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    I think UK should hold onto the pound with all its might and NEVER use the Euro

    I think the UK should leave the EU and trade more with the dynamic economies of the commonwealth

    I think the money the UK spends directly funding the EU (and the billions lost through excess regulation from the EU) could be much better spent investing in UK infrastructure (especially to revive the areas of the UK outside of the SE and London).

    We never got to vote the EU president or the various treaties which have systematically made the EU more federal and more powerful.

    The EU wants to fine London for breaching pollution limits-this is utter madness and an abomination to UK sovereignty!
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    Leaving the EU would enable us, free of EU regulations, to revert to what we have done for centuries without any help from Europe – trade profitably and freely and in our own best interests with the rest of the world. At the same time, our growth in GDP, and that of other countries especially in the English-speaking world, would be boosted far beyond the miserly levels it is enjoying (if that is the word) currently.

    The UK would also be free to restore its agricultural and fishing industries – based on two of our greatest natural assets – instead of being vulnerably dependent upon the EU for most of our basic foodstuffs.

    The rest of the world is a much bigger market, and the UK is a truly global trading nation. Being in the EU prevents Britain from negotiating trade deals with other countries which would be far more beneficial to our interests, to say nothing of our balance of payments. It also deprives the second largest international trading nation of a seat at the WTO.

    Lobbyists like Mr Anderson represent the big hitters. Just look at his client list and the financial institutions who support them. He and others like him are paid to apply pressure on the EU to legislate – that is, add compliance controls to their industries and businesses – which smaller enterprises then find virtually impossible to meet.

    Thus is the threat of competition from new enterprises crushed.

    You don’t need to be a von Mises to know that lobbying is – by definition – always at the disadvantage of those who are not involved, whatever the reason.
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    As the Leader of the Pro-Europe Society on here, it is in the UK's NATIONAL INTEREST to remain in the EU. That way we could reform it from the inside. Economics aswell because most of our exports goes to Europe.

    You cannot reform it from the outside and we would be left in isolation if we did leave
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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    As the Leader of the Pro-Europe Society on here, it is in the UK's NATIONAL INTEREST to remain in the EU. That way we could reform it from the inside. Economics aswell because most of our exports goes to Europe
    :ditto:

    The people who want to leave the EU are dreadfully uninformed and don't know the facts and just follow what ever UKIP/Daily Mail spouts to them. If we left the EU, millions of jobs of lost, this is because around 45% of our exports go to the EU, now imagine if a load of firms who ship to Europe as part of their customer base and now because of tariffs put in place due to being outside of the EU, this would cripple many SME's.

    With America's economy not being exactly a beacon of strength and China's slowing, we're really going to need trading partners at this point and it could be years before real Commonwealth trading routes are set up.

    As Morgsie said, we should reform it from the inside.
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    If I had my way, the UK would be integrating more
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    Don't care much for the current EU, am totally pro-'United States of Europe' as it could be a good thing if people weren't so ****ing useless, the UK remaining in the EU is obviously to our benefit economically.
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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    As the Leader of the Pro-Europe Society on here, it is in the UK's NATIONAL INTEREST to remain in the EU. That way we could reform it from the inside. Economics aswell because most of our exports goes to Europe.

    You cannot reform it from the outside and we would be left in isolation if we did leave
    Practically, though, would we have much of a say? Are France and Germany and all the rest really going to let us reorganise the EU to suit our needs?
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    (Original post by Superunknown17)
    :ditto:

    The people who want to leave the EU are dreadfully uninformed and don't know the facts and just follow what ever UKIP/Daily Mail spouts to them. If we left the EU, millions of jobs of lost, this is because around 45% of our exports go to the EU, now imagine if a load of firms who ship to Europe as part of their customer base and now because of tariffs put in place due to being outside of the EU, this would cripple many SME's.

    With America's economy not being exactly a beacon of strength and China's slowing, we're really going to need trading partners at this point and it could be years before real Commonwealth trading routes are set up.

    As Morgsie said, we should reform it from the inside.
    Norway and Switzerland are certainly not struggling staying out the EU

    Plus we would save a lot of money directly and indirectly by not funding the EU and removing excess regulation -i.e having to waste cucumbers because EU regulations dictate they ahve to be a certain shape and the fact they want to fine London £300m -this should be illegal,parliament fails to stand up for democracy in UK by allowing EU law to trump UK law -after all who voted for the EU president?

    We are a net loser in terms of funding the EU

    A referendum is definitely in order and the rise of UKIP shows a lot of people agree!

    Also the Commonwealth include some of the most dynamic economies in the world and a much larger market (in population terms primarily) with a higher rate of growth
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    (Original post by a729)
    Norway and Switzerland are certainly not struggling staying out the EU

    Plus we would save a lot of money directly and indirectly by not funding the EU and removing excess regulation -i.e having to waste cucumbers because EU regulations dictate they ahve to be a certain shape and the fact they want to fine London £300m -this should be illegal,parliament fails to stand up for democracy in UK by allowing EU law to trump UK law -after all who voted for the EU president?

    We are a net loser in terms of funding the EU

    A referendum is definitely in order and the rise of UKIP shows a lot of people agree!

    Also the Commonwealth include some of the most dynamic economies in the world and a much larger market (in population terms primarily) with a higher rate of growth
    We would lose all representation in the Institutions if we became part of EFTA
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    (Original post by tjf8)
    Practically, though, would we have much of a say? Are France and Germany and all the rest really going to let us reorganise the EU to suit our needs?
    We should be working constructively with other states, not lecturing from the sidelines
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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    We should be working constructively with other states, not lecturing from the sidelines
    Given that you favour staying in the EU because of the possibilities of reform, would you still vote to stay in it if we could achieve no concessions and nothing changed from how it is now?
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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    We would lose all representation in the Institutions if we became part of EFTA
    Russia has managed to trade with the EU without joining it OR the EFTA (for that matter)

    Also we'd save around £40million a day (Imagine if that was given back to the people of the UK in terms of lower taxes especially for the poor)

    Also we'd be free from undemocratic laws and regulations been imposed upon us from an unelected body
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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    As the Leader of the Pro-Europe Society on here, it is in the UK's NATIONAL INTEREST to remain in the EU. That way we could reform it from the inside. Economics aswell because most of our exports goes to Europe.

    You cannot reform it from the outside and we would be left in isolation if we did leave
    The Pro-Europe Society isn't real.

    What your arguing is just scaremongering. How can you possibly know for certain that we would be isolated outside of the EU?
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    (Original post by tomcol23)
    The Pro-Europe Society isn't real.

    What your arguing is just scaremongering. How can you possibly know for certain that we would be isolated outside of the EU?
    Thank you!
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    (Original post by a729)
    Thank you!
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    (Original post by tomcol23)
    Goody gumdrops
    I've never ever heard of this phrase?
    I googled it and it sounds like an expression of joy ?
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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    If I had my way, the UK would be integrating more
    If you had your way the UK would probably be in the EUSSR*

    *not to ludicrous considering how federal the EU is growing
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    (Original post by a729)
    Norway and Switzerland are certainly not struggling staying out the EU

    Plus we would save a lot of money directly and indirectly by not funding the EU and removing excess regulation -i.e having to waste cucumbers because EU regulations dictate they ahve to be a certain shape and the fact they want to fine London £300m -this should be illegal,parliament fails to stand up for democracy in UK by allowing EU law to trump UK law -after all who voted for the EU president?

    We are a net loser in terms of funding the EU

    A referendum is definitely in order and the rise of UKIP shows a lot of people agree!

    Also the Commonwealth include some of the most dynamic economies in the world and a much larger market (in population terms primarily) with a higher rate of growth
    We wouldn't get nearly the same deal as Norway and Switzerland. Basically they're in the economic union without being in the political one.

    That's what we need to reform, obviously everyone here isn't happy with the EU dictating law to us but honestly, I've done a whole year of economics work on the EU, without it we'd be screwed.

    Wales and Scotland are net gainers.

    Perhaps, but UKIP are a party full of bigoted, useless bunch of *ahem* politicians. UKIP are said to be radical but in fact they're just bottom of the barrel policies that even the Tories wouldn't support. All people see when they think about the EU is immigrants (4 million Bulgarians out of 7 million? yeah, quality facts there by UKIP) and the EU dictating laws to us. They don't see the massive export market it provides and the jobs that would be lost without it.

    Yes, they are but it would take years to set up trade routes, we need growth sooner rather than later.
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    (Original post by a729)
    I think UK should hold onto the pound with all its might and NEVER use the Euro

    I think the UK should leave the EU and trade more with the dynamic economies of the commonwealth

    I think the money the UK spends directly funding the EU (and the billions lost through excess regulation from the EU) could be much better spent investing in UK infrastructure (especially to revive the areas of the UK outside of the SE and London).

    We never got to vote the EU president or the various treaties which have systematically made the EU more federal and more powerful.

    The EU wants to fine London for breaching pollution limits-this is utter madness and an abomination to UK sovereignty!
    point 1 agree

    point 2, if we do that we would lose the ability to be able to protect our interests from the EU... whether we like it or not they are our next door neighbours...

    point 3, 4 and 5 agree - though we would never pay that fine.
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    (Original post by Superunknown17)
    We wouldn't get nearly the same deal as Norway and Switzerland. Basically they're in the economic union without being in the political one.

    That's what we need to reform, obviously everyone here isn't happy with the EU dictating law to us but honestly, I've done a whole year of economics work on the EU, without it we'd be screwed.

    Wales and Scotland are net gainers.

    Perhaps, but UKIP are a party full of bigoted, useless bunch of *ahem* politicians. UKIP are said to be radical but in fact they're just bottom of the barrel policies that even the Tories wouldn't support. All people see when they think about the EU is immigrants (4 million Bulgarians out of 7 million? yeah, quality facts there by UKIP) and the EU dictating laws to us. They don't see the massive export market it provides and the jobs that would be lost without it.

    Yes, they are but it would take years to set up trade routes, we need growth sooner rather than later.
    I wasn't thinking about immigration but now that you mention it UK borders would be better of being controlled by London than Brussels. We do have a problem with 'health tourism' where people take advantage of the NHS

    How do reckon that Wales and Scotland are net gainers?
    Noticeably you didn't mention England or NI obviously overall England's net loss outweigh's any perceived gain.
    Also if the EU introduce their rules about finance it would damage London and Edinburgh's finance industries
 
 
 
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