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    I can't believe there has been such a long discussion about gambling, without one mention of VALUE. I apologise if there has been, but it certainly hasn't come up much.

    You can win long term from gambling, as long as you find value. Long term success is almost impossible in leagues like the Premiership because the markets are well informed and very efficient.

    Odds just represent a team's chance of winning that game. If you think the chance of them winning is higher than the odds suggest, then you have found value. This is a very simple way of putting it, but you ABSOLUTELY MUST have a good understanding of value before you think you are going to win long-term or make a living from betting.
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    (Original post by pane123)
    I can't believe there has been such a long discussion about gambling, without one mention of VALUE. I apologise if there has been, but it certainly hasn't come up much.

    You can win long term from gambling, as long as you find value. Long term success is almost impossible in leagues like the Premiership because the markets are well informed and very efficient.

    Odds just represent a team's chance of winning that game. If you think the chance of them winning is higher than the odds suggest, then you have found value. This is a very simple way of putting it, but you ABSOLUTELY MUST have a good understanding of value before you think you are going to win long-term or make a living from betting.
    I think that can be said about most European Leagues, bookmakers look at global markets and they hire specialists to analyse data and information is readily available with the internet. But thats why the best thing to do is in-play, outcomes can be affected by fouls, weather or just general momentum its a judgement call and as you can see the prices fluctuate from bookmaker to bookmaker. You will be surprised how the prices vary from Bet365 to William Hill in each market in the same game. Rather than scrutinise have you considered trying to find a sport of market that is there for the taking.....
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    (Original post by SloaneRanger)
    I think that can be said about most European Leagues, bookmakers look at global markets and they hire specialists to analyse data and information is readily available with the internet. But thats why the best thing to do is in-play, outcomes can be affected by fouls, weather or just general momentum its a judgement call and as you can see the prices fluctuate from bookmaker to bookmaker. You will be surprised how the prices vary from Bet365 to William Hill in each market in the same game. Rather than scrutinise have you considered trying to find a sport of market that is there for the taking.....

    Yes, I make enough to live from betting.

    I agree that value can be found in-play, but that's not to say it's remotely easy. My advice would be for people to concentrate on leagues like the Blue Square Leagues, getting involved in forums etc to try and find news about things like injuries before it is reflected in the odds.

    Asian handicaps are also a good way to find value, as the overround is much, much lower than in the 1X2 market. They also provide value in-play, as the score is effectively reset when you place your bet. Most decent Asian handicap bookies won't ban you, either.
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    (Original post by pane123)
    Yes, I make enough to live from betting.

    I agree that value can be found in-play, but that's not to say it's remotely easy. My advice would be for people to concentrate on leagues like the Blue Square Leagues, getting involved in forums etc to try and find news about things like injuries before it is reflected in the odds.

    Asian handicaps are also a good way to find value, as the overround is much, much lower than in the 1X2 market. They also provide value in-play, as the score is effectively reset when you place your bet. Most decent Asian handicap bookies won't ban you, either.
    Yeah, also Paddy Power get the off times for ITF Tennis matches wrong, so you can check the actual scores and results on 365....They automatically settle and if you withdraw as soon as it is. The just said you an email to say they have adjusted your account instead of putting it into negative....
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    (Original post by SloaneRanger)
    Yeah, also Paddy Power get the off times for ITF Tennis matches wrong, so you can check the actual scores and results on 365....They automatically settle and if you withdraw as soon as it is. The just said you an email to say they have adjusted your account instead of putting it into negative....
    Tennis is another sport where profit is to be found. I know people who boast an ROI of just over 10% on tennis, which is pretty impressive. My knowledge of tennis is nowhere near good enough to bet on it, though.
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    (Original post by pane123)
    Yes, I make enough to live from betting.

    I agree that value can be found in-play, but that's not to say it's remotely easy. My advice would be for people to concentrate on leagues like the Blue Square Leagues, getting involved in forums etc to try and find news about things like injuries before it is reflected in the odds.

    Asian handicaps are also a good way to find value, as the overround is much, much lower than in the 1X2 market. They also provide value in-play, as the score is effectively reset when you place your bet. Most decent Asian handicap bookies won't ban you, either.
    I prefer cherry picking - bet on one game and make a killing.

    The more bets you place, the more likely you will lose.

    What is Asian handicapping?
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    (Original post by SloaneRanger)
    Yeah, also Paddy Power get the off times for ITF Tennis matches wrong, so you can check the actual scores and results on 365....They automatically settle and if you withdraw as soon as it is. The just said you an email to say they have adjusted your account instead of putting it into negative....
    Can you make money this way?
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    (Original post by fat_hobbit)
    Can you make money this way?
    Yeah, I leave paddypower on 24/7 and there sometimes slow to suspend a market or they have an inplay bet with no movement or price change in the market......and its finished. We are talking like things so unaware like ITF Tennis.
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    (Original post by fat_hobbit)
    I prefer cherry picking - bet on one game and make a killing.

    The more bets you place, the more likely you will lose.

    What is Asian handicapping?
    he means like -0.5/+1.0 u see on 365.....its called asian handicaps where the bet is half split

    Im feeling to cover Sharapova well this evening a heavy minus spreads....Errani is an interesting one. Maria has such a good return game.
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    (Original post by SloaneRanger)
    he means like -0.5/+1.0 u see on 365.....its called asian handicaps where the bet is half split

    Im feeling to cover Sharapova well this evening a heavy minus spreads....Errani is an interesting one. Maria has such a good return game.
    Columbia were shocking last night.
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    (Original post by fat_hobbit)
    Columbia were shocking last night.
    Just get on Sharapova on the spread now its license to print money....3-0 up....im sitting here laughing about being -2.5 1st set and other bets on her.
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    (Original post by fat_hobbit)
    Columbia were shocking last night.
    Try to avoid south americas in the football so much scope for corruption.....you couldnt exactly bribe sharapova, unless your dmitrov,lol...shes on a high at the moment....if you noticed.

    You know all these opinionated idiots are costing themselves money....by not backing Sharapova.
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    Bet365 prices arent inline with the inplay sharapova match! Alot of potential to make ££.....
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    (Original post by SloaneRanger)
    Bet365 prices arent inline with the inplay sharapova match! Alot of potential to make ££.....
    cheers for the tip, in what way?

    just won 20 on predicting the game.
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    (Original post by fat_hobbit)
    cheers for the tip, in what way?

    just won 20 on predicting the game.
    Watch the game....you will see its about 10-15 slow in the price changes and scoreboard.
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    (Original post by SloaneRanger)
    Watch the game....you will see its about 10-15 slow in the price changes and scoreboard.
    cant log into bet365

    **** ****
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    (Original post by SloaneRanger)
    Watch the game....you will see its about 10-15 slow in the price changes and scoreboard.
    It looks like it's in time to me.
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    (Original post by pane123)
    It looks like it's in time to me.
    It was about 30-40 ago, of course there going to notice lapses, but thats why they say in there disclaimers etc.
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    (Original post by SloaneRanger)
    It was about 30-40 ago, of course there going to notice lapses, but thats why they say in there disclaimers etc.
    I find that somewhat hard to believe. How much did you make then?
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    (Original post by pane123)
    I find that somewhat hard to believe. How much did you make then?
    I found a time delay on a website called "betdash" a few months ago whereby they closed markets based on advertised times. I used to watch the darts and bet on "first checkout number = odd or even" because some games would still have an active market when it was on the second point. They never clocked it! You couldn't make big money like, only turn £5 into £50 or so


    Also, the american racing in bookies/in america had a time delay I believe and people made a lot of money taking board prices in the UK at inflated odds. That was about 6-12 months ago
 
 
 
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