulations that are unworkable: you are not allowed to be alone with a child, nor can you give a child a lift home, nor can you leave them and go home yourself.

    In the future I think we will become more accepting of paedophilia as a mental anomaly and treat it as such, rather than being set to auto-hate, which ought to ease our hysterical attitudes towards it - but of course, we'll continue to treat child abuse as the crime that it is.
    the issue isnt the auto-hate though - its the increasingly default setting (fed by media like the daily mail) that a man who wants to work with children must be sexually interested in them.

    When living in birmingham if i saw a child crying and alone, there is no way id go near it - and i wasnt the only one, the vast majority of my male friends (and more than a few of the women) wouldnt either - just in case.

    Your work is admirable but you walk an extremely dangerous path - a sniff, a bad word, even a child saying something that can be taken the wrong way and your damned.

    Thankfully where i live now - not so much of an issue
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    Its destroying community life and making it very difficult for good voluntary services to find volunteers.

    Children are growing up in fear and adults are living their lives in fear. The irony is the second those children turn 18, one can assume they will instantly become suspect too?

    Its just plain madness. What I dont understand is - there are children all over the world starving or victims of violence, war, forced labor etc and not a peep about it - yes sexual abuse is very wrong but its not the only thing that happens to children. I dont understand the collective neurosis we seem to have when it comes to anything sexual.

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    I worked with kids before and it was awful. Because I was waiting for the CRB check, I was allowed to look after the kids but I wasn't allowed to physically touch them e.g. put sunscreen on them or change their nappies.

    One of the teachers once told me to put sunscreen on one of the kids that was left behind so I said ok, and I started doing it. Suddenly one of the other teachers noticed me, run towards me and snatched the child away in horror as if I was about to rape her.

    So yeah, I don't think they only do it to male applicants... people are just genuinely paranoid when it comes to kids. It's ridiculous.
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    Yeah, I know what you mean. Yesterday I was walking behind a group of young girls, by coincidence it seemed they were using the exact route I was (which led directly into woods, no less) so I was pretty much walking behind them for quite a while. I couldn't help but feel very paranoid that people would think I was following them deliberately, even though I was just trying to get home.
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    To quote Scroobius Pip,

    "Thou shalt not think that any male over the age of 30 that plays with a child that is not their own is a paedophile.

    Some people are just nice."

    It is a ridiculous situation, not sure where you begin frankly
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    the issue isnt the auto-hate though - its the increasingly default setting (fed by media like the daily mail) that a man who wants to work with children must be sexually interested in them.

    When living in birmingham if i saw a child crying and alone, there is no way id go near it - and i wasnt the only one, the vast majority of my male friends (and more than a few of the women) wouldnt either - just in case.

    Your work is admirable but you walk an extremely dangerous path - a sniff, a bad word, even a child saying something that can be taken the wrong way and your damned.

    Thankfully where i live now - not so much of an issue
    Yes, you're right, the auto-hate towards paedophilia is separate from this attitude that to care for kids is suspicious. The culture of paranoia helps no one though, least of all the kids, so I do my best to do what I think is right regardless, though I would be the first to admit that it's hard and I don't more often than not.

    I don't think that it's particularly dangerous to do what I do. There are always a lot of witnesses watching what's going on, and I think the likelihood of getting falsely accused of something is low. But it is a risk that I take on board because the alternative of quitting because someone might try to ruin my life seems too cowardly to me.
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    (Original post by miser)
    Yes, you're right, the auto-hate towards paedophilia is separate from this attitude that to care for kids is suspicious. The culture of paranoia helps no one though, least of all the kids, so I do my best to do what I think is right regardless, though I would be the first to admit that it's hard and I don't more often than not.

    I don't think that it's particularly dangerous to do what I do. There are always a lot of witnesses watching what's going on, and I think the likelihood of getting falsely accused of something is low. But it is a risk that I take on board because the alternative of quitting because someone might try to ruin my life seems too cowardly to me.
    Another barrier to constructive, rational discourse on the matter is the conflation of the words "Paedophile" and "Child Molestor". As far as I am aware, they mean completely different things, but not in the media/everyday vernacular.

    If the agenda is to protect children, then what good does forcing paedophiles to deal with their issues on their own do? Surely they need support so as not to act?

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    It's awful that the media has hyped everyone up to think that every single stranger is a potential threat to their children, when in fact if paedophilia is the mental disorder a lot of people think it is, it should be no more common now than it was in the 70s when everyone let their children out to play by themselves a lot of the time... I work with Girl Guides and whilst I was on a first aid course that was supposed to show us how to protect children, half of the course was spent teaching us how not to get sued for assault and child molestation - we were actually told that it is a good idea to ask parents to sign a form giving us permission to give their children a hug on a pack holiday if they were upset and homesick. What are we supposed to do if a child comes to us crying because she misses her mum but we don't have permission to comfort her? Let her sit on her own?
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    Innocent until proven guilty. Frankly I think articles like this (published today) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21673703 speak volumes. I could care less about the men who are scared of being called paedophiles, the children who are abused by paedophiles are far more important and deserve to be listened to. The Saville Case proved that victims of sexual assault are not believed and are questioned mercilessly. Why should the victim be made to suffer even more? I think that's a much more important thing to be focussing on rather than the dubious likelihood of you being accused of raping a child.
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    (Original post by WannabeCrypto)
    As a male, I am becoming increasingly terrified to be anywhere near children, and I also wanted to be a Primary teacher when I was younger - but not anymore because of the modern social climate and paranoia surrounding it all.

    I have been in Scouts since I was like 10, and have continued to volunteer for the same group I grew up with because they need all the help they can get and I enjoy it a lot - but with the way things are going in this country I think I might pack that in if it continues to degenerate more.

    It only takes one false allegation or misplaced suspicion in a society like this for your life to be ruined needlessly. The facts wouldn't matter (No smoke without fire? Sometimes there wouldn't be a fire without an arsonist). The double standards and hippocrisy are shocking too.

    I think its crazy, very sad - and is doing a lot of harm to children to grow up in a world like this.
    I agree with you. It's just how it is though.
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    (Original post by edithwashere)
    Innocent until proven guilty. Frankly I think articles like this (published today) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21673703 speak volumes. I could care less about the men who are scared of being called paedophiles, the children who are abused by paedophiles are far more important and deserve to be listened to. The Saville Case proved that victims of sexual assault are not believed and are questioned mercilessly. Why should the victim be made to suffer even more? I think that's a much more important thing to be focussing on rather than the dubious likelihood of you being accused of raping a child.
    Not that I'm suggesting it's the case with that, but sometimes people lie just like how some women cry rape.

    I agree - 1 accusation can ruin a career, especially if the teacher/carer is male. A teacher at a local secondary school was accused of it by a bratty year 8 and it ruined his career and the guy wasn't even guilty. He left teaching and as far as I know has never returned. Of course, there are cases where they ARE guilty but this guy was destroyed by it. Another teacher at my brother's secondary school when he was in year 7 had set a task after teaching at the board, sat down at his computer... and forgot to turn the projector off. He thought that was an appropriate time to browse child pornography - he realised, did a runner and got as far as Scotland before being arrested. He's now in prison.

    I wouldn't NOT help a child who was lost or without a parent but I'd be very wary of touching them in a way that could be construed as inappropriate. Guiding them via an open palm on the back is about as far as I would go - I wouldn't rest my hand on their shoulder, hold their hand, pick them up, anything.
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    (Original post by WannabeCrypto)
    As a male, I am becoming increasingly terrified to be anywhere near children, and I also wanted to be a Primary teacher when I was younger - but not anymore because of the modern social climate and paranoia surrounding it all.

    I have been in Scouts since I was like 10, and have continued to volunteer for the same group I grew up with because they need all the help they can get and I enjoy it a lot - but with the way things are going in this country I think I might pack that in if it continues to degenerate more.

    It only takes one false allegation or misplaced suspicion in a society like this for your life to be ruined needlessly. The facts wouldn't matter (No smoke without fire? Sometimes there wouldn't be a fire without an arsonist). The double standards and hippocrisy are shocking too.

    I think its crazy, very sad - and is doing a lot of harm to children to grow up in a world like this.
    It's Paedogeddon!
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    (Original post by edithwashere)
    Innocent until proven guilty. Frankly I think articles like this (published today) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21673703 speak volumes. I could care less about the men who are scared of being called paedophiles, the children who are abused by paedophiles are far more important and deserve to be listened to. The Saville Case proved that victims of sexual assault are not believed and are questioned mercilessly. Why should the victim be made to suffer even more? I think that's a much more important thing to be focussing on rather than the dubious likelihood of you being accused of raping a child.
    You have completely missed the point, and to be honest, are part of the problem. This attitude has far reaching consequences on society.

    Nobody has suggested that children who have been abused shouldnt be listened to. Thats a straw man argument.

    The Saville case was exceptional, do you really think he would have got away with it for as long as he did if he wasn't who he was? You're being reactionary.

    All thats being argued here is there is a rotten culture in the UK where suspicion and paranoia are rife - where children are not allowed to be children and adults, especially men, are not allowed to persue their dream careers without putting up with a ton of bull****. There are charitable organisations who do good and essential work, who find it difficult to source volunteers and struggle on a daily basis.

    Cases of SUSPECTED child abuse should be dealt with discretely, and names/photographs not bandied about in the media, especially before a verdict. That can needlessly ruin an innocent man OR womans life.


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    (Original post by edithwashere)
    Innocent until proven guilty. Frankly I think articles like this (published today) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21673703 speak volumes. I could care less about the men who are scared of being called paedophiles, the children who are abused by paedophiles are far more important and deserve to be listened to. The Saville Case proved that victims of sexual assault are not believed and are questioned mercilessly. Why should the victim be made to suffer even more? I think that's a much more important thing to be focussing on rather than the dubious likelihood of you being accused of raping a child.
    You don't care that innocent men are disproportionately assumed to be paedophiles just because they happen spend time in the presence of children? Aren't primarily gender based double standards meant to be a big concern to you as a feminist?

    I wonder if you would have said, "I could care less about women who are scared of being called paedophiles," if this scenario were different.
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    You don't care that innocent men are disproportionately assumed to be paedophiles just because they happen spend time in the presence of children? Aren't primarily gender based double standards meant to be a big concern to you as a feminist?

    I wonder if you would have said, "I could care less about women who are scared of being called paedophiles," if this scenario were different.
    I just said I care more about the victims of sexual abuse than people who are wrongly accused of it. Don't try and make out that I'm being sexist :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by edithwashere)
    I just said I care more about the victims of sexual abuse than people who are wrongly accused of it. Don't try and make out that I'm being sexist :rolleyes:
    By definition, someone falsely accused IS the victim....

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