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    (Original post by dj1015)
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...ty_06_03_2013/

    So with Labour back to coping the tories and now pandering to the UKIP vote, can we really trust Miliband and Balls on such disparate issues?
    What do you think this is? Its filthy, dirty underhand politics pure and simple. Labour want power so they do anything to get it. Sticking to your principles never works, just look at the Lib Dems
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    (Original post by chefdave)
    I would say the state is oversized because it has to borrow ~£500 million per day just to keep ticking over, if that's not an 'organisation' spiralling out of control I don't what is.
    Yes, governments borrow money, they've always borrowed money, it's what governments do.

    If you take any measure: public debt, borrowing, the amount of tax it collects in relation to GDP or the amount of legislation we have to abide by they all increased enormously under New Labour: and the coalition picked up exactly where they left off.
    With the exception of legislation (can you provide some actual proof of that one btw?), these things increased during the recession rather than under New Labour in general. In fact, New Labour in general ran low deficits, until the crisis started never more than about 3% of GDP.

    And as a comparison, the Spanish government in the same time period were running surpluses and still ended up in a mess (and a bigger one than us) when the crisis hit.

    The reason immigration is so high is because we've allowed it to open, the invention of planes doesn't trump the government's right to determine who gets to stay in the country, mass uncontrolled immigration then is a political decision. One that wasn't legitimised by the people.
    The first restriction on immigration to the UK of any kind was in 1905 and that was gone by the end of WW1. Until the modern passport system was introduced by the League of Nations after WW1, there were practically no immigration restrictions anywhere.

    Apart from EU immigration (which was established by the Tories in the Maastricht Treaty in 1992), immigration has been getting increasingly more restricted since the first restrictions were brought in.
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    what do you want them to do? It's better to change your beliefs rather than stick to bad ones.
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    (Original post by Tabzqt)
    what do you want them to do? It's better to change your beliefs rather than stick to bad ones.
    Agreed. But what promises have we got that they'll introduce policies of their recent enlightenment. Especially when most of the immagrants have a habit of voting labour.

    It was like asking the Banks to cut back on risky derivates themselves whilst still making huge profits.

    Labour will say and do anything whilst they're in opposition.

    Anybody remember Tony Blair getting into power on the back of no further Privatisation of the NHS......and then when he got in saying that he'd carry on with previous policies.

    Alex Salmonds promise of an increase in Government spending and lowering of taxes after Independence, whilst now being found out having to implement the opposite.
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    (Original post by sevchenko)
    What do you think this is? Its filthy, dirty underhand politics pure and simple. Labour want power so they do anything to get it. Sticking to your principles never works, just look at the Lib Dems
    Does anybody else cringe at the mere thought of this person representing us on the International stage?

    I know I'm going to get accused of Fascism. But how would that work with dealing with Middle Eastern countries?
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    Does anybody else cringe at the mere thought of this person representing us on the International stage?

    I know I'm going to get accused of Fascism. But how would that work with dealing with Middle Eastern countries?
    I'm sure our Foreign Secretary will be dealing with other countries
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    Labour are a disgusting excuse for a political party, abandoned all their main principles and have no convictions. Not to mention they completely farked the country up last time they were in power.

    If they get elected in 2015 it just goes to show the incredibly short memories of the electorate.
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    I kinda hope Labour win the next election just to really annoy all these populist ukip supporters
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    (Original post by sevchenko)
    I'm sure our Foreign Secretary will be dealing with other countries
    Really? And who does he report to?

    Which rather large country has Cameron just come back from trying to drum up business?
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    (Original post by Alex_Jones)
    I kinda hope Labour win the next election just to really annoy all these populist ukip supporters
    And Labour aren't populist?

    Labour Supporter... I want you to borrow more money to give me free stuff.
    Labour....OK. Lets ruin the countrys future and live for today.

    It's not really populist is it though when it's the 3 rd largest party?
    It's not really populist for a party to represent the views of the people

    If we're treating populist politics like that, why not go down the Fascist and Totalitarian route and get rid of the vote? Although I think an awful lot on the left would actually like that. I find it amazing that the left criticise the right, yet it's the right that tends to be the most democratic.

    This is why I don't like party politics. I want to get back to the old days of British Politics when MPs looked after their constituents. Remember that Politics isn't just about the Dumb people who blindly follow one party. It's about people voting for what they want to.
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    Vote Labour for more EU and more uncontrolled immigration.

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    Vote labour if you want an alternative to this backward economic policy.


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    Labour is swinging to the right because they are realising that their ridiculous 'progressive' (i.e London) agenda isn't at all appealing to their traditional working class voters. I think UKIP could pick up a lot of votes in this area; indeed they seem to be swiping a fair few votes off Labour already.

    And I would sincerely appeal to anyone reading this, please, please please do not vote Labour in 2015. That would be a grave mistake.
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    (Original post by Woopadoopscoop)
    Vote labour if you want an alternative to this backward economic policy.


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    How's it back ward? You're going to have to explain how cutting back the level of public spending to what it used to be is backward? Or shall we all suffer to keep those public sector none jobs that labour created going?
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    (Original post by Woopadoopscoop)
    Vote labour if you want an alternative to this backward economic policy.


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    Is this post for real?

    We are not cutting enough in my opinion.
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    (Original post by dj1015)
    Is this post for real?

    We are not cutting enough in my opinion.
    You do realise that contractionary fiscal policy hinders economic growth, right?

    If you want to see the debt repaid as soon as possible, neutering the economy is a funny way to do it. Cuts do have to be made but they have to be phased in gradually.
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    (Original post by Redolent)
    You do realise that contractionary fiscal policy hinders economic growth, right?

    If you want to see the debt repaid as soon as possible, neutering the economy is a funny way to do it. Cuts do have to be made but they have to be phased in gradually.
    taxes should also be cut.

    regardless of the outcome, public spending is far to high.
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    (Original post by Redolent)
    You do realise that contractionary fiscal policy hinders economic growth, right?

    If you want to see the debt repaid as soon as possible, neutering the economy is a funny way to do it. Cuts do have to be made but they have to be phased in gradually.
    I like the way you've deliberately confused the public sector with the economy. You may fool some people with your propaganda but you won't fool me! All things being equal tax cuts will encourage private sector production because they act as an incentive for firms and workers to produce, workers are much more likely to work when additional output finds it's way into their pay packets. There's no reason to phase this in gradually,we need to be doing this sort of thing asap.
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    (Original post by chefdave)
    I like the way you've deliberately confused the public sector with the economy. You may fool some people with your propaganda but you won't fool me! All things being equal tax cuts will encourage private sector production because they act as an incentive for firms and workers to produce, workers are much more likely to work when additional output finds it's way into their pay packets. There's no reason to phase this in gradually,we need to be doing this sort of thing asap.
    They're not cutting taxes
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    (Original post by Redolent)
    They're not cutting taxes
    I know, they're raising them. This is why so many Tories are defecting to UKIP.
 
 
 
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