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    (Original post by jreid1994)
    Lol your even Swedish and you didn't hear about feminists trying to ban urinals? Haha

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    I'm not Swedish.
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    (Original post by miser)
    I'm not Swedish.
    Your a UN rep for Sweden and you didn't hear about them trying to ban urinals in Sweden?.

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    No, it's perfectly fine to 'hate on' people who's views you disagree with. As long as you don't try and suppress their right to voice their opinion, even if you think they're dumb.
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    (Original post by there's too much love)
    That's a ridiculous statement. Most feminists want things to be equal between the genders. I'm not sure if you're saying you don't believe the patriarchy exists or that you're saying you don't agree with it.

    I've not come across 'gender script' before. But it seems to be the same as gender roles, if it's different you'll need to disregard this paragraph:

    So you're not a "gender egalitarian" then. You believe that mothers should be encouraged to stay in the house and men go out to get the money. Because having a vagina means that I'll be better at child rearing and I should stay in the kitchen where I belong?

    "Men are much more likely to be put in prison for the same crime, Men (regardless of parental quality) are seen as 'secondary carers' of their children and hence are much more likely to get secondary access to the child in the case of divorce, regardless of the parents wishes."

    I presume you're implying that feminism can't care, or even be in favour of that?

    This is not what the vast majority of feminists want. In fact it's the opposite.

    "I agree, yes, that men do in general have it better off. But, I acknowledge there are gender issues on both sides. Feminism (in general) doesn't address these."
    Just a knee jerk reaction here: Radical feminism.

    How can making a comparison be bigoted? I'm not making a prejudice based statement about homosexuals. In fact I say nothing of judgement about them.

    Personally I think that both hating on all feminists by using sweeping generalisations is bigoted. I think it's worse bigotry when it's against homosexuals, because they have it a lot tougher and the bigotry is almost always if not always a lot harsher on them.
    What on earth? Where the hell did this come from?

    So you're not a "gender egalitarian" then. You believe that mothers should be encouraged to stay in the house and men go out to get the money. Because having a vagina means that I'll be better at child rearing and I should stay in the kitchen where I belong?
    In the paragraph you've quoted after, I clearly state my opposition to gender roles. My point was that feminist literature often claims that gender roles benefit men in all cases. if you don't believe me, pick up a book by any mainstream feminist writer. For example, I don't believe that just because I have a penis that I should be the breadwinner, and that because you have a vagina that society should expect you to be the homemaker, that's wrong. I'm saying that gender should never come into consideration in any part of our lives. Our genitals should have as little real impact as the colour of our skin or hair - it's just a circumstantial part of us.

    The only reason I use 'gender egalitarian' instead of 'feminism' is purely strategic. I don't think a liberal progressive school of thought should have to make excuses for ideas like 'political lesbianism' or systematic male castration. It's not fair to good and liberal feminists who don't hate men, to have to exist in the same paradigm as the man-haters that do the movement such a discredit. Plus, the fact so many women are disenchanted with feminism (and why the movement has been given the back seat) is precisely for the above reasons. Give it a new name and there will be no problem.
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    (Original post by espial)
    What on earth? Where the hell did this come from?



    In the paragraph you've quoted after, I clearly state my opposition to gender roles. My point was that feminist literature often claims that gender roles benefit men in all cases. if you don't believe me, pick up a book by any mainstream feminist writer. For example, I don't believe that just because I have a penis that I should be the breadwinner, and that because you have a vagina that society should expect you to be the homemaker, that's wrong. I'm saying that gender should never come into consideration in any part of our lives. Our genitals should have as little real impact as the colour of our skin or hair - it's just a circumstantial part of us.

    The only reason I use 'gender egalitarian' instead of 'feminism' is purely strategic. I don't think a liberal progressive school of thought should have to make excuses for ideas like 'political lesbianism' or systematic male castration. It's not fair to good and liberal feminists who don't hate men, to have to exist in the same paradigm as the man-haters that do the movement such a discredit. Plus, the fact so many women are disenchanted with feminism (and why the movement has been given the back seat) is precisely for the above reasons. Give it a new name and there will be no problem.
    Well personally I'm much more likely to call myself a radical feminist in a lot of discussions, but it depends on the context. And I'd argue radical feminism opposes all gender inequalities necessarily by it's very nature.

    You didn't say what you mean by gender scripts, and your point about people claiming men are the only beneficiaries was not at all clear. That's why I made that particular paragraph conditional.

    You asked where the hell that came from, it came from your post being both semi confrontational and being unclear in communication. But what else can I expect, we both posted at stupid o'clock in the morning so not everything would be clear. Who thinks 100% clearly at that time?
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    (Original post by bestofyou)
    Well done Kelly, you just proved you have no idea what you are talking about and that you are likely 14yrs old.
    'Straight males is not a sexual orientation, it is a bloody type of person. Straight and Gay are the only two types of sexual orientations you mentioned, throwing in extra words doesn't make them an orientation. I could easily say there are 6 kinds of sexualities, Straight black man, Gay lion, Gay robot, Straight white women, Straight cat women and Gay Doctor.
    "the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes" ww.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/feminism
    There are many definitions of 'feminist' and 'feminism' in dictionaries; none of them involving the word 'better'. My point was simply to encourage you to focus on terms that commonly do describe these terms, like 'equal'. By jumping straight your own unrecognisable definition, you started from a position of bias which would have made further discussion fruitless.

    I am failing to see anything even closely related to sexual orientation here. You have no idea.
    Alright! Oh please, stop that! Stop your singing! Stop your singing this instant, young man! I will not have this in my studio! That's just a terrible, terrible, terrible... terrible "That's Amore". You have failed conclusively! It's over! And there is nothing that you can do, here in this room... that can turn that around. Nothing you can do that can make up for what you just did to "That's Amore." How the **** is this the case here? You have completely rendered any respectability you have in this argument into nothing.
    For a start you quoted me if you bother to go back and check, I therefore take everything you now say with an entire barrel of salt, in fact I don't take it with any salt, I don't even touch what you say. As i said, all respect for your argument went out the window with this post.
    Second point, which again shows you have no idea what you are talking about, if you go back to the initial point that I made you will find it was stating how nobody is born a feminist, then you countered that by saying all females are born feminists. Now you have taken a complete U-turn and said the opposite? Make up your mind daughter! Spreading manure about what I said doesn't work on the internet as there is a record of all the previous comments.
    No...just no.
    Being gay doesn't automatically mean you are going to be interested in gay rights, it is a choice. Being gay isn't, being involved in gay rights is...this really isn't a hard concept to grasp.
    Someone born female is even less likely to be involved in female rights for many reasons, one being that females are not a minority and in this modern world face much less discrimination. Most of my female friends or the young females in my family couldn't tell me the first thing about feminist issues. It doesn't bloody well matter if they are affected by them or not. Being affected by something doesn't mean that you are going to school yourself in these issues.
    Women today for the large part have equal rights to men. The things they do not have equal rights in are for a reason. For example sports prize money, the men get more because they generate a higher revenue through TV viewing or whatever. Yet feminists (the bad kind) kick up a fuss about this every year.
    I'm not saying that discrimination is gone. However it isn't just females. Even in Northern Ireland discrimination against Catholics still exists, however it isn't as big an issue since it is a minority that discriminate now as opposed to a majority like it used to be.
    Only the four segments? What about Gay Lions? Don't they deserve equal rights? Everytime I am on safari I see Gay Lions getting raped, beat up, made to eat with the lion cubs, spat on etc. I find it disgusting that you don't support gay lion rights. I suppose that the rights of straight female komodo dragons are also not one of your 'four elite segments' then?
    I'm happy to use a different term for the four cases, as the terminology doesn't affect my argument (and neither would the addition of GLBTQ, except to add complexity). It is still the case that someone can be born gay, in which case their lives would be particularly affected by gay rights issues, or someone can be born female, in which case their lives would be particularly affected by feminist issues.

    No one would consider it acceptable to attack gay people or women, purely on the basis that they are particularly affected by gay rights or feminist (or other) issues. And it would be unacceptable to attack gay rights activists for advocating gay rights issues. But for some reason, it is increasingly considered acceptable to attack feminists simply for being advocates for women. Why is this acceptable? - attacks on women's advocates are attacks on women. That is why I strongly agree with the OP's position - people who attack feminists purely for daring to wear the label are bigots.

    I agree with you that women 'for the large part have equal rights to men' (society is completely different to the way it was when feminism started out), but there is still work to do, including ensuring that progress doesn't go into reverse. By all means attack specific feminist policies on the merits and demerits of each case, but attacking feminists for being feminists is utterly wrong. And bigoted.
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    I've seen what getting jizzed on by a group of people does to a man, it is not pretty. I wasn't a part of it but when I was 12 or 13 I went to a sleep away summer camp and this is like when we were starting to discover porn and jacking off. Some kid brought some playboys and naked playing cards, **** like that with him. Anyway, one kid in our cabin was a huge tool, stole stuff like food and money from other people in our cabin. So half a dozen kids decided one night to wake up in the middle of the night at like 3 a.m and take turns jacking off in the bathroom, running out before they finished and blowing their load on the kid when he was sleeping. Literally 6-8 kids did this, all over his face, sheets, upper body, and hands, one kid also did it in his shoes. So everyone else wakes up the next morning and we all knew what had happened but this kid couldn't figure out why he was all sticky for like 15 minutes until a counselor forced it out of a kid. When the kid found out he went absolutely nuts, like certifiably crazy mental breakdown. He had to leave the camp for psychiatric treatment, worst part was after he took a shower and went to leave he stepped in the jizz shoes and also like 6 of my friends I never saw again because they got kicked out.
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    (Original post by marcus2001)
    I've seen what getting jizzed on by a group of people does to a man, it is not pretty. I wasn't a part of it but when I was 12 or 13 I went to a sleep away summer camp and this is like when we were starting to discover porn and jacking off. Some kid brought some playboys and naked playing cards, **** like that with him. Anyway, one kid in our cabin was a huge tool, stole stuff like food and money from other people in our cabin. So half a dozen kids decided one night to wake up in the middle of the night at like 3 a.m and take turns jacking off in the bathroom, running out before they finished and blowing their load on the kid when he was sleeping. Literally 6-8 kids did this, all over his face, sheets, upper body, and hands, one kid also did it in his shoes. So everyone else wakes up the next morning and we all knew what had happened but this kid couldn't figure out why he was all sticky for like 15 minutes until a counselor forced it out of a kid. When the kid found out he went absolutely nuts, like certifiably crazy mental breakdown. He had to leave the camp for psychiatric treatment, worst part was after he took a shower and went to leave he stepped in the jizz shoes and also like 6 of my friends I never saw again because they got kicked out.
    :lolwut:what the hell are you taking?

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