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    Deepest sympathy to the Spanish people but is this the right message?

    "The leader of Spain's victorious Socialists said Monday he will withdraw his nation's support for the U.S.-led occupation of Iraq, restating a campaign promise a day after his party won elections overshadowed by terrorist bombings. Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, calling the war that ousted Saddam Hussein an "error," said he would recall Spanish troops from Iraq by June 30 unless the United Nations assumes control of multinational military operations there"
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    Good political move, rubbish international move. He needs to get more weight behind Anti-terrorism and the war on terror, not make the USA look bad. This could encorage more attacks on coalition members when they have political problems or conflicts to affect public opinion.
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    I thought about that.
    I think if thats what they were planning to do anyway, then thats their choice but I dont think that they should bow to the pressures of terrorism because it will make terrorist attacks more frequent not the other way round. Its like being bullied.
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    (Original post by Howard)
    Deepest sympathy to the Spanish people but is this the right message?

    "The leader of Spain's victorious Socialists said Monday he will withdraw his nation's support for the U.S.-led occupation of Iraq, restating a campaign promise a day after his party won elections overshadowed by terrorist bombings. Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, calling the war that ousted Saddam Hussein an "error," said he would recall Spanish troops from Iraq by June 30 unless the United Nations assumes control of multinational military operations there"
    aha, so the terrorists have won now?
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    The terrorist increased public anger at the war on Iraq by making them feel like they were made a target by the USA's agression. That made even more people support a less popular party, simply because of a single policy, withdrawal from Iraq.
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    (Original post by ]{_colloquial)
    aha, so the terrorists have won now?
    Well, certainly "not won" but it does send out a clear message to me anyway.

    It says, "that however committed we are to an idea that commitment dissolves once we get a bloody nose"

    If every country had the same attitude then surely we'd be at the mercy of any group or individual willing to use violence as a method of advancing their position.
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    (Original post by Howard)
    Well, certainly "not won" but it does send out a clear message to me anyway.

    It says, "that however committed we are to an idea that commitment dissolves once we get a bloody nose"

    If every country had the same attitude then surely we'd be at the mercy of any group or individual willing to use violence as a method of advancing their position.
    so the terrorists have won.
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    I am concerned that a lot of the Socialist's votes were reactionary to the awful Madrid bombs rather than a weel-thought out vote.
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    (Original post by ]{_colloquial)
    so the terrorists have won.
    No, but spain is out of the war, for the moment at least. They are still opposed, and other countries arn't as vunerable. Eg, there is no chance of us pulling out of the coalition if we get a new government, or hit by a major attack.
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    (Original post by Howard)
    It says, "that however committed we are to an idea that commitment dissolves once we get a bloody nose"
    Does it? Surely it is just a logical continuation of the policy held by the Socialists in Spain since before the war even started?
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    No, Zapatero's policy has always been against the war in Iraq and against Spanish troops occupying it, he'd promised this waaaay before the attacks. Don't criticise PSOE's policies as opportunist when they aren't.
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    (Original post by llama boy)
    Does it? Surely it is just a logical continuation of the policy held by the Socialists in Spain since before the war even started?
    True. But I was talking more about the message of the Spanish people. Kick us and we'll vote for a party that will take us out of the ring.
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    (Original post by Howard)
    True. But I was talking more about the message of the Spanish people. Kick us and we'll vote for a party that will take us out of the ring.
    OK, I admit you're right. But look here, the Spanish were always against the war but they were never asked their opinion when Aznar went into it like the little God he thinks he is. Now THEY the citizens are paying for it, so why not vote the opposition. Not only that but PP has been withholding information for the last 3 days and there are other aspects of their internal policies that have been criticised (Prestige crisis). WHat you say is true but can you really blame them?
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    The actions of the Spanish Government to withdraw its troops have served to stregthen their opinion polls, however I believe it to be a bad decision which will undoubtedly affect other member countries of the coalition. By pulling out their troops, due to the bombing that occured, I can only dread what these terrorist groups are thinking. The actions of Spain suggest that 'Yes, we will support the war on terrorism' but 'If we are the target's of these terrorist attacks' then 'sorry, we shall no longer participate'. Which to me is wrong. So terrorists may continue they acts on other countries whom have 'declared war on terror', in the belief that they too, will withdraw their troops and cease 'the war on terror'. It was a bad decision.
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    I see nothing wrong with this move. The US-led "war on terror" (*shudders*) is failing.
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    (Original post by Bhaal85)
    The actions of the Spanish Government to withdraw its troops have served to stregthen their opinion polls, however I believe it to be a bad decision which will undoubtedly affect other member countries of the coalition. By pulling out their troops, due to the bombing that occured, I can only dread what these terrorist groups are thinking. The actions of Spain suggest that 'Yes, we will support the war on terrorism' but 'If we are the target's of these terrorist attacks' then 'sorry, we shall no longer participate'. Which to me is wrong. So terrorists may continue they acts on other countries whom have 'declared war on terror', in the belief that they too, will withdraw their troops and cease 'the war on terror'. It was a bad decision.
    Only because Spain has changed government, and is now representing its electorate?
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    (Original post by Howard)
    True. But I was talking more about the message of the Spanish people. Kick us and we'll vote for a party that will take us out of the ring.
    Hmm, not sure that's entirely true, either.

    More like, "kick us and we'll kick out the ***** who try to mislead us over it in an attempt to gain political points".
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    (Original post by llama boy)
    Hmm, not sure that's entirely true, either.

    More like, "kick us and we'll kick out the ***** who try to mislead us over it in an attempt to gain political points".
    You might be right.
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    theres been lots of criticisim against Aznar for ages. When i was last over there,there was so much criticsim of him and the war effort in general so the oppositions been plugging away on that for ages.

    Didn't one of labour;s ministers use the attack for political opportunism though? I'm sure i read something about one of them using it as an excuse to critisice the tories.
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    (Original post by emom100)
    theres been lots of criticisim against Aznar for ages. When i was last over there,there was so much criticsim of him and the war effort in general so the oppositions been plugging away on that for ages.

    Didn't one of labour;s ministers use the attack for political opportunism though? I'm sure i read something about one of them using it as an excuse to critisice the tories.
    You're right, Aznar has been criticised a lot but then again this is typical of PSOE's tactics: harking on about how badly PP is running the country and how things would be different if PSOE was in power. This is true not only with the war, but the Prestige crisis, land prices, you name something Aznar and PP can be critised for and PSOE (labour) will have used it against them.
 
 
 
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