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    What on Earth is up with hatred and dislike of Jews, simply for being "Jews" (Culturally? Religiously?).

    What is up with that?

    Where does this stem from? From the crucifixion of Jesus?

    What is the reasoning behind dislike and hatred of Jews? What is the "logic" (if there is any) behind it?

    I simply cannot understand and I'm trying to see what this nonsense is all about - as I've known many Jews my whole life and I can't get my head around why anybody would hate someone for simply being Jewish (again, culturally? Religiously?)

    Interested in any thoughts.

    P.S.

    I haven't been brought up with hate, so this is why I struggle to understand the unnecessary hate.
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    Anti-semitism has been a phenomena since Greek times. But the ancient Jews have not exactly been innocent. The Jews were a subversive element in society at the time and still continues in some circles today. This subversive element of their culture created the Old Testament, The Jewish Talmud, the antagonistic philosophies of Marx, the Communist Manifesto, the Fabian Society, Third Wave Feminism. The Jews have been at the forefront of almost all revolutionary movements: the Bolshevik Revolution, the Russian Revolution, the French Revolution, Cultural Marxism, Dialectical Materialism, Atheism (as a movement), Anarchy (as a movement and a philosophy), Unions and Labour movements (Marxist Socialism), Freemasonry and fraternity (crypto-Judaism). The Jews have excelled in certain areas and have stamped their influence on them some good and some bad: Hollywood, media, banking and finance, etc. We are living in post-Judeo-Christian times!

    The history of the Jewish people from Greek times to the present day has been of a subversive (perhaps necessary in some cases) character. Usually the response towards anti-semitism is to claim that that it stems from a hatred of their race. This is not always the case, and many Jewish organisations like the ADL, for example, have tried to skew the message labelling anyone who criticises Jewish supremacism as anti-Jewish. That is just a mark of their character which they have inherited from Greek times. The subversive character of the Jews is very much underestimated.
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    Another way of putting what Martyn* just said is that Jews have a bad habit of prospering together. As communities they almost always manage to do so to some degree. They thrive financially even in environments of austerity. Jews have a mind for identifying opportunities in business and an aptitude for exploiting those opportunities. They are also innately loyal to other Jews. The Jewish people tend to enable and support each others ventures as a community. This fiscal unity tends to give them a leg up, often to the detriment of competitors outside of the Jewish religion/race.

    The ignorant might resent their disproportional level of power, influence, and wealth. The wise might choose to join or emulate those same practices which have been proven to be so successful. There have always been many ignorant people in the world. I for one respect the Jews.
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    There is no sense behind it


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    (Original post by Martyn*)
    Anti-semitism has been a phenomena since Greek times. But the ancient Jews have not exactly been innocent. The Jews were a subversive element in society at the time and still continues in some circles today. This subversive element of their culture created the Old Testament, The Jewish Talmud, the antagonistic philosophies of Marx, the Communist Manifesto, the Fabian Society, Third Wave Feminism. The Jews have been at the forefront of almost all revolutionary movements: the Bolshevik Revolution, the Russian Revolution, the French Revolution, Cultural Marxism, Dialectical Materialism, Atheism (as a movement), Anarchy (as a movement and a philosophy), Unions and Labour movements (Marxist Socialism), Freemasonry and fraternity (crypto-Judaism). The Jews have excelled in certain areas and have stamped their influence on them some good and some bad: Hollywood, media, banking and finance, etc. We are living in post-Judeo-Christian times!

    The history of the Jewish people from Greek times to the present day has been of a subversive (perhaps necessary in some cases) character. Usually the response towards anti-semitism is to claim that that it stems from a hatred of their race. This is not always the case, and many Jewish organisations like the ADL, for example, have tried to skew the message labelling anyone who criticises Jewish supremacism as anti-Jewish. That is just a mark of their character which they have inherited from Greek times. The subversive character of the Jews is very much underestimated.

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    (Original post by ckingalt)
    Another way of putting what Martyn* just said is that Jews have a bad habit of prospering together. As communities they almost always manage to do so to some degree. They thrive financially even in environments of austerity. Jews have a mind for identifying opportunities in business and an aptitude for exploiting those opportunities. They are also innately loyal to other Jews. The Jewish people tend to enable and support each others ventures as a community. This fiscal unity tends to give them a leg up, often to the detriment of competitors outside of the Jewish religion/race.

    The ignorant might resent their disproportional level of power, influence, and wealth. The wise might choose to join or emulate those same practices which have been proven to be so successful. There have always been many ignorant people in the world. I for one respect the Jews.
    I see this phenomenon in a few other minorities. It's not unique to Jews, but Jews have been a minority in Europe for a very long time, so they perhaps get the stick for it more than others.
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    (Original post by RemiMarcelle)
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    They are hated for things like this, the lady states that there is no sense behind it, implying that it is irrational and therefore must be some sort of psychopathology. The people who have pushed these ideas have almost always been Jews, which leads me back to my point; they identify that racial prejudice and anti-Jewish sentiment is wrong and makes you the lowest of the low while simultaneously being the most enthocentric tribe to ever walk the earth.

    And for the record, it isn't just a religion, it is a sort of "ethno-religion", check the Torah and Talmud for clear explanations and evidence on this.

    Also, the lad above who touched on the revolutions and political movements was spot on, "subversive" is the key word there.

    You have to admire them though, they are extremely intelligent and talented.
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    (Original post by HumanSupremacist)
    Jewish Humans - I just cannot understand hate towards them....
    I know, right? I can understand hate towards Jewish cats, but Jewish humans? Jesus, that's just going way too far.
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    (Original post by Snagprophet)
    I know, right? I can understand hate towards Jewish cats, but Jewish humans? Jesus, that's just going way too far.
    Are you taking the Michael? What are your views on the issue?
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    (Original post by HumanSupremacist)
    Are you taking the Michael? What are your views on the issue?
    I think he's just picking up on "Jewish humans" being a bit of a strange way of saying "Jews" or "Jewish people".
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    (Original post by HumanSupremacist)
    What on Earth is up with hatred and dislike of Jews, simply for being "Jews" (Culturally? Religiously?).

    What is up with that?

    Where does this stem from? From the crucifixion of Jesus?

    What is the reasoning behind dislike and hatred of Jews? What is the "logic" (if there is any) behind it?

    I simply cannot understand and I'm trying to see what this nonsense is all about - as I've known many Jews my whole life and I can't get my head around why anybody would hate someone for simply being Jewish (again, culturally? Religiously?)

    Interested in any thoughts.

    P.S.

    I haven't been brought up with hate, so this is why I struggle to understand the unnecessary hate.
    The reason that anti-Semitism has survived is its remarkable ability to adapt to whatever society it flourishes in. Christian Europe portrayed the Jew as the Christ-killer (a false accusation, but it stuck); Enlightenment Europe saw the Jew as the religious reactionary; racial anti-Semitism saw religious anti-Semitism as irrational and sought to explain their hatred of Jews in biological terms; communist utopias saw Jews as capitalist reactionaries; anti-communists saw Jews as seeking to destroy capitalism. Modern society hasn't quite decided yet but it doesn't take much to see that anti-Semitism is still very much widespread and has adopted new themes. (Jews exploiting their suffering for monetary gain is one of these themes. The idea that the Holocaust is unimportant/exaggerated is another.) Perhaps the most dangerous and potent anti-Semitism around today is that exhibited by the user Martyn*, who has essentially "justified" anti-Semitism by referring to his vast conspiracy theories that place the Jews behind everything from communism to Freemasonry, religion to atheism, control of the media to silencing of their opponents. Naturally (since he is a conspiracy theorist, which means he has a peculiar tendency to look for non-existent "hidden forces" behind things that can be explained perfectly logically) Martyn* is an anti-Semite, being someone who exhibits very obvious anti-Semitic beliefs, tendencies and language (with his talk of "marks of their character" and "Jewish supremacy"). Anti-Semitism tends to flourish in people and societies that set themselves against things or sense some kind of "hidden threat" (or "subversive element" as the anti-Semite stated earlier), and there's the argument to be made that most European societies (and by extension Western civilisation as a whole) have an undercurrent of anti-Semitism that lies "dormant" and can be awakened at the right moments. (See here.)

    There is another common anti-Semitic theme that clouds people's perception of anti-Semitism, and no doubt this claim will be made against me in my statements on Martyn*. It is the claim that Jews "invent" anti-Semitism or "cry wolf" or whatnot in order to silence their critics. This is a variation on several anti-Semitic themes. One, it presents Jews as weak and feeble, seeing the need to run to the authorities for protection. Two, it portrays them to be paranoid and over-reactive (another old charge levelled against them). Finally, in a more sinister fashion, it presents Jews as devious, conspiratorial and censorious. It makes the claim that Jews try to "silence" people by calling them anti-Semites, and that they organise into groups to shut down free debate in favour of Jewish interests. Martyn* made this very claim earlier about the ADL. Sadly, people are all too unaware of the ways anti-Semitism can manifest itself - hidden or not. People think that anti-Semitism is only anti-Semitism if it comes dressed up in a Nazi uniform, whereas in fact anti-Semitism has a very rich and varied cultural history and it's very easy to blame the Jews for just about everything, as Martyn* has done. So if anyone is thinking of telling me that I'm overreacting to Martyn*'s comments, consider that just about every single thing he wrote is a variation on dozens of very ancient and very catastrophic anti-Jewish conspiracies. (And all anti-Semites have presented the Jews as cunning and clever - that is, as a people very capable of carrying out their "plans". So when someone suggests that all Jews are intelligent because of their ethnicity, it's usually a warning signal.)
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    Jews rule the world innit (sarcasm).

    To be honest the Jewish lobbies do have considerable influence in the congress.

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    its mostly a reaction to judaism itself.

    jewish religion is a 3000 year old ethnic religion which ties their ethnicity to the divine. its essentially an ethnic supremacist cult.

    throughout the centuries they have also self segregated into their own, quasi autonomous regions and kept themselves away from the host society -- they celebrate the fact they have avoided assimilation while promoting it for others.

    there is also a lot of hatred directed against gentiles in their religious texts.

    judaism is simply not a universal faith like christianity and islam. it is far older than both those faiths but there are only about 15 million jews in the world compared to over 2 billion christians and muslims.

    its a very exclusive club.

    now, don't think i am picking on judaism here if you want me to rant about other religions i will. its just amazing how people, who are increasingly becoming less religious and more critical of religion, christianity and islam especially, still have this absurd blind spot for judaism and refuse to criticise it.
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    (Original post by ckingalt)
    Another way of putting what Martyn* just said is that Jews have a bad habit of prospering together. As communities they almost always manage to do so to some degree. They thrive financially even in environments of austerity. Jews have a mind for identifying opportunities in business and an aptitude for exploiting those opportunities. They are also innately loyal to other Jews. The Jewish people tend to enable and support each others ventures as a community. This fiscal unity tends to give them a leg up, often to the detriment of competitors outside of the Jewish religion/race.

    The ignorant might resent their disproportional level of power, influence, and wealth. The wise might choose to join or emulate those same practices which have been proven to be so successful. There have always been many ignorant people in the world. I for one respect the Jews.
    so, you want people to copy their extreme ethnic networking? -- usually thats called racism if other groups attempt to do it.
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    (Original post by rolos12345)
    its mostly a reaction to judaism itself.
    No obscene hatred is ever a 'reaction'. Genocides and pogroms are not 'reactions'. Your description suggests that Jews really were conspiring against everyone and that these massacres and hatreds of Jews were justified.

    jewish religion is a 3000 year old ethnic religion which ties their ethnicity to the divine. its essentially an ethnic supremacist cult.
    And is open to anyone, not to mention the fact that it specifically states that all people are equal in the eyes of God.

    throughout the centuries they have also self segregated into their own, quasi autonomous regions and kept themselves away from the host society -- they celebrate the fact they have avoided assimilation while promoting it for others.
    Most Jews in most societies have assimilated. It was rather hard for them to do so before the past 200 years considering that it was literally forbidden by the host societies for them to do so. Y'know, when you're walled in a ghetto by a medieval Christian society that regards you as the incarnation of Satan, it's hard to integrate. Conversely, the fact that Jews were a well-integrated and integral part of Muslim societies in the centuries before the 1950s shows your claim to be completely and utterly ignorant and false.

    there is also a lot of hatred directed against gentiles in their religious texts.
    No there isn't. That's another rather unfortunate lie that has led to a lot of deaths.

    judaism is simply not a universal faith like christianity and islam. it is far older than both those faiths but there are only about 15 million jews in the world compared to over 2 billion christians and muslims.
    It is a universal religion insofar as it contains universal truths and states that their God is also the God of all humanity. Just because Jews don't preach and try to convert others doesn't mean people can't convert to Judaism. Many people have done and continue to do so.

    now, don't think i am picking on judaism here if you want me to rant about other religions i will. its just amazing how people, who are increasingly becoming less religious and more critical of religion, christianity and islam especially, still have this absurd blind spot for judaism and refuse to criticise it.
    It's very common for people to criticise Judaism. Some, like you, go further and criticise Jews.
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    (Original post by Martyn*)
    Anti-semitism has been a phenomena since Greek times. But the ancient Jews have not exactly been innocent. The Jews were a subversive element in society at the time and still continues in some circles today. This subversive element of their culture created the Old Testament, The Jewish Talmud, the antagonistic philosophies of Marx, the Communist Manifesto, the Fabian Society, Third Wave Feminism. The Jews have been at the forefront of almost all revolutionary movements: the Bolshevik Revolution, the Russian Revolution, the French Revolution, Cultural Marxism, Dialectical Materialism, Atheism (as a movement), Anarchy (as a movement and a philosophy), Unions and Labour movements (Marxist Socialism), Freemasonry and fraternity (crypto-Judaism). The Jews have excelled in certain areas and have stamped their influence on them some good and some bad: Hollywood, media, banking and finance, etc. We are living in post-Judeo-Christian times!

    The history of the Jewish people from Greek times to the present day has been of a subversive (perhaps necessary in some cases) character. Usually the response towards anti-semitism is to claim that that it stems from a hatred of their race. This is not always the case, and many Jewish organisations like the ADL, for example, have tried to skew the message labelling anyone who criticises Jewish supremacism as anti-Jewish. That is just a mark of their character which they have inherited from Greek times. The subversive character of the Jews is very much underestimated.
    this is just naked anti-semitism
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    (Original post by Kibalchich)
    this is just naked anti-semitism
    Prove it.
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    I don't hate Jews, the only thing I hate however is them droning on and on about the holocaust and this collective sense of guilt they impose.

    Get over it already.
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    (Original post by Martyn*)
    Prove it.
    Well, the fact that you just regurgitated almost every anti-semitic trope going.
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    (Original post by Kibalchich)
    Well, the fact that you just regurgitated almost every anti-semitic trope going.
    The language I used was not all figurative. A lot of it was historical. So please prove it. One last try. Go-on.
 
 
 
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