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    (Original post by SloaneRanger)
    Forget these odds and statistics......pointless to the average individual, needless to say useless.
    Those statistics are probably the single most important bits of information that user will ever receive in his life on the subject of gambling. The statistics clearly say that HE MAY HAVE GOTTEN LUCKY to end up with a 45-27 winning ratio! Especially if he backs teams which have a 55% chance of being successful!

    If you would like me to explain the statistics further then feel free to pm me. That aside, it wasn't addressed to you and if you don't get why they are important then I can't help you :rolleyes:

    You worked in a bookies, wouldn't we be better off looking for avenues of making money at the moment like always there is something incredibly profitable - March Madness - Basketball (minimal risk).

    Manually settled aka Alien Bets.

    should be:

    Spread
    Virginia -16.5 to beat Norfolk State 20th march 1am 10/11 both sides of the bet
    16.5 is alot in basketball

    Money Line
    1/20

    Walk into local William Hill, avoid ladbrokes there markets are now auto slips now or whatever corals is good, there is no price on screens etc. Moron behind the counter hasnt got a clue and has to call up.. asks you to write down what you want you just write down the teams etc....95% of cashiers are just ignorant £6.08 spicks...... so you just have the teams on slip....never stake your slip beforehand.....and lately alot of places hire girls....who have no clue about gambling etc...all the want to do is a price on slip...without any realisation about a point spread etc......whole concept would be to get that 10/11 on the slip without the spread written on it....once they get off the phone.....stupid cashier gives you the slip to stake you write money line on the top of the slip and stake it......cashier dips the slip you get a receipt provided you dont be a mug and over stake e.g. over £100 etc there not going to PTL it......and security won't be alerted to view it...... Then try to cash it out asap don't they call the results line to get the results bang....you get paid out then, your out before they get that security call and you never step foot in that bookies again...... (just wear a cap and a hoodie to cover your face) most bookies have cameras in corners dont look up. You just need to be clued up what your looking for.
    I do appreciate the ingenuity of this one! Sounds to me like you're more of a chancer and I kinda get why you don't care about statistics haha.


    So what are the chances a 1/20 prematch bet loses in the long run of say a sample size of 50? 1/2? your running at a £91 profit each time. I personally have expensive tastes and enjoy the scams - mugs out there need to be cultured that there is more out there then Kempton Park.

    P.S Always use cash, never leave a paper trail....i.e. using cards etc.... Inner city bookmakers are the best place to target i.e. The Strand, Covent Garden, full off new trained, high turnover cashiers, that will never amount to anything (simpletons). This isn't me being arrogant simple facts....
    I reckon you could be one of those guys they have on the security page in shops hahaha. I wonder if I actually know you....
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    (Original post by tsnake23)
    Yes, it says 'Lost money gambling'. OP has not mentioned anything about his religious beliefs, and you are posting on a predominantly UK based forum which is mostly a secular country. Religion does not need to be brought into the debate - however since it now has been I am free to criticise why religion should not be a factor to consider regarding the choice of whether to gamble.
    Just being as much freedom to me for mention religion. go telling moderation if you thinking i am do illegal posting. is not mattering if you doing believe or not to permission me to do mention of religion view on gamble damage <- (again, go doing purchase of eyeglass and look at title of thread)

    (Original post by tsnake23)
    That's because you live in a part of the world where Islam is by far the majority religion and promoted by the state. You may think you have freedom of choice to believe in Islam. In reality there's massive bias towards choosing it because you have been taught an Islamic education from an early age and it is normal in your family.
    same as being you living not in islam world. your education and state is bias you to thinking what you think and not thinking. both is not able to be justification on if is good or not.
    but i am say my bias is stop me from gamble damage and i am be happier. OP bias is say they 'freedom of choice' do gamble damage and if you calling OP happy then i am not going to do prove you are lie.


    (Original post by tsnake23)
    Similarly if you get brought up in a conservative Jewish society and attend a Jewish school, you will learn the ways of Judaism from an early age and learn to accept them. The odds are that when your older you will continue to follow the religion that you have been brought up with.

    This is effectively brainwashing - you are not able to make an unbiased choice of your religious beliefs. You will be far more likely to believe the teachings which you were brought up with.

    is just show that your bias is differ from my bias. this is end of conversating. is simple to understanding if you do not attempt do pseudo-wisdom.


    (Original post by tsnake23)
    I do not believe in Islam because I have been brought up in a secular society with real freedom of religious choice. This is partially due to the fact most western media publications are secular and write without bias to certain religions and state control. They are free to criticise Islam as well as Christianity, Atheism and any other beliefs.
    Similarly if you get brought up in a secular society society and attend a secular school, you will learn the ways of secular from an early age and learn to accept them. The odds are that when your older you will continue to follow the secular society that you have been brought up with.

    This is effectively brainwashing - you are not able to make an unbiased choice of your secular beliefs. You will be far more likely to believe the secular society which you were brought up with.
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    (Original post by SloaneRanger)
    Then what is Meydan Racecourse, Dubai......it holds the Dubai World Cup Night, which is just one of the events it holds throughout the year... So do the arabs just like to watch the "little horsies" go round and round without wondering whose going to win..... Dubai is considered to be pretty strict in being an islamic state, but if you really wanted to have a bet you can....your money just goes overseas.....same as Saudia Arabia/Qatar/etc.....Gambling happens a lot in islam, people are just not very vocal as in the western world.
    Btw you just gambled by crossing the road, there is no certainty you were going to make it unscathed - fact. Still the odds of not making were there - Gambler.
    you are confusion what gambling meaning. there is be obvious difference between emotional and financial gamble damage the OP is talk about, from crossing the road. Is being very humorous obfuscatory.

    also you go doing purchase of eye glass and then reading of this:
    if you are gamble then you are not doing islam. Gamble and islam are being mutual exclusive. the sentence "i am seeing muslim gamble" is malformed sentence. Is like saying "i hear green smells from you're grandfather". If you gambling you are not being muslim.
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    (Original post by fat_hobbit)
    So southampton, everton and fulham are not the underdogs in that context?
    no they are not underdogs when they are winning the game. they are premier league teams and when leading against other premier league teams, in play, they are more likely than whoever they are playing to win the game.

    your system is really good but what you said about betting on underdogs isn't true because you rarely do bet on (true) underdogs.
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    (Original post by Stevo112)
    Those statistics are probably the single most important bits of information that user will ever receive in his life on the subject of gambling. The statistics clearly say that HE MAY HAVE GOTTEN LUCKY to end up with a 45-27 winning ratio! Especially if he backs teams which have a 55% chance of being successful!

    If you would like me to explain the statistics further then feel free to pm me. That aside, it wasn't addressed to you and if you don't get why they are important then I can't help you :rolleyes:



    I do appreciate the ingenuity of this one! Sounds to me like you're more of a chancer and I kinda get why you don't care about statistics haha.


    I reckon you could be one of those guys they have on the security page in shops hahaha. I wonder if I actually know you....
    LOL, Im not on the level off Kenny Emvers, the main thing is everything is legal, the events haven't been predetermined....so its you can't be nailed under the Gambling Act 2005, the most they will do to you is void your bet or pay you at the correct odds of 1/20 etc. The problem with this guy was he has a violent streak....

    http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse...=last7DaysNews

    The best thing is to target the uneducated which is 99% off the people that work in betting shops.....
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    (Original post by Mullah.S)
    you are confusion what gambling meaning. there is be obvious difference between emotional and financial gamble damage the OP is talk about, from crossing the road. Is being very humorous obfuscatory.

    also you go doing purchase of eye glass and then reading of this:
    if you are gamble then you are not doing islam. Gamble and islam are being mutual exclusive. the sentence "i am seeing muslim gamble" is malformed sentence. Is like saying "i hear green smells from you're grandfather". If you gambling you are not being muslim.
    I think your someone that has gone through life without seeing a Paddy Power Commercial - Moneyback Specials .......

    Im sure a few run throughs with Bruce, Carlton and Des, we might see a few singles or accas from you... I hope you do know that playing the lottery is gambling.....
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    (Original post by Mullah.S)
    Just being as much freedom to me for mention religion. go telling moderation if you thinking i am do illegal posting. is not mattering if you doing believe or not to permission me to do mention of religion view on gamble damage <- (again, go doing purchase of eyeglass and look at title of thread)
    It isn't against the rules to post about religion. However this thread has nothing to do with religion at all and it is very strange that you effectively decided to come along and advertise Islam. Most people in the UK do not like others bringing religion into unrelated conversations.



    (Original post by Mullah.S)
    same as being you living not in islam world. your education and state is bias you to thinking what you think and not thinking. both is not able to be justification on if is good or not.
    Living in a strictly Islamic country means you rarely come into contact with other religions in your education so you have little choice but to choose Islam.

    Living in a secular society where other religions are taught means you make contact with other religions in your education so you have the choice to form your own views.

    I can't understand why you think that living in a society where you are strongly encouraged to follow one religion is better then being able to have an open choice.





    (Original post by Mullah.S)
    Similarly if you get brought up in a secular society society and attend a secular school, you will learn the ways of secular from an early age and learn to accept them. The odds are that when your older you will continue to follow the secular society that you have been brought up with.

    This is effectively brainwashing - you are not able to make an unbiased choice of your secular beliefs. You will be far more likely to believe the secular society which you were brought up with.
    You don't understand what secularism is. It is not a religion or a set of beliefs - it is simply the word used to describe the separation of religion from the state.

    In an Islamic country the state encourages Islam and forces state education to teach Islam. Therefore you are brainwashed into believing Islam from an early age.

    In a secular country the state does not encourage a religion meaning your education does not convince you to abide by one religion. Therefore you do not get a biased view towards one religion and your free to choose your own beliefs. The whole point is to avoid the bias of living in a society where there is only one religion like where you live.
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    (Original post by SloaneRanger)
    LOL, Im not on the level off Kenny Emvers, the main thing is everything is legal, the events haven't been predetermined....so its you can't be nailed under the Gambling Act 2005, the most they will do to you is void your bet or pay you at the correct odds of 1/20 etc. The problem with this guy was he has a violent streak....

    http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse...=last7DaysNews

    The best thing is to target the uneducated which is 99% off the people that work in betting shops.....
    Aye. I'm not into the whole conning people out of coin, even if it is the companies money, but the scams were always interesting to listen about.
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    (Original post by tsnake23)
    It isn't against the rules to post about religion. However this thread has nothing to do with religion at all and it is very strange that you effectively decided to come along and advertise Islam. Most people in the UK do not like others bringing religion into unrelated conversations.
    Are you expect of me to not post islam only because you not liking islam?

    I am not liking you post against islam, should i expect of you not to posting against islam?


    I am knowing what many people in UK is liking, i am learn more even more now. wanting gamble damage is now new thing i am learn about long list of thing that western culture doing endorse.

    Is doing very informative to me about western culture.






    (Original post by tsnake23)
    Living in a strictly Islamic country means you rarely come into contact with other religions in your education so you have little choice but to choose Islam.

    In an Islamic country the state encourages Islam and forces state education to teach Islam. Therefore you are brainwashed into believing Islam from an early age.
    Are you understand pseudo-wisdom meaning?
    Example is being: someone is try explaining to muslim how they are a muslim.

    You are not muslim if you do not knowing how you are muslim. So you are try to teaching someone, who already knowing how they are muslim, how they are muslim. Is very humour.

    If you are say i do not knowing how i am muslim, then this is mean you are try to teach a non-muslim how they are muslim. Is very humour also.

    (Original post by tsnake23)
    You don't understand what secularism is. It is not a religion or a set of beliefs - it is simply the word used to describe the separation of religion from the state.
    you are not doing understand. doing secular is effect the way you living, no? doing secular is influence the decision you making, no?

    E.i. how would secular respond to gamble damage? compare how would muslim respond to gamble damage?

    E.i how are you different person by being in secular society than if you are being muslim society?

    The point is being that secular is determine you choices, decision, behaviour and moral. Same way that being muslim is determine you choices, decision, behaviour and moral.

    I am simple saying i thinking mine is better in this example of gamble damage. If you were being muslim you would not doing this gamble damage to your self in finance and emotion. Is simple point. Is very relevant to this, i am give advice to OP. is this thread for purpose of having football conversation or gamble issue? i am thinking is gamble issue. i may being wrong this post may not be about gamble (i might not have reading title properly). But this is why i giving my advice.



    (Original post by tsnake23)
    Living in a secular society where other religions are taught means you make contact with other religions in your education so you have the choice to form your own views.
    I can't understand why you think that living in a society where you are strongly encouraged to follow one religion is better then being able to have an open choice.
    I am also contact with other religion and other views. i am not being in secular society.

    The contact i making with secular western culture that i doing is more and more giving my views. This thread is doing one more example to making my view of western, so i can have the choice to form your own views. This acceptance of gamble damage is contribute to my free choice of view. Not brain wash.









    (Original post by tsnake23)
    In a secular country the state does not encourage a religion meaning your education does not convince you to abide by one religion. Therefore you do not get a biased view towards one religion and your free to choose your own beliefs. The whole point is to avoid the bias of living in a society where there is only one religion like where you live.
    State of nowhere is able to being control of anyone central nervous system.
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    Bookies odds are based on what people are betting on, if you have greater knowledge of a sport eg horse racing than the general public ( generally top 10% of the betting population) you will profit. People assume they are competing against bookies but you are really betting against other people, the idea is to find bets of good value. If you have no knowledge use tipsters, only use there NAPS(A tipster's best bet of the day) peoples main mistake in horse betting is they bet on every race, I use 5 of the best free tipsters all of them have £1000+ profit for a year for £10 bets on there NAPS, pretty much all these tipsters have a loss if they would have tipped for every race. So 5 tipsters at £1000 profit is £5000, step it up to £100 bets and you would have £50000 !! £1000 bets and £50000

    GAMBLING IS NOT STUPID you are making your money of stupid people which is 90% of gamblers, poker is the same concept but takes way more time and effort and is extremely complex. I used to think sports betting was stupid when I played poker as I thought you were just competing against bookies with impossible odds, but you are playing against pretty much people like the OP and people who believe there is no skill involved in gambling throwing there money in to one big pot.

    You should not play ROULETTE or BLACKJACK(unless you can count cards :L) you cannot win

    becoming addicted to gambling is not always a bad thing its only a bad thing if your a losing gambler, I'M ADDICTED TO GAMBLING but you don't see me losing £500+.

    someone said that gambling shouldn't be seen as a way to make money, I disagree. If you see it as a way to make money you will take it more seriously and therefore wont make stupid decisions, there is probably some great poker reading this and they will know poker requires concentration, concentrate as much on sports betting and you will have great results. Treat it as you would share trading, you wouldn't throw all your money on a business you know nothing about so why throw it on a horse you know nothing about, horse betting is essentially one big stock market in where you compete against others to get the best odds.

    Cliffardo (pro poker player and gambler in the making)
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    (Original post by martin jol)
    no they are not underdogs when they are winning the game. they are premier league teams and when leading against other premier league teams, in play, they are more likely than whoever they are playing to win the game.

    your system is really good but what you said about betting on underdogs isn't true because you rarely do bet on (true) underdogs.
    yeah fair enough mate
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    (Original post by Dukeofwembley)
    because you will eventually lose?
    everybody loses.
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    (Original post by fat_hobbit)
    everybody loses.
    its about 90/10 loss/win

    I can name about 10 profitable tipsters
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    (Original post by M1011)
    Evidentally neither of you know a thing about matched betting. If done right you quite literally can't lose, as it involves using bonus offers and effectively betting against yourself to cover all outcomes on an event. It's not an infinite supply of money, as you rely on limited bonus offers, but it offers small, statistically certain, profits.

    Shame that people like yourselves have been so quick to neg the person who mentioned it with apparently no idea what it is. To imply he is getting 'paid to advertise' matched betting, granted even in a sarcastic fashion, is just ridiculous as it's exactly the opposite of what online casinos would want you to do.

    Gambling is dumb, the odds are against you. Matched betting is, when done correctly, smart, as the odds will always fall in your favour.
    Yes, but the way he said it seemed as if he was advertising...

    OP mentions in his post that he is 'not gambling again.' With £500 down, do you think the OP will play smartly with risk free betting? I doubt it.

    What if he wastes time with risk free matched betting and doesn't get anything in reward? Well....he'll feel even more depressed.

    Edit: also please don't be quick enough to assume that i have gave him a neg rep or to you, as i clearly didn't
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    (Original post by cliffardo)
    Bookies odds are based on what people are betting on, if you have greater knowledge of a sport eg horse racing than the general public ( generally top 10% of the betting population) you will profit. People assume they are competing against bookies but you are really betting against other people, the idea is to find bets of good value. If you have no knowledge use tipsters, only use there NAPS(A tipster's best bet of the day) peoples main mistake in horse betting is they bet on every race, I use 5 of the best free tipsters all of them have £1000+ profit for a year for £10 bets on there NAPS, pretty much all these tipsters have a loss if they would have tipped for every race. So 5 tipsters at £1000 profit is £5000, step it up to £100 bets and you would have £50000 !! £1000 bets and £50000

    GAMBLING IS NOT STUPID you are making your money of stupid people which is 90% of gamblers, poker is the same concept but takes way more time and effort and is extremely complex. I used to think sports betting was stupid when I played poker as I thought you were just competing against bookies with impossible odds, but you are playing against pretty much people like the OP and people who believe there is no skill involved in gambling throwing there money in to one big pot.

    You should not play ROULETTE or BLACKJACK(unless you can count cards :L) you cannot win

    becoming addicted to gambling is not always a bad thing its only a bad thing if your a losing gambler, I'M ADDICTED TO GAMBLING but you don't see me losing £500+.

    someone said that gambling shouldn't be seen as a way to make money, I disagree. If you see it as a way to make money you will take it more seriously and therefore wont make stupid decisions, there is probably some great poker reading this and they will know poker requires concentration, concentrate as much on sports betting and you will have great results. Treat it as you would share trading, you wouldn't throw all your money on a business you know nothing about so why throw it on a horse you know nothing about, horse betting is essentially one big stock market in where you compete against others to get the best odds.

    Cliffardo (pro poker player and gambler in the making)
    Good logic! Not everyone can analyse information or even comprehend the concept of there are people out there that make money through gambling.
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    (Original post by james22)
    What was wrong with his comment? Do you even know what matched betting is? He cannot possibly make any gains from telling someone to try matched betting. It's a risk free gambling system.
    Like i said to the user M1011, it was the way he said it that seemed as if he was advertising.

    IMO, M1011 bashed me in a rude way. it's a shame as i had so much respect for him in the Accountancy and Finance thread.

    (Original post by Putch1)
    Yes, but the way he said it seemed as if he was advertising...

    OP mentions in his post that he is 'not gambling again.' With £500 down, do you think the OP will play smartly with risk free betting? I doubt it.

    What if he wastes time with risk free matched betting and doesn't get anything in reward? Well....he'll feel even more depressed.
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    (Original post by martin jol)
    no they are not underdogs when they are winning the game. they are premier league teams and when leading against other premier league teams, in play, they are more likely than whoever they are playing to win the game.

    your system is really good but what you said about betting on underdogs isn't true because you rarely do bet on (true) underdogs.
    BTW there is a fallacy in your logic considering that its likely the favourite could equalise, when those teams are 1-0 up.
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    What do you guys think of handicapping as a way of making money?
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    What kind of idiots spends so much on roulette?

    If you're going to gamble, do it on a game that isn't 100% luck, like poker.
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    Made good money on the basketball

    20 Mar 13 / 03:41 Single 1 Los Angeles Clippers @ Sacramento Kings – Handicap Betting Live Los Angeles Clippers @ 17/20 Handicap £30.00 £0.00 O/2449974/0000164/F
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