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    (Original post by Alex_Jones)
    Then the communism aspect of their name makes no sense at all.
    I was saying about pure anarchism not all of these knock offs of it i'm aware theres a few different types of anarchism (in name at least) while tbh its actually quite a simple ideology
    The ultimate goal of communism was always meant to be abolition of the state (which was seen as a bourgeois tool).

    "Pure anarchism" isn't really a thing since anarchism is an umbrella term.

    Broadly speaking, right-wing = embrace of "natural" hierarchies (economic or social); left-wing = rejection of hierarchies in favour of equality. A key aspect of anarchism is its rejection of hierarchical structure in society, hence it is usually considered left-wing (except the market-based forms like anarcho-capitalism).
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    (Original post by Redolent)
    The ultimate goal of communism was always meant to be abolition of the state (which was seen as a bourgeois tool).

    "Pure anarchism" isn't really a thing since anarchism is an umbrella term.

    Broadly speaking, right-wing = embrace of "natural" hierarchies (economic or social); left-wing = rejection of hierarchies in favour of equality. A key aspect of anarchism is its rejection of hierarchical structure in society, hence it is usually considered left-wing (except the market-based forms like anarcho-capitalism).
    Well the prediction of Marx was that we would all eventually progress back to a form of 'primitive communism' similar to a tribal society however in that society there would still be certain rules enforced by the tribe leader so not anarchism because that is pretty much no society, no rules, no institution's (capitalism etc) and well it became an umbrella term later on when other forms started appearing.
    Well yes right wing is natural hierarchies so if the state was completely dismantled etc then only the fittest would survive that is quite extreme right wing

    I can understand where you are coming from though i think little debates like this confirm that extreme politics are not so different from each other and that politics generally can get abit silly and nitpicky
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    (Original post by Alex_Jones)
    Then the communism aspect of their name makes no sense at all.
    Actually it does. In fact if anything it's a tautology. Marx and Engels themselves described communism as a stateless society which would be achieved by the 'withering away' of the state.

    No 'communist state' has ever actually called themselves that for this reason.
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    (Original post by Alex_Jones)
    Well yes right wing is natural hierarchies so if the state was completely dismantled etc then only the fittest would survive that is quite extreme right wing
    Thing is, this isn't actually what stateless societies tend to look like - they're usually based on mutual aid and communistic ideas.
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    Thing is, this isn't actually what stateless societies tend to look like - they're usually based on mutual aid and communistic ideas.
    I guess no one can really predict what a stateless society would turn out to be i guess it comes down to what you believe about human nature
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    What I find interesting is that the general view of right wingers is quite negative, as a result of the extreme right wing figures of the past.

    But if you compare say, the amount of people who died at the hands of extreme left wingers, you will find quite disturbing numbers. *cough* Mao *cough* Stalin.

    OT - The abolishment of the European Human Rights Act doesnt mean the government will start torturing people. The government will produce a Human Rights Act specific to the UK itself, made by the UK itself.

    There is nothing wrong with abolishing the Euro Human Rights Act, many people just tend to blow up over the supposed terrible consequences of it, which would in practice, be completely non-existent.
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    (Original post by HumanSupremacist)
    Do you know what some countries do? If you steal, they cut off the hand you used to steal. If you are a woman and commit a "crime", you're killed. Some countries do not even have proper trials. Many of those countries are barbarian and backward and are not as advanced.

    Would you like Britain to become like one of those countries?



    Britain is one of the leading countries in the world for a reason. If it started behaving like some barbarian countries, there's only one direction it'll be going: down.
    So being tough on criminals is the same as advocating amputation, is it? Get a grip.

    And Britain's already going downhill. Introducing some tough deterrents would at least enable us to dole out appropriate punishments.
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    (Original post by Jordan-James)
    What I find interesting is that the general view of right wingers is quite negative, as a result of the extreme right wing figures of the past.

    But if you compare say, the amount of people who died at the hands of extreme left wingers, you will find quite disturbing numbers. *cough* Mao *cough* Stalin.

    OT - The abolishment of the European Human Rights Act doesnt mean the government will start torturing people. The government will produce a Human Rights Act specific to the UK itself, made by the UK itself.

    There is nothing wrong with abolishing the Euro Human Rights Act, many people just tend to blow up over the supposed terrible consequences of it, which would in practice, be completely non-existent.
    Spot on. We'd have our own human rights bill, with common-sense ideas and rights given to victims rather than criminals.
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    The Human Rights Act has been turned into a charade thanks to the European Court of Human Rights. The idea that a 'family life' is a right, frankly, is nonsensical. I am all in favour of 'rights' with a British Bill of Rights for example, but not for these farcical, tenuous 'rights' which are more of a privilege than anything else.

    And I'm sorry this idea that scrapping the HRA will turn the country into a torturing hell-hole is just absolute codswallop.
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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    Everyone has human rights
    Under the Act it is only the suspect that is protected. Victim means nothing to the HRA that is main reason must people wot it gone.
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    (Original post by Jordan-James)
    What I find interesting is that the general view of right wingers is quite negative, as a result of the extreme right wing figures of the past.

    But if you compare say, the amount of people who died at the hands of extreme left wingers, you will find quite disturbing numbers. *cough* Mao *cough* Stalin.

    OT - The abolishment of the European Human Rights Act doesnt mean the government will start torturing people. The government will produce a Human Rights Act specific to the UK itself, made by the UK itself.

    There is nothing wrong with abolishing the Euro Human Rights Act, many people just tend to blow up over the supposed terrible consequences of it, which would in practice, be completely non-existent.
    The atrocities of left wing governments are well documented.

    What, in my opinion, is overlooked, is the deaths caused not directly as a result of capitalism but as a inevitable consequence of it.

    For instance, how many people have died in Africa in the last 60 years because there is no profit motive to provide food, water and basic medicine to those people.
 
 
 
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