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    (Original post by DaveSmith99)
    Yeah its possible to make money in sports betting, but its much more of a risk, I know good gamblers who have lost thousands sports betting as sport can be so wildly unpredictable. If you know what you're doing with poker though you can just sit back, play tight, get your money in good and play the maths.
    I disagree. It's not wildly unpredictable - if it were then I would never place a bet.

    You have taken far too simplistic a view of sports betting and poker here, I'm afraid.
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    (Original post by pane123)
    I disagree. It's not wildly unpredictable - if it were then I would never place a bet.

    You have taken far too simplistic a view of sports betting and poker here, I'm afraid.
    I follow a wide range of sports, its unpredictable even if you know what you know sports, if it weren't sports wouldn't be nearly as popular. I've seen intelligent and knowledgeable people lose tens of thousands sports betting.

    Poker is that simplistic though, online you just play the maths, you work out his range based on how he acts and you act accordingly. Life is different as its more about reading the players than the cards. I've sat and watched plenty of people make thousands of poker in a matter of hours (playing like 20+ tables at a time and just playing the cards), I've never seen anyone make serious, long term profit from sports betting.
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    just came 2/564 in a 5 draw tournament!


    not bad considering i've been running terribad on poker for the past month! Ah well, difference between profit and breakeven that
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    (Original post by DaveSmith99)
    I follow a wide range of sports, its unpredictable even if you know what you know sports, if it weren't sports wouldn't be nearly as popular. I've seen intelligent and knowledgeable people lose tens of thousands sports betting.

    Poker is that simplistic though, online you just play the maths, you work out his range based on how he acts and you act accordingly. Life is different as its more about reading the players than the cards. I've sat and watched plenty of people make thousands of poker in a matter of hours (playing like 20+ tables at a time and just playing the cards), I've never seen anyone make serious, long term profit from sports betting.
    Well people do make serious, long term profit from sports betting, while other lose thousands at poker in a matter of hours.

    Sports are nowhere near unpredictable enough that long term profit cannot be made.

    I also think you're lying about what you've seen :cool:.
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    (Original post by Stevo112)
    just came 2/564 in a 5 draw tournament!


    not bad considering i've been running terribad on poker for the past month! Ah well, difference between profit and breakeven that
    Its good you can be disciplined at cards, I don't think its easy to master or understand especially with cards.
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    (Original post by Stevo112)
    just came 2/564 in a 5 draw tournament!


    not bad considering i've been running terribad on poker for the past month! Ah well, difference between profit and breakeven that
    Nice, well played. I can't say I'm a fan of poker, though, mainly because I'm hugely impatient.

    Grand National tomorrow, maybe my favourite day of the year.
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    (Original post by SloaneRanger)
    Its good you can be disciplined at cards, I don't think its easy to master or understand especially with cards.
    took me 7 hours to win that as well.

    Poker is much harder to make money on now tbh, live is a goldmine for decent players. Online is tougher. I used to make a small fortune around 2006 with all the american donkeys.

    Now you gotta sit watching like 5 monitors for 12 hours a day making between 0.00 and 3 BB/100 or some other reduced rate. I got some mates currently who do 80 hour weeks on poker and make a decent living, they go and sit all the big live events and do alright in them too. Think one of them has about $200k in prizes this year alone (but about $20k net profit) which isn't too bad at all!
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    (Original post by pane123)
    Nice, well played. I can't say I'm a fan of poker, though, mainly because I'm hugely impatient.

    Grand National tomorrow, maybe my favourite day of the year.
    aye roll on national

    got me 10p combination tricast bets on Get one of them up and you're talking £100+
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    (Original post by pane123)
    Well people do make serious, long term profit from sports betting, while other lose thousands at poker in a matter of hours.

    Sports are nowhere near unpredictable enough that long term profit cannot be made.

    I also think you're lying about what you've seen :cool:.
    Of course people make and lose money on both. The point im trying to make is that when you play online poker, the players who make money on it are playing thousands and thousands of hands an hour because they are playing multiple tables at once. Playing so many hands pretty much eliminates the luck element, if you get your money in good then you're making money. If you go all in pre-flop with a hand that 80% likely to win and someone calls you (which about they will the majority of the time playing Omaha), then you have amazingly good odds, much better than you're getting with any sports bet.

    Think I'm lying all you like, I know a few pro poker players.
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    (Original post by Stevo112)
    took me 7 hours to win that as well.

    Poker is much harder to make money on now tbh, live is a goldmine for decent players. Online is tougher. I used to make a small fortune around 2006 with all the american donkeys.

    Now you gotta sit watching like 5 monitors for 12 hours a day making between 0.00 and 3 BB/100 or some other reduced rate. I got some mates currently who do 80 hour weeks on poker and make a decent living, they go and sit all the big live events and do alright in them too. Think one of them has about $200k in prizes this year alone (but about $20k net profit) which isn't too bad at all!
    My friend is a professional player and he really regrets not playing more when he first got into it.

    He always complains about how hard it is now, because of no Americans and the fact that the more popular poker becomes, the more good players you end up with.
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    (Original post by pane123)
    He always complains about how hard it is now, because of no Americans and the fact that the more popular poker becomes, the more good players you end up with.
    Omaha hi-lo is where all the moneys is at at the moment apparently.
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    (Original post by DaveSmith99)
    Of course people make and lose money on both. The point im trying to make is that when you play online poker, the players who make money on it are playing thousands and thousands of hands an hour because they are playing multiple tables at once. Playing so many hands pretty much eliminates the luck element, if you get your money in good then you're making money. If you go all in pre-flop with a hand that 80% likely to win and someone calls you (which about they will the majority of the time playing Omaha), then you have amazingly good odds, much better than you're getting with any sports bet.

    Think I'm lying all you like, I know a few pro poker players.

    You can't keep generalising things as much as you do.

    There is a huge variety of sports out there; they differ in predictability.

    Not all successful poker players play thousands of hands an hour.
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    (Original post by Stevo112)
    aye roll on national

    got me 10p combination tricast bets on Get one of them up and you're talking £100+
    Who do you have? I'm so tight when it comes to betting that I still don't know if I'll bother.

    I do fancy Chicago Grey for the win, with an E/W bet on Any Currency. It would basically be betting to make it more interesting, but I absolutely love it for the spectacle anyway.
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    (Original post by pane123)
    You can't keep generalising things as much as you do.

    There is a huge variety of sports out there; they differ in predictability.

    Not all successful poker players pay thousands of hands an hour.
    Someone needs to educate him how many sports there are on a typical day, lol..... besides football....that people take an interest and that is on mainstream television. Like for example baseball in play you can cover you lines by betting in play, many americans don't have that facility.... with the offshore companies they use.
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    (Original post by SloaneRanger)
    Someone needs to educate him how many sports there are on a typical day, lol..... besides football....that people take an interest and that is on mainstream television. Like for example baseball in play you can cover you lines by betting in play, many americans don't have that facility.... with the offshore companies they use.
    Haha, how can you even watch baseball, never mind bet on it? Do you not get bored?

    There are only two sports I dislike, rather than just having no interest in them - rugby and baseball.
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    (Original post by pane123)
    Who do you have? I'm so tight when it comes to betting that I still don't know if I'll bother.

    I do fancy Chicago Grey for the win, with an E/W bet on Any Currency. It would basically be betting to make it more interesting, but I absolutely love it for the spectacle anyway.
    my big boy is teaforthree (£20 ew)

    Then I got half the field covered in combination tricast bets (10 of them @ 60p total each)



    Then a combo tricast for like 50p on

    Seabass
    Teaforthree
    baltazar king





    Just feeling like the winner will come from one of the above 3 to be honest
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    (Original post by pane123)
    You can't keep generalising things as much as you do.

    There is a huge variety of sports out there; they differ in predictability.

    Not all successful poker players pay thousands of hands an hour.
    Of course, but with poker you have the option to play so many hands an hour that the element of luck is almost completely removed from it.

    Not all do no though, but all bar one that I know play a lot of hands an hour.

    There are a lot of different sports with different predictability yes, but from the experiences of people I know its a much bigger risk for a smaller gain.

    (Original post by SloaneRanger)
    Someone needs to educate him how many sports there are on a typical day, lol..... besides football....that people take an interest and that is on mainstream television. Like for example baseball in play you can cover you lines by betting in play, many americans don't have that facility.... with the offshore companies they use.

    Of course there are a lot of sports a day, you learn poker though and your set. You don't have to learn in detail about a large number of sports and actively follow them. Play a few tables at zoom poker simultaneously and the element of luck is practically gone, how many sports bets can you educatedly make an hour with the same returns?
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    (Original post by Stevo112)
    my big boy is teaforthree (£20 ew)

    Then I got half the field covered in combination tricast bets (10 of them @ 60p total each)



    Then a combo tricast for like 50p on

    Seabass
    Teaforthree
    baltazar king





    Just feeling like the winner will come from one of the above 3 to be honest
    Well I'm calling it a night as I'm up early to catch the early prices. Good luck.

    I'll be back on at 16:25 tomorrow to edit my post if Chicago Grey doesn't win. I'll just change "Chicago Grey" to the name of the winner and everyone will think I'm a betting king.

    Then I'll delete this post.
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    (Original post by DaveSmith99)
    Of course, but with poker you have the option to play so many hands an hour that the element of luck is almost completely removed from it.

    Not all do no though, but all bar one that I know play a lot of hands an hour.

    There are a lot of different sports with different predictability yes, but from the experiences of people I know its a much bigger risk for a smaller gain.




    Of course there are a lot of sports a day, you learn poker though and your set. You don't have to learn in detail about a large number of sports and actively follow them. Play a few tables at zoom poker simultaneously and the element of luck is practically gone, how many sports bets can you educatedly make an hour with the same returns?
    Yeah, you do especially with baseball and in running bets for example....a pitch count, a walk, intentional walk etc....so many betting sites like william hill dont suspend the market unless its bases loaded or a hit.....you have such a element to steal a price...and you can hedge it on another website even if its for a £5-10 margin..... so many two way sports i specialise in Tennis/Cricket/Baseball/American Football/Hockey/Snooker/ theres always something.... alternative spreads if you pick the right one you can lay and cover.... baseball till from 6pm - 6am beauty of time difference.....6 months in the year.
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    (Original post by pane123)
    You can't keep generalising things as much as you do.

    There is a huge variety of sports out there; they differ in predictability.

    Not all successful poker players play thousands of hands an hour.
    Well you are right,

    but if you are starting off at the bottom then you have to put in the hours. To be totally honest, most of the big names get paid by sponsors to make poker interesting.


    At the end of the day though poker is a mathematical game, live or online.


    The kids were talking about BB/100 figures last time I played properly.

    Basically if you have a 0.00 to 3 BB/100 figure over lots of hands then that means your a profitable player.


    If you have 1 BB/100 rating then on a £1/£2 table you would expect to make £4 every 100 hands (BB is double the £2 multiplied by the 1)


    So pros who play £50/£100 with a 1 BB/100 rating can make £200 every 100 hands on average, so they don't need to play as many hands. ALSO, they'd be lucky to get through 30 hands an hour so £200 profit every 3 hours possibly!


    In contrast online starting out on £1/£2 you'd expect to see 50 hands an hour, so you'd make £4 every 100 hands or every 2 hours (£2 profit per hour). That is pittance!! So you gotta boot up those extra 9 tables!! Then you'd be making £20 an hour roughly.



    There is pure money still in poker, but it is a soul crushing activity. Not everyone plays sick amounts of hands, but not everyone can afford to play it slow on poker (unless you do a chris moneymaker )
 
 
 
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