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    (Original post by Cheech23)
    Im sorry what? who said i didnt understand it.

    Im just perplexed by the supposed "Less Shallow Gender" being arguably more shallow. Hence all the insecure comments of "PHOTOSHOPPED" when there is an attractive girl photo.
    This is what it seems that you don't understand and admitted you were perplexed about:

    We are less shallow when it comes to judging our partners and more harsh when it comes to judging our own sex.

    Men are harsh when judging the looks of their partners but far more lenient towards the brotherhood of men.

    And when you bear that in mind, we have double pressure - both from men and from women. I'm not posing a solution but trying to make clear the picture.

    Attractive in a photo is subjective. Some might not genuinely agree with your perception of beauty anyway. Not everyone thinks that being really athletic is attractive. I think athleticism in women is nice to a point, but me and you, we might disagree strongly on certain individuals. Doesnt mean I'm going out of my way to insult the woman though.
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    (Original post by SillyMilly)
    I think alot of women feel pressured

    There is far to much pressure on women
    No more than for men.
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    Yeah but does anyone actually care what these jealous out of shape girls think. In shape girls who workout regularly aren't crying their eyes out because average girls don't think they're real.
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    (Original post by maskofsanity)
    No more than for men.
    oh No I totally agree men feel that they need to be muscular etc but again thats all down to the media say all the men on aftershave adverts have rippling six packs. I just think its totally wrong that if a women is curvy at say a size 10 for people to call her fat or a size 6 women to be called skinny because either way it makes somebody feel pressured
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    (Original post by maskofsanity)
    No more than for men.
    Women have more pressure.
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    (Original post by Eveiebaby)
    Women have more pressure.
    Self Imposed pressure dont you think??
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    (Original post by Cheech23)
    Reading a few threads on here related to what boys prefer, and there was a few pictures of girls who looked insanely good looking, tight curvacous bums and quite frankly are really attractive.

    What I cant quite seem to gather is the fact that as soon as there are pictures of girls like this it is automatically - PHOTOSHOPPED!!! REAL GIRLS ARENT LIKE THAT.

    So real girls arent attractive?

    It is easily achieveable to get bodies like that, goin a gym work hard and with some determination it WILL happen. Over time of course, but it WILL happen. Not everything is photoshopped.

    Thats quite disrespectful to all the girls that have put in the work to achieve those types of body shapes. Now im not saying that photoshopping doesnt exist as it does, but dont assume that everything is photoshopped.

    When you say real girls - is that slightly overweight, and droopy ass bum cheeks as im sorry girls that isnt attractive.

    Its the same for muscular guys and skinny guys, youd choose the muscular guy over the skinny guy every time so dont get annoyed when guys are going gaga over girls with attractive bums and boobs.

    Hate the term "real" as a substitute for less attractive almost as if the other girls are fake just because they've put in the hard work.

    Im sorry but the "real" girl to me is someone who has chosen to better themselves and doesnt moan or complain or put other girls down based on their appearance, (im not saying i wont go out with someone who hasnt but id prefer someone who actually takes care of themselves) they may be better looking but they arent dis-respectful to girls who havent done the hard work. It almost comes across as very bitter/jealous when other girls say that they arent real. Believe me if you had a chance to wake up the next day with the same body you will NOT refuse.
    Well yes, look at girls attitudes towards the gym.
    Guys go to get massive, to become the best they can.
    Most girls go to simply lose weight as they are fat, to become normal. The modern girl is just lazy, apathetic, and depressed.




    (Original post by Future African game vet)
    I suppose the same thing could be said about men. there is thread after thread made by men on here saying "girls... do you like my new hair style?" or "girls, do I look better now I have muscled up?" or "girls, do you like muscled or skinny guys?"

    to be honest... it's all personal preference. Sure there are some men who look more attractive than others, but beauty is int he eye of the beholder. for instance. A lot of people like Peter Andre... I think he looks like a rat... and I DONT really like muscled men, I like skinny guys!

    I do see what you mean about girls saying those things- and a lot of the time it is mainly because they are insecure with what they have been given to work with. We are our own harshest critics, and practically anyone will try and make up for their own deficiencies by making less positive observations about others; male OR female - no one is immune. There is a guy in my year who works out and is crazzzzily well muscled - what do all the other guys who work out part time say? "ooh he must be on steroids..."

    I think it's just natural- of course its not really fair or right, but it's human nature.
    A lot of jacked guys normally are on roids, or at least supplements as they are very easy to get hold of, HOWEVER this does not mean what they have achieved is easy or simple and most guys realise this. At least we acknowledge that lifting weight got them to that stage, not that they only exist in photoshop.


    (Original post by Eveiebaby)
    Women have more pressure.
    Bull**** :rofl: It is far worse for men as every major male model is jacked, which takes an insane diet and exercise program...and its been like this for over 2000 years.
    Where as women just have to eat normal amounts, eat healthily, and do a bit of exercise. That's it.
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    (Original post by Jimbo1234)
    Well yes, look at girls attitudes towards the gym.
    Guys go to get massive, to become the best they can.
    Most girls go to simply lose weight as they are fat, to become normal. The modern girl is just lazy, apathetic, and depressed.






    A lot of jacked guys normally are on roids, or at least supplements as they are very easy to get hold of, HOWEVER this does not mean what they have achieved is easy or simple and most guys realise this. At least we acknowledge that lifting weight got them to that stage, not that they only exist in photoshop.




    Bull**** :rofl: It is far worse for men as every major male model is jacked, which takes an insane diet and exercise program...and its been like this for over 2000 years.
    Where as women just have to eat normal amounts, eat healthily, and do a bit of exercise. That's it.
    fair enough
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    (Original post by Cheech23)
    Self Imposed pressure dont you think??
    Yes agreed. But as I said before - Men have much narrower ideas about what makes a woman attractive compared to women's ideas about men. I think it's a double pressure personally.

    We can be self hating, but men expect us to be conventionally beautiful too.
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    (Original post by Jimbo1234)
    Bull**** :rofl: It is far worse for men as every major male model is jacked, which takes an insane diet and exercise program...and its been like this for over 2000 years.
    Where as women just have to eat normal amounts, eat healthily, and do a bit of exercise. That's it.
    Most high fashion male models are slim and androgynous looking. AND there is a much wider range of accepted attractiveness for men than there is for women. A lot of women, contrary to your beliefs don't hold JACKED as the aesthetic ideal, although I realise that men appreciate other men more for having larger muscles etc.

    I'm not suggesting that men have no pressure at all. Please re-read my posts in the thread.

    However the combined pressure for women to have nice bodies is greater. Physical attractiveness is under narrower limits of convention and more highly prized in women than it is in men. Also women can be catty and over critical to other women which intensifies the problem.
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    (Original post by Eveiebaby)
    Women have more pressure.
    No, they dont. You are biased.
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    (Original post by Jimbo1234)

    Bull**** :rofl: It is far worse for men as every major male model is jacked, which takes an insane diet and exercise program...and its been like this for over 2000 years.
    Where as women just have to eat normal amounts, eat healthily, and do a bit of exercise. That's it.
    :lol:

    So it's easy for girls to get that flat stomach, smooth thighs, perfect peachy bum, toned arms, slim legs...? All we have to do is eat normally and healthy and exercise "a bit"? Sorry, but you are wrong. :dontknow:

    For example - I eat very healthily, work out everyday, and although I am slim I am under no illusions, my body is very far from the "ideal" that is always portrayed. To get closer to that ideal I would have to do a crazy amount of exercise, not just "a bit".

    Also - genetics have a much larger part to play in the female figure than it does the male. Boobs / bum / waist / etc - a large part of it is due to genetics and if you haven't got it, then no amount of working out is going to get you there 100%.

    I'm not saying that men aren't under pressure to look a certain way - of course they are. I just don't agree with the fact that you seem to think it's "easy" for women to get that figure. I personally don't think there is as much pressure on guys, but even if there was, you can't argue with the fact that this pressure is experienced by girls much, much earlier and is therefore a lot stronger.

    Just my personal opinion :dontknow:
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    Girls may have a greater tendency to putting down one another's looks, but isn't that what you'd expect given the particular emphasis which is placed on female appearance? Women's appearance is just very much in the focus, very much discussed by women - and where there is discussion a proportion of people will be *****es and say things which reflect their own insecurity.

    (Going on this site) men are much more likely to ***** about certain aspects of dating (eg: all guys who get girls are "jerks" is a common, equivalent jealousy/insecurity sentiment) because this is an area in which they feel societal pressure. Likewise, most men don't think like this. It isn't an intrinsic part of being male. But where there is pressure, there is discussion, where there is discussion, some people will *****.
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    (Original post by Eveiebaby)
    Yes agreed. But as I said before - Men have much narrower ideas about what makes a woman attractive compared to women's ideas about men. I think it's a double pressure personally.

    We can be self hating, but men expect us to be conventionally beautiful too.
    Or men don't cloud how they feel with vast amounts of emotional problems.

    Both men and women have ideal features, men like women to have good bums, boobs, flat stomach, hips, waist etc, just as women like men to have big shoulders, 6 pack etc - just look at ALL artwork from Ancient Greece to now.

    However the only ones who say they don't like this are the ones who are fat and/or ugly and warp reality to justify why they are getting the dregs.


    (Original post by emilie18)
    :lol:

    So it's easy for girls to get that flat stomach, smooth thighs, perfect peachy bum, toned arms, slim legs...? All we have to do is eat normally and healthy and exercise "a bit"? Sorry, but you are wrong. :dontknow:
    Actually yes, that's it. You don't have to bulk, just do mild cutting.


    For example - I eat very healthily, work out everyday, and although I am slim I am under no illusions, my body is very far from the "ideal" that is always portrayed. To get closer to that ideal I would have to do a crazy amount of exercise, not just "a bit".
    Or you idea of "a bit of exercise" varies greatly from mine, and you don't know what a clean diet is.


    Also - genetics have a much larger part to play in the female figure than it does the male. Boobs / bum / waist / etc - a large part of it is due to genetics and if you haven't got it, then no amount of working out is going to get you there 100%.
    And here is the proof that you have no idea what you are on about. ANY woman can get a good bum. It's a muscle for gods sake, so unless you can't get it to grow, you're just wrong.


    I'm not saying that men aren't under pressure to look a certain way - of course they are. I just don't agree with the fact that you seem to think it's "easy" for women to get that figure. I personally don't think there is as much pressure on guys, but even if there was, you can't argue with the fact that this pressure is experienced by girls much, much earlier and is therefore a lot stronger.

    Just my personal opinion :dontknow:
    It is easier for women. You don't need major defined abs, huge arms, legs, pecs - just a flat stomach. That is easier.


    (Original post by Eveiebaby)
    Most high fashion male models are slim and androgynous looking. AND there is a much wider range of accepted attractiveness for men than there is for women. A lot of women, contrary to your beliefs don't hold JACKED as the aesthetic ideal, although I realise that men appreciate other men more for having larger muscles etc.

    I'm not suggesting that men have no pressure at all. Please re-read my posts in the thread.

    However the combined pressure for women to have nice bodies is greater. Physical attractiveness is under narrower limits of convention and more highly prized in women than it is in men. Also women can be catty and over critical to other women which intensifies the problem.
    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ar...7WgPgL#imgrc=_

    Just no....

    If women don't like guys in good shape eg. Brad Pitt, then there is a reason eg because they're fat and know they can't get a guy like that. But, that does not mean they are not attractive.
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    (Original post by maskofsanity)
    No, they dont. You are biased.
    Even if they had equal amounts of pressure (which I don't think they do), girls experience this pressure way earlier on than guys do. Which makes it a lot more detrimental - when girls of 6, 7 years old think they need to diet, something's clearly wrong.
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    Those photos probably were photoshopped, and taken from porno magazines.
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    (Original post by Eveiebaby)
    Yes agreed. But as I said before - Men have much narrower ideas about what makes a woman attractive compared to women's ideas about men. I think it's a double pressure personally.

    We can be self hating, but men expect us to be conventionally beautiful too.
    Trust us men on this, the majority of the pressure comes from you women, not us.

    Sure we have our preferences, but you women care a lot more than we do, and you make each other care a lot more. As men, we still have pressure on us, but we also have more of it in other areas where women really don't. How often is a girl expected to stand up and physically defend a guy? How often are women judged on the money they make or the car they drive? Maybe there's more pressure on your looks, maybe, but there's not more pressure when you add it all together.
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    (Original post by Jimbo1234)
    The modern girl is just lazy, apathetic, and depressed.
    Statements like these are very unfair and extremely rude. Jimbo, I'm sorry to say that you come across as a very aggrieved person. I don't know in what way you've been aggrieved by women, or society - but try to remember that ordinary, pleasant women on this site have done nothing to you but still have to read all of your vitriol, and that's not very pleasant for them.
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    (Original post by Cheech23)
    Reading a few threads on here related to what boys prefer, and there was a few pictures of girls who looked insanely good looking, tight curvacous bums and quite frankly are really attractive.

    What I cant quite seem to gather is the fact that as soon as there are pictures of girls like this it is automatically - PHOTOSHOPPED!!! REAL GIRLS ARENT LIKE THAT.

    So real girls arent attractive?

    It is easily achieveable to get bodies like that, goin a gym work hard and with some determination it WILL happen. Over time of course, but it WILL happen. Not everything is photoshopped.

    Thats quite disrespectful to all the girls that have put in the work to achieve those types of body shapes. Now im not saying that photoshopping doesnt exist as it does, but dont assume that everything is photoshopped.

    When you say real girls - is that slightly overweight, and droopy ass bum cheeks as im sorry girls that isnt attractive.

    Its the same for muscular guys and skinny guys, youd choose the muscular guy over the skinny guy every time so dont get annoyed when guys are going gaga over girls with attractive bums and boobs.

    Hate the term "real" as a substitute for less attractive almost as if the other girls are fake just because they've put in the hard work.

    Im sorry but the "real" girl to me is someone who has chosen to better themselves and doesnt moan or complain or put other girls down based on their appearance, (im not saying i wont go out with someone who hasnt but id prefer someone who actually takes care of themselves) they may be better looking but they arent dis-respectful to girls who havent done the hard work. It almost comes across as very bitter/jealous when other girls say that they arent real. Believe me if you had a chance to wake up the next day with the same body you will NOT refuse.
    This is one of those things that works, except when it doesn't. Real girls don't look like that. Except when they do.
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    (Original post by Jimbo1234)
    Well yes, look at girls attitudes towards the gym.
    Guys go to get massive, to become the best they can.
    Most girls go to simply lose weight as they are fat, to become normal. The modern girl is just lazy, apathetic, and depressed.






    A lot of jacked guys normally are on roids, or at least supplements as they are very easy to get hold of, HOWEVER this does not mean what they have achieved is easy or simple and most guys realise this. At least we acknowledge that lifting weight got them to that stage, not that they only exist in photoshop.




    Bull**** :rofl: It is far worse for men as every major male model is jacked, which takes an insane diet and exercise program...and its been like this for over 2000 years.
    Where as women just have to eat normal amounts, eat healthily, and do a bit of exercise. That's it.
    So basically if a guy doesn't spend loads of time at the gym and trying to become "jacked", no girl is ever going to go out with him, ever? Um, no, not really. I actually do prefer skinny guys as a rule, facial features matter more to be in terms of appearance than a guys figure. Guys exercise a bit to stop themselves getting fat, girls exercise a bit to stop getting fat. Guys exercise like crazy to get their "ideal" figure, girls exercise and diet like crazy to get their "ideal" figure. If I want to look like Jessica Ennis I'd have to start working like her. And both genders will have issues with their body shape, I'm a pear shaped person so I will never be one of super skinny, tiny bum types even if I did exercise like mad. Nor am I ever going to have massive breasts without the use of plastic surgery. Some guys find it relatively easy to get a six pack, others don't. I don't care about six packs though and I wish men would stop assuming we all want ridiculously muscular men.
 
 
 
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