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    Right, so I'm about to embark on IOT and I've got a bit of a boot dilemma.

    Size 10: Great fit around the ankle, but feels tight around the toes
    Size 11: A bit loose around the ankle, but much more space for toes

    I've seen fitting guides and they all say that you must be able to wiggle toes and ankle should be firmly in place.

    So my questions is, which is worse? A loose ankle or tight toes?

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    Leather, when broken in, stretches.

    It does not shrink.



    Ergo, after a bit [lot] of wear, tightness around the toes can be stretched to give you space. Looseness around the ankles will always be there, causing your foot to move within the boot and giving you blisters, blisters you won't have time to recover from completely [especially during the first 4 weeks when you basically live in those boots] and will end up with ankles in tatters.

    Go for the 10s and stretch them out as best you can.
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    The boots come in three widths. Try different widths.
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    (Original post by AirPower)
    But will the toe area stretch? As I thought the toes and heels of boots are plastic to hold the shape.

    Forgot to mention that I have very wide feet, so I have no choice but to go for wide as had no chance with the other width sizing! Should have stated sizes as 10L and 11L really.
    You can still make them stretch out a bit. The caps in the heels and toes are not steel, they will bend substantially and give in. You can essentially do this by 'crushing' the toe box area. You'll have to get quite physical with them to form them.

    Failing any of the above, just persevere for the first few days, then talk to the DS and med centre about getting a chit for boots that will fit properly. When I was going through it was, if not liked then definitely tolerated, to get boots that are better for you - though at your own expense.
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    Am 11M might be better than an 11L for you. You really do need to try everything available before you start on another route. Also - what about insoles? Sorbothane was always the insole of choice and it takes up some space, which might push your foot higher and cause the ankle to fit better.
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    Failing any of the above, just persevere for the first few days, then talk to the DS and med centre about getting a chit for boots that will fit properly. When I was going through it was, if not liked then definitely tolerated, to get boots that are better for you - though at your own expense.
    Yep, a visit to the physios will ill fitting boots will probably lead to a chit for Altbergs.

    On Drewski's second point, I can't see how anyone can really take issue with it anymore - unless of course all the DS were to where issue CABs (which fit me like Wooky Hole caves). If they have that much of a problem they could make it like PT, where you parade in your issue Silver Shadows before putting real trainers on.
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    (Original post by AirPower)
    Interesting about insoles, I thought they would only help to reduce the volume of the boot, but are there certain ones which could almost force the ankle back into the heel of the boot?
    Trick with insoles is the type. Sorbothanes are great - I had a pair of their gel double strikes in my combat boots throughout IOT and never had so much as an ache. However, they won't assist the fit in the best possible way. For something to actually hold and support the foot a lot better you'd be better looking at the Superfeet range of insoles. They have a number of different types that suit different shapes and sizes of feet/heels/arches/etc. They cost a bit more, but for the amount you're going to be on your feet they'd be well worth it.

    [Fwiw, I've worked in running and walking boot specialist stores as well as in the ski world, so have a bit of experience with fitting footwear like this, on top of all the RAF-guff... so much utterly bizarre and useless knowledge...]
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    Your ankle and your heel are two different parts of your foot. I was talking about ankle, you appear to be talking about heel. Which one do YOU mean?
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    (Original post by AirPower)
    It's the heel I'm on about which slips slightly in the size 11, and is held in place with size 10.



    Just realised I have a pair of Cush n Step insoles which I believe are made by Sorbothane in an old pair of boots, just tried these (in the size 11), and is much comfier, but can still feel my heel slipping slightly when going up stairs etc. Those Superfeet insoles do look interesting, but like you said, they are very expensive! Could almost buy another pair of boots for that money!

    What I'm thinking is that with the little space in the size 10 for my toes, I wont be able to use better insoles (as presumably they will be thicker than the paper thin ones provided) or thicker socks in the winter. But with the size 11s I can use better insoles and thicker socks. Or is that all trivial if my heel isn't supported properly?

    I suppose I'm going back to my original question; which is worse, a slightly slipping heel or constricted toes?
    How constricted are your toes? Is it just that the toes touch the end of the boot? Or are they 'scrunched up'?

    How much do your heels slip? If only ever so slightly, I'd go for them.
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    (Original post by AirPower)
    But will the toe area stretch? As I thought the toes and heels of boots are plastic to hold the shape.



    Forgot to mention that I have very wide feet, so I have no choice but to go for wide as had no chance with the other width sizing! Should have stated sizes as 10L and 11L really.
    depends on the sort of boot - often the toe are is reinforced though - if you have the laces really tight it may fit properly or wear thicker socks?
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    Are you getting them laced up properly? If the laces are in the right place they should be pulling your heel back into the heel cup. If they are too wide they will tighten right up and your foot will still slop about. That width is usually more in the main part of the foot and not the toe box, so you might have a narrow foot from your toes to your heel which will mean any wide boot is too wide and won't tighten up properly.
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    I'm not certain but when I went through my basics they did half sizes - they had to be ordered though. This may just be for ladies.


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    You put tubigrip on your foot under the sock?

    No - that is not an answer. 3 pairs of socks is not an answer. 2 pairs at very best but not three and not tubigrip as standard. You'll have massive foot problems if you do.
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    Mine were a bit tight around the ball of my foot when I first got them (I have really wide feet), so I took the advice of my ex-military father and put them in a pillowcase and beat the seven bells out of them with a cricket bat for 10 minutes. Lo and behold, they fitted.
    Also, don't wear tubigrips or anything apart from socks inside the boots. They will bunch up, you will get blisters and you will have a terrible time...
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    You might have freaky feet, but you might just not be used to boots. I take it you are not a regular wearer of boots? At the very most, you want no more than a pair of liner socks and a hiking / issue sock. Nothing more. If you do, you'll tear your feet to shreds.

    If anything, try proper volume reducers - either full footbeds or tapered heel sections, for example:
    http://www.tauntonleisure.com/walkin...reducers/p3361
    They go under the insole. If they don't help, you need help!
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    Remember also that your feet change shape while you wear boots. The more you runaround and the longer you stay in boots throughout the day, the more your feet swell. What feels loose to begin with won't necessarily stay loose.
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    tight toes deffo
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    Tight toes are probably worse as the skin is softer and thinner...usually. If your boots are badly fitting around the toes they could get ripped to shreds when you walk. Best to go for the larger size and use insoles to counter the heel problem.
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    (Original post by AirPower)
    For those interested, I finally found a solution to my boot problem!

    After trying on lots of different insoles I found the best combo of a "cush n step" insole (ideally wanted the sorbothane full strike but was just too thin) with a half insole underneath which raises my heel slightly making it nice and secure at the back of the boot.

    I just hope the half insole stays put, feels pretty secure, but think I'll be taking some super glue to IOT just incase!
    Take spares with you. After time, insoles pad out - the foam loses it's elasticity and won't regain the same shape/dimensions - and so will be ineffective at relieving pain/discomfort. You'll need to be able to replace them when you need to, not when you can next get to the Blacks in Lincoln - which could be days away.
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    (Original post by AirPower)
    Right, so I'm about to embark on IOT and I've got a bit of a boot dilemma.

    Size 10: Great fit around the ankle, but feels tight around the toes
    Size 11: A bit loose around the ankle, but much more space for toes

    I've seen fitting guides and they all say that you must be able to wiggle toes and ankle should be firmly in place.

    So my questions is, which is worse? A loose ankle or tight toes?

    Cheers
    Go for loose. If the CABs cause you any issues whilst in training then head down to the med centre asap and get a CHIT for your own boots/Alt-Bergs. Which IOT intake are you?
 
 
 
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