Do you guys think it's good to workout to failure? I know some people seem to still think you can make gains without even getting close but it has always been my target to at least get close to failure. It has always been my theory that if you don't want to cry after a workout then it wasn't a proper workout.
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(Original post by The_Last_Melon)
Do you guys think it's good to workout to failure? I know some people seem to still think you can make gains without even getting close but it has always been my target to at least get close to failure. It has always been my theory that if you don't want to cry after a workout then it wasn't a proper workout.
How you feel is not a measure of anything because you can't measure it and everyone reacts differently. The only measures are progressive overload and your weight (by this I'm implying at the mirror too ; sure it's subjective but I think everyone has a good idea of mirror progress).
I don't train to failure. It sometimes happens. No point IMO but not gonna argue with you if that's what you prefer doing.
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- 09-03-2013 15:21
No I wouldn't as silent ninja said it can make you less likely to continue with it
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No I wouldn't as silent ninja said it can make you less likely to continue with it -
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Not even sure what people mean by failure...as in doing stupid drop sets after or doing as many reps as possible on a certain weight? If the second one I do that every session for pretty much all compounds. I always do low reps, but I basically work with close to my max weight and max effort for everything....I should probably periodise my programme and do %s etc but I cannot be bothered.
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- 09-03-2013 16:09
(Original post by The_Last_Melon)
I kind of enjoy the pain though, but yeah it does make recovery take a very long time. -
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There is nothing physiologically special about failure from the point of view of gaining strength or muscle.
As Silent Ninja notes, progression in what you are actually able to lift is the key indicator for those things and thus the key thing to aim for.
If you are training hard and trying to maximise progression, you are bound to hit failure from time to time (especially as a relative beginner when it is harder to gauge how many reps are left) as a consequence anyway. -
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- 09-03-2013 16:16
Also to work to failure do you need to actually fail the lift...or just know you're unable to do another rep, so you stop?
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- 09-03-2013 16:18
I train to failure, preacher curls ftw
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- 09-03-2013 16:20
(Original post by McHumpy92)
Also to work to failure do you need to actually fail the lift...or just know you're unable to do another rep, so you stop?
Usually I'm not going 100% so I just predict my failure but you never really know unless you try. -
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- 09-03-2013 17:51
(Original post by The_Last_Melon)
I kind of enjoy the pain though, but yeah it does make recovery take a very long time.
I'm firmly in the camp of doing as much quality work as possible AS FRESH as possible. Training to failure goes against this and has little to no benefit IMO. It's just not necessary. -
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- 10-03-2013 09:17
(Original post by The_Last_Melon)
Do you guys think it's good to workout to failure? I know some people seem to still think you can make gains without even getting close but it has always been my target to at least get close to failure. It has always been my theory that if you don't want to cry after a workout then it wasn't a proper workout.
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- 10-03-2013 12:49
(Original post by silent ninja)
So you go through mentally and physically draining pain every workout? Even pro athletes don't train like that, but if you can do that every workout despite work/study, family/partner, other commitments, and turning up at the gym half exhausted, then that's impressive.
I'm firmly in the camp of doing as much quality work as possible AS FRESH as possible. Training to failure goes against this and has little to no benefit IMO. It's just not necessary. -
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- 10-03-2013 15:20
(Original post by McHumpy92)
I think a lot of athletes do push themselves every main workout...they will just do recovery sessions between. Plenty of powerlifters, olympic lifters, strongmen etc push it every session....then middle distance runners do definitely. Some people are just mentally tough.
Anyway I understand we're talking about recreational lifters but by the same token maxing out every session and training to failure sounds like madness. If you can do that then great, but personally I like volume sessions, lighter sessions and deloads thrown in the mix.Last edited by silent ninja; 10-03-2013 at 15:24.
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