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    (Original post by thunder_chunky)
    Of course we're not a right wing party. And our name change now puts the pic in your sig a tad out of date.
    Well economic liberalism doesn't sound particular left wing but I'm sure your argument that having the ability to pick n mix policies from both side of the spectrum makes you neither right nor left.

    As for the sig it's been updated now. Still saved on my computer in case you guys want to switch back, we know what Lib Dems are like for u-turning
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    (Original post by The Mad Dog)
    Would you not agree that most parties political positioning is judged on their economic policy making you centre-right? For example the Conservatives legalising gay marriage whilst a very centre-left policy is not going to make anyway define the Tories as centrist.

    Done.
    It's liberal, not center-left. The more you describe it in these archaic left/right terms the more you perpetuate the association amongst the politically ignorant.

    I hardly see the issue if they want to be center-right liberals, we occupy the right-liberal spectrum and the Libertarians occupy the extreme end obviously. Equally they recently went into a by-election with a party led by a former/current socialist so i'd say there not too far right that they can't claim to be close to the center.
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    (Original post by meenu89)
    How many voted in the ballot and how many of those voted yes?
    This would be a very interesting thing to know if they are willing to release this information?
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    (Original post by The Mad Dog)
    Well economic liberalism doesn't sound particular left wing but I'm sure your argument that having the ability to pick n mix policies from both side of the spectrum makes you neither right nor left.

    As for the sig it's been updated now. Still saved on my computer in case you guys want to switch back, we know what Lib Dems are like for u-turning
    We are still Liberal, but at least calling ourselves Liberal rather than Liberal democrat would give us some room to maneuver in terms of positions and policies.

    I'm not sure what you mean about Lib Dems and U-turns. You can't mean us since we aren't Lib Dems.

    (Original post by meenu89)
    How many voted in the ballot and how many of those voted yes?
    (Original post by Tactical Nuclear Penguin)
    This would be a very interesting thing to know if they are willing to release this information?
    Of course the leadership will release that information if they wish but I'm not really sure it's relevant, nor does it matter. Those that cared and wanted a say voted. That's all the really matters.
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    (Original post by Birchington)
    I favour a Keynesian stimulus package to get the economy moving. Outside of recession, I do support government intervention in keeping inflation low and assisting with the cost of fuel bills, but at the same time feel the government should not have heavy intervention in business or enterprise beyond providing capital investment to stimulate SME creation. Something along the lines of the German mixed economy would be my preferred option.
    Okay, so are you Keynesian in the sense that you think the government should run a budget surplus during times of robust economic growth, and a deficit during times like the present when growth is stagnant? That's the main difference between social liberals and market liberals on the economy; the former think that 'fiscal responsibility' should be reserved for times when the government isn't needed to stimulate growth, whilst the latter believe the government should only ever spend as much money as it takes in in revenue. Are you saying that you're closer to the social liberal than the market liberal view on state intervention in the economy? If so, wouldn't that make you a centre-left party?

    And what are your views on tuition fees?
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    (Original post by thunder_chunky)
    Of course the leadership will release that information if they wish but I'm not really sure it's relevant, nor does it matter. Those that cared and wanted a say voted. That's all the really matters.
    I agree, its not vital nor particularly relevant; just personal curiosity on my part i'm afraid

    In other words, me being a nosy so and so
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    (Original post by thunder_chunky)
    We are still Liberal, but at least calling ourselves Liberal rather than Liberal democrat would give us some room to maneuver in terms of positions and policies.

    I'm not sure what you mean about Lib Dems and U-turns. You can't mean us since we aren't Lib Dems.
    Thanks as well! (PRSOM though, apologies!)
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    (Original post by Tactical Nuclear Penguin)
    Thanks as well! (PRSOM though, apologies!)
    No problem. :yy:
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    Does the Liberal Party feel the British military is under-equipped and bloated with useless pencil pushers? mainly the latter as the former is being solved although with the latest round of budget cuts, the military will undoubtably be hurt once again.

    Do you also feel that those leaving the military are not given enough help to readjust into civilian life? likewise with those that have sustained injuries in the line of fire and are basically left to fend for themselves. Also do you respect your military? :holmes:
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    (Original post by Birchington)
    If you ask a question about our policy, you'll get a reply. Troll, and we'll ignore you.
    Ahem.

    (Original post by paperclip)
    Where would you cut red tape from?

    Which taxes would you cut?

    How would you help people with the cost of living? (Especially given the state of the economy and that you've already stated tax cuts are on the agenda).
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    I think the best way to view the name change is a broadening of the party in that we are no longer Lib Dems, which means there is more room for debate and scope within our party now and a broader set of centre periphery view points considered from the centre left to the centre right, but nothing particularly extreme one way or the other. We are methodical but humanitarian, we are not cost benefit calculators nor are we trying to hand out luxury everywhere for everyone in a blinded pipe dream of everyone can have everything for free. We believe you should be judged by your merits but within the remit of the opportunities you had, some things and circumstances and factors may of been out of your control. We want to foster self determination, but at the same time protect others from excessive self deterministic autonomy that impinges on others abilities to be masters of their own futures and destinies.

    One can be a Liberal in many ways a Liberal Nationalist or Liberal Internationalist, one can be a Liberal Interventionist or Liberal Isolationist, there are many focuses within Liberalism and slants within it. But Liberalism is about balancing freedoms among other things and balance is the heart of this, we strive to find the balance between the social development of our societies on issues such as equality, individual opportunity, the general happiness & well being balanced with a sensible market policy that wants to generate wealth not for wealth's sake but for human developments sake, so a portion of that growth can be taxed provide social development that in turn generates more wealth, wealth is more than just GDP though. Tax is not theft it is a means to generating more wealth for Liberals they are not opposed to a state and its tax abilities, but nothing excessive or limited.

    Every Liberal has some freedoms and Liberal interests they hone in on more than the others, because they see those factors such as economic liberalism or social liberalism as the better means to achieve a fair, prosperous, equal opportunity society of freedoms & happiness. The end outcomes are what unite us as just mentioned, our means or sub-liberal focuses on how to get there are what differs us internally. This is what I think characterises the name change a broadening plurality of Liberals under one tent making their cases, but subscribing to some basic core values and desired outcomes. This is what makes us centrist we balance pragmatism with idealism, the economy with social development, we are aspirational while methodical.

    So we can be understood as we nod at the sentiment of a Conservative or nod at the sentiment of a Labour idea on many occasions, understanding where both are coming from - appreciating their merits and then we pull out the "but..." you are forgetting these other things we also pride to be important and then once you factor these in, we think you should tonne that bit down or do a bit more in that lacking area of the policy to make sure that one set of freedoms do not dominate the others excessively in the classic rights and freedoms debates. This allows us also to be the perfect coalition partner for moderate right and moderate left parties, because we are open minded willing to find areas we can work with you on and can accommodate social liberalism and economic liberalism within our party remit at the same time - we do not have to choose one definitively and define ourselves by one sole idea, we can take and learn from multiple Liberal fathers.

    So pushing us to define ourselves is not the nature of what we are, because we are dynamic, pluralist, fluid and progressive we do not roll out one agreed upon creed... our very creed and tenets are debatable and intentionally there are friction areas and we think that internal debate we have is both healthy and constructive and it helps us bring fourth well considered policies. This is what I believe also makes us centrist because we are well balanced, accommodating and inclusive.
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    (Original post by JPKC)
    Are you saying that you're closer to the social liberal than the market liberal view on state intervention in the economy? If so, wouldn't that make you a centre-left party?

    And what are your views on tuition fees?
    Perhaps, although for a Keynesian I'm quite fiscally conservative in terms of the size of government spending and debt.

    I oppose and still oppose £9000 tuition fees, but I think the former system capped just over £3000 was OK. The state should provide assistance for the poorest students but should not fully subsidise everyone's higher education.
    (Original post by tehFrance)
    Does the Liberal Party feel the British military is under-equipped and bloated with useless pencil pushers? mainly the latter as the former is being solved although with the latest round of budget cuts, the military will undoubtably be hurt once again.

    Do you also feel that those leaving the military are not given enough help to readjust into civilian life? likewise with those that have sustained injuries in the line of fire and are basically left to fend for themselves. Also do you respect your military? :holmes:
    The MOD needs streamlining so the defence budget is better spent. Over time, I'd like to see a cut in our defence budget and an end in our involvement in conflicts such as Afghanistan. The only time when we should engage in conflict is to defend ourselves from foreign invasion.

    (Original post by paperclip)
    Where would you cut red tape from?

    Which taxes would you cut?

    How would you help people with the cost of living? (Especially given the state of the economy and that you've already stated tax cuts are on the agenda). .
    Apologies, I missed this question from you.

    I'd like to see some of the restrictions that currently prevent SMEs from setting up to encourage entrepreneurs and provide opportunities for job creation.

    In terms of taxes, I think the threshold for income tax payments should continue to rise both here and IRL to remove many low earners from tax altogether.

    Cost of living is important for many people right now - I want to see energy companies subsidise fuel costs with their profits, which will reduce energy costs for consumers. Some of the education budget should also be allocated to help families with childcare costs to ensure all pre-school age children have access to affordable care when their parents are working.

    I also want to see a clampdown on 'legal loan sharks' IRL, especially a cap on the APR they can charge on repayments.[/quote]
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    I've been waiting a long time to break this out.

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    The old Lib Dem bird may be dead, but we've now got a sexy new Liberal lion!
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    Are you proposing to resurrect any of Lloyd George's policies that never became law now you have adopted the name of his party? Not sure about the licensing laws his government passed, and in TSR land the CofE is disestablished, but the cat and mouse act (cannot remember it's real name) could be revived?
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    (Original post by Birchington)


    The old Lib Dem bird may be dead, but we've now got a sexy new Liberal lion!
    Rawr. :sexface:
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    (Original post by Mazzini)
    Rawr. :sexface:
    How did the bird die? Was it done ethically (are the Greens angry of your treatment of it)? Did the lion engage in necrophilia with the bird first?
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    How did the bird die? Was it done ethically (are the Greens angry of your treatment of it)? Did the lion engage in necrophilia with the bird first?
    I'm not sure if they're angry or not, go and ask them.

    Well the cat dragged the bird out
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    (Original post by Mazzini)
    I'm not sure if they're angry or not, go and ask them.

    Well the cat dragged the bird out
    I prefer to speculate that their silence is in condemnation.

    Licking its lips i presume.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    I prefer to speculate that their silence is in condemnation.

    Licking its lips i presume.
    Oh I see
 
 
 
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