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Reply 2580
Original post by Zzzyax
the reaction will be slow froming an ester


why is it slow
Original post by otrivine
glutamic acid is refluxed with excess ethanol and and concentrated h2so4 catalyst. Write an equation for this reaction


glutamic acid is

h2nch(ch2ch2cooh)cooh


h2nch(ch2ch2cooh)cooh + 2ch3ch2oh --> h2nch(ch2chcooch2ch3)cooch2ch3 + 2h20 ?
Original post by Zzzyax
tollens reagent, formed by NaOH and AgNO3 with NH3

Good and the observation?
Reply 2583
Original post by otrivine
the product would be ethanoic acid and nh3+ch2ch3

very hard


ch3conhch3 + ch3ooh
Original post by ihatepeople37
I will ask again.... What is the reagent and the observation that can distinguish between a ketone and an aldehyde?


You can either use 2,4-DNP to form an orange precipitate, filter, recrystallize, melt, and compare melting points to known values, OR you can use Tollen's Reagent - forms a silver-grey precipitate/mirror if added to an aldehyde, as it is a weak oxidising agent.
Reply 2585
How much do we actually have to know about GC / GC-MS?
Reply 2586
Original post by ihatepeople37
Good and the observation?

SILVER MIRROR for aldehydes, no reaction for ketones

no reaction for alcohols because it is not a strong enough oxidising agent, we actually tried to do it in a chemistry lesson in school it did not work
Reply 2587
Original post by Zzzyax
ch3conhch3 + ch3ooh


how did you use your knowledge to get

CH3CONHCH3?
Reply 2588
Original post by otrivine
why is it slow


becuase phenol is such a weak acid
Original post by narli
anyone got the january 2013 paper and markscheme please?


I have, but idk how to attach things on here =\ you can pm your email address if you want
Reply 2590
Original post by MathsNerd1
h2nch(ch2ch2cooh)cooh + 2ch3ch2oh --> h2nch(ch2chcooch2ch3)cooch2ch3 + 2h20 ?


Correct!
Original post by otrivine
how did you use your knowledge to get

CH3CONHCH3?


The carboxylic acid group reacts with the amine group forming a peptide/amide link?
Original post by Zaphod77
You can either use 2,4-DNP to form an orange precipitate, filter, recrystallize, melt, and compare melting points to known values, OR you can use Tollen's Reagent - forms a silver-grey precipitate/mirror if added to an aldehyde, as it is a weak oxidising agent.

You absolute tank
Reply 2593
Jan f324 question paper & ms :wink:
Original post by Zzzyax
SILVER MIRROR for aldehydes, no reaction for ketones

no reaction for alcohols because it is not a strong enough oxidising agent, we actually tried to do it in a chemistry lesson in school it did not work

Sick work
Oh yeah just to confirm, is the difference between a peptide and amide link just that a peptide link involves AMINO ACIDS ONLY whereas amide link is just reaction of COOH and NH2??
Reply 2596
Original post by otrivine
how did you use your knowledge to get

CH3CONHCH3?


CH3COO- and CH3NH2, is like forming a peptide bond, CH3COOH is like always a side product in anhydride reactions
Original post by otrivine
Correct!


Thanks! :biggrin: What's saponification?
Reply 2598
Original post by Sarangtaec
Oh yeah just to confirm, is the difference between a peptide and amide link just that a peptide link involves AMINO ACIDS ONLY whereas amide link is just reaction of COOH and NH2??


Yep
Reply 2599
Original post by Zzzyax
CH3COO- and CH3NH2, is like forming a peptide bond, CH3COOH is like always a side product in anhydride reactions


I see, thanks!

do you have more ,you always give interesting questions

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