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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    I think you'll find it very unlikely that the Indians will get F22s. That's US dream kit and India is still quite pally with the Russians. Pakistan is very heavily backed by China.....interestingly a nation that itself is at odds with the Chinese. Both Airforces are reasonably competent, but it still comes down to a ground war. .
    No they are not, paksitan is still an offical 'ally' of USA, China have no interest in giving anything to paksitan they coulnd trust would end up in someone elses hands.
    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    It was Benezir Bhuto's father who oversaw Pakistans Nuclear development. One phrase he came out with still resonates and it goes along the lines of this.As India now has a nuclear weapon, so Pakistan must have them. Even if it means we must eat grass for the next 20 years to pay for it.Why does everybody think that as people have nukes they'll fire them off at the first sign of trouble? The Indians have clashed militarily in the past. They'll do it again. .
    that is paksitan attitude, they could not and cannot ordinarily afford developemnt and maintanece of nukes and at same time maintain their country, but paranoia of what india is up to superceeds this. Similar situation to USSR arms race with USA, except paksitan is not in level of USSR. paksitan dont fancy a aurthodox military clash with india, hence why ISI developed terrorist camps they could plausibly deny (or not so plausibly)
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    (Original post by FCI)
    USA already tried to sell a load of F-18s and 35s to india but failed in competiton from the russian Su, due to their long standing relations- dont u read the news james1000 But USA is desperate to become the major shareholder in the worlds biggest arms spender, india.They will want to do this before Russia starts supplying India with supersonic PAK-FA which will rival the F-22 anyway.And snetate house are perfectly aware of this, it is only a amtter of time and india will be amoung the first they sell raptor to. In addtion USA are trygint to get India involved ina new Joint strike F-35 fighter. paksitan doesnt have current issue with china borders becuase it ceeded its border to china for fear of a fight.
    Don't change the subject........you said they are going to get f-22's........the simple answer is no they aren't, export ban and also India is technically a rising super power, so I don't see why they would sell technology to them which is far beyond them and the USA wouldn't trust them with it.........they'll only sell it once the technology becomes outdated and theres a new aircraft being developed, otherwise they wouldn't sell their advantage.

    F-35 is the most they'll get...........f-22 is a decade or 2 away, when tech is outdated.
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    (Original post by James10000)
    and 9/11 was partially planned in Germany. Also Pakistanis nukes are funded indepdently of US Aid. the US Aid was part of CSF which reimburses nations who spend money fighting the War on Terror. IE you only get money back you already spent. Also the US trains armies in counter terrorism which is cost like 500 million a year but got cancelled. .
    7/7 bombers were all fully trained in pakistan, not incidentally. And we knpw those camps have blessing of pakistani government. 7/7 wasnt in isolation, madrid bombings, bali, and 9/11 all had links traced back to pakistan camps.not to mention the scores of al queda operatives that have been cpatured or killed by USA in paksitan- probably more than in afganistan. The difficulty for USa has been that paksitan has historically been an 'ally' against the ex communist bloc, but not fooled that paksitan only ever followed its own islamist led priorites.
    (Original post by James10000)
    1971 was more on an Internal defeat a Civil War followed by External War. Also Pakistan was Under UN sanctions whilst India had a friendship treaty with the Soviet Union.So unless Pakistan has another civil war and India has another defence treaty its not the same situation.
    Err.. no, 1971 was pakistan (West) executing student protestors and non moslems in bangladesh- it was described as a brink genocide by un. India upon request of the now bangladeshis launched a full invasion of east pakstan and and pakstan lauched an attempt invasion of kashmir. On both fronts india defeated pakistan, liberated and therefore created Bangladesh and took the largest post WW surrender of troops, over 100,000.
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    (Original post by Iqbal007)
    Don't change the subject........you said they are going to get f-22's........the simple answer is no they aren't, export ban and also India is technically a rising super power, so I don't see why they would sell technology to them which is far beyond them and the USA wouldn't trust them with it.........they'll only sell it once the technology becomes outdated and theres a new aircraft being developed, otherwise they wouldn't sell their advantage. F-35 is the most they'll get...........f-22 is a decade or 2 away, when tech is outdated.
    i didnt change anything, isaid formthe beginning that india as a powerful ally to usa will get raptors, and not too far away either federal law will change at request of the white house, they understand the importance of foreign policy and economics. India will have the choice of the Pak-Fa and F22, in either case they are already left paksitan in the comparative stone age.this is without discussing the intelligence tech, missle defence and sattelite tech they already get from usa and israel.
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    (Original post by FCI)
    i didnt change anything, isaid formthe beginning that india as a powerful ally to usa will get raptors, and not too far away either federal law will change at request of the white house, they understand the importance of foreign policy and economics. India will have the choice of the Pak-Fa and F22, in either case they are already left paksitan in the comparative stone age.this is without discussing the intelligence tech, missle defence and sattelite tech they already get from usa and israel.
    India isn't exactly an ally like the UK, Austrailia, etc are, India is essentially a major rival to the US.
    Another you forget is that India is quite neutral between Russia and the US, they already do major defense co-operation together, the US wouldn't risk their technology falling into Russian hands.
    If the USA are quite a bit unwilling to give the f-22 to Israel why would they suddenly give it to India, this will only happen 10+ years.
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    (Original post by FCI)
    i didnt change anything, isaid formthe beginning that india as a powerful ally to usa will get raptors, and not too far away either federal law will change at request of the white house, they understand the importance of foreign policy and economics. India will have the choice of the Pak-Fa and F22, in either case they are already left paksitan in the comparative stone age.this is without discussing the intelligence tech, missle defence and sattelite tech they already get from usa and israel.
    Dream on. Have you beenlooking at your top trump cards for combat aircraft.

    We're even having difficulty letting the Americans give us access to the software codes for the F35 that we've helped develop with them.

    Seen anybodt taking up the offer to buy the B2 or the F117.

    This isn't anything new. The Russians wouldn't sell even their closest allies their newest kit. India has a snow balls chance in hell of getting brand new Gucci kit from Uncle Sam.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    Dream on. Have you beenlooking at your top trump cards for combat aircraft.We're even having difficulty letting the Americans give us access to the software codes for the F35 that we've helped develop with them.Seen anybodt taking up the offer to buy the B2 or the F117.This isn't anything new. The Russians wouldn't sell even their closest allies their newest kit. India has a snow balls chance in hell of getting brand new Gucci kit from Uncle Sam.
    lol sounds like you are the one dreaming- did you eeven read my post about USA offer to india for a new join strike F-35?what would be the point holding out the f22 when india will be shortly offerred te PAK-FA which is touted to match it for performance. USA only has the f22 it can use to gain inda as a main military customer, russia has been selling its best kit to india for decades.
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    (Original post by Iqbal007)
    India isn't exactly an ally like the UK, Austrailia, etc are, India is essentially a major rival to the US.Another you forget is that India is quite neutral between Russia and the US, they already do major defense co-operation together, the US wouldn't risk their technology falling into Russian hands. If the USA are quite a bit unwilling to give the f-22 to Israel why would they suddenly give it to India, this will only happen 10+ years.
    india is new ally to usa, but economically far more valuable than uk and certainly than australia. when us decide to sell f22 to india it will to other allies too (ie japan , and possibly israel, although how many they will be able to buy is debateable) Its usas aim to make india a main ally, both for geographic reasons (prox to china/russia) and obvious economic ones. India know this.russians already have f-22 esq tech lol, dont you even know that, so usa dont care about this anymore- maybe 8 years ago. China also have stealth fighters in the offing
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    Seen anybodt taking up the offer to buy the B2 or the F117..
    err, no, beauce these are ostensibly vombers, we are taking about fighters :facepalm:
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    (Original post by FCI)
    err, no, beauce these are ostensibly vombers, we are taking about fighters :facepalm:
    Are you a troll?

    Yes they're bombers. But the fact is they have a high degree of highly classified technology in them that the US won't want to share with.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    Are you a troll?Yes they're bombers. But the fact is they have a high degree of highly classified technology in them that the US won't want to share with.
    trolllolwe were talking about 5th gen fighters in this discussion, you may have jumped in out of your depth, this isnt xbox. russia already have equivalent 'classified technology' found in B2 etc and the PAK FA has already been scematically to be at a par and in some cases outperforming f-22. India is interested in a multipurpose long range stealth fighters hence why we are talking about raptors and Pak FA, not bombers lol. go back to sleep
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    (Original post by FCI)
    trolllolwe were talking about 5th gen fighters in this discussion, you may have jumped in out of your depth, this isnt xbox. russia already have equivalent 'classified technology' found in B2 etc and the PAK FA has already been scematically to be at a par and in some cases outperforming f-22. India is interested in a multipurpose long range stealth fighters hence why we are talking about raptors and Pak FA, not bombers lol. go back to sleep
    And they're sharing that technology with who exactly? Cause they're not even sharing it with India at the moment who they have a long history of defence procurement with. They're having to opt for a 4.5 gen aircrat. Either the Rapheal or Typhoon.
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    (Original post by FCI)
    india is new ally to usa, but economically far more valuable than uk and certainly than australia. when us decide to sell f22 to india it will to other allies too (ie japan , and possibly israel, although how many they will be able to buy is debateable) Its usas aim to make india a main ally, both for geographic reasons (prox to china/russia) and obvious economic ones. India know this.russians already have f-22 esq tech lol, dont you even know that, so usa dont care about this anymore- maybe 8 years ago. China also have stealth fighters in the offing
    Yes economically far more valuable........but they'll play the same card as they do with China but be more lenient. Japan are already making there own 5th generation stealth jet.....Well so far Australia are closest to getting a f22 rather then any of them. Russain copycat technology isn't as good.
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    (Original post by FCI)
    lol sounds like you are the one dreaming- did you eeven read my post about USA offer to india for a new join strike F-35?what would be the point holding out the f22 when india will be shortly offerred te PAK-FA which is touted to match it for performance. USA only has the f22 it can use to gain inda as a main military customer, russia has been selling its best kit to india for decades.
    As Russia wouldn't even it's best kit to it's Warsaw pact allies in the cold war I would have to say no. Russia, the US, France or even the UK never really sell their best kit until it's a few years old.

    There's a little bit more to a plane, or a ship, or a tank than what it looks like on the outside.

    If we're talking planes we're talking Avionics, weapons kit, radars, maintenance, training etc.

    The Americans have been trying to pimp out the F35 for some time to cover development costs. They sold the Pakistanis the F16...... but not a suitable look down shoot down radar system.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    And they're sharing that technology with who exactly? Cause they're not even sharing it with India at the moment who they have a long history of defence procurement with. They're having to opt for a 4.5 gen aircrat. Either the Rapheal or Typhoon.
    Russia have been developing the Pak FA in conjuction with india, who will inevitabley be the biggest buyer of it - so clearly you have no clue on this subject. its a 5th gen fighter with all the bells and whistles and has full stealth capability. it has been benchmarked by indepednant defense anaylsyst to be outperfoem f22 in various areas also, particulalrly maneouverbilty and evasion.regardless india would still want to consider the F-22 too given its track record.suggest you school yourself up to modern standards on these topics.
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    (Original post by Iqbal007)
    Yes economically far more valuable........but they'll play the same card as they do with China but be more lenient. Japan are already making there own 5th generation stealth jet.....Well so far Australia are closest to getting a f22 rather then any of them. Russain copycat technology isn't as good.
    see above post, clearly you have little or no understanding of what the Pak-FA is and what it means, or look up T-50. who says autralia is closest to getting f-22s lol whats in it for the US ?
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    (Original post by FCI)
    Russia have been developing the Pak FA in conjuction with india, who will inevitabley be the biggest buyer of it - so clearly you have no clue on this subject. its a 5th gen fighter with all the bells and whistles and has full stealth capability. it has been benchmarked by indepednant defense anaylsyst to be outperfoem f22 in various areas also, particulalrly maneouverbilty and evasion.regardless india would still want to consider the F-22 too given its track record.suggest you school yourself up to modern standards on these topics.
    I'd be interested to see these reports by independent defence analysts.

    The Indians have been put off buying the Eurofighter due to cost at a paltry £64 Million a pop. I'm having diffuclty seeing how they'd buy the F22 at almost double the cost.

    India also have a habit of getting Hindustan airctaft to build the bulk of Inidan aircraft. They'll buy the first few but expect to make teh rest. The yanks won't be giving away that capability for some time
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    (Original post by FCI)
    see above post, clearly you have little or no understanding of what the Pak-FA is and what it means, or look up T-50. who says autralia is closest to getting f-22s lol whats in it for the US ?
    Enhanced containment of China by ensuring a close ally has inter operable aircraft whilst the US re aligns it's geo political focus to SE Asia?

    But it's unlikely as it's too expensive a fly away cost. My guess is that the Ozzies will continue up grading their F/A18's or go for the F35 A model.
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    (Original post by Legal drugdealer)
    shut up you moron
    Listen dear just because youre ill informed about anything and everything doesnt mean everyone else is :')
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    Enhanced containment of China by ensuring a close ally has inter operable aircraft whilst the US re aligns it's geo political focus to SE Asia?But it's unlikely as it's too expensive a fly away cost. My guess is that the Ozzies will continue up grading their F/A18's or go for the F35 A model.
    and containment of china wil be accomplished better by putting f22s down in australia than in india? lol someone get this guy a globe.as per your earlier post, indias requirement for upgraded aircraft isnt pressing, the Su 30mki is vastly superior to anything paksitan has or will have, it was the craft indian pilots used when they trounced USAF pilots in the infamous joint trianing excercise vs US F-15/16s. The only superior aircraft current out there is the F22, eurofighter is largely seen as big pricey flop, that why they didnt by it. However the Pak-FA will negate any short term requirement for the f22 and is largely being built to Indian requirement and payload requirement as we speak. And will no doubt be much cheaper. But US will eventually use it as a deal sweetner to get india on board, as it looks to acquire anti-china military allies.
 
 
 
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