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    Let's think about some of the extraordinary things this country has given to the world. English common law, the abolition of slavery, the industrial revolution, an extraordinary array of inventions, massive contribution to science, literature and democratic politics, standing alone in the world against fascism, enormous influence on modern popular music and sport. The list goes on. And yet it seems as if all these great things are in the past. That Britain is now a rather divided*, miserable country inextricably declining. Nowhere else does the politics of decline hold so much sway. Our former colonies and much of Europe have left us behind in the prosperity stakes and Asia is catching up.

    Can we make Britain great again and how?


    *On the verge of splitting with the 2014 Scottish independence referendum
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    Some of my suggestions would be:

    EU :
    Holding an EU referendum immediately and making a law banning any moves towards adopting the euro and requiring a referendum before any new EU treaties are signed in order to protect British sovereignty against the increasingly federal EU

    Revive British manufacturing

    My Golden rule would be :
    Money spent by government ≤ Money raised via taxes
    Live within our means!*

    *Only borrow to invest!
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    Haven't you already done this thread?


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    (Original post by moonkatt)
    Haven't you already done this thread?


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    No I was looking for suggestions on putting the Great back into GB
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    I think Britain needs to solidify its links with Europe as opposed to retreating from them right now. A lot of Britain's success came from having such an extensive empire, and I think it needs to be part of something big. Britain has a lot of pride, and people in charge seem determined to keep us on as some sort of world power, but we're a tiny country and we don't really produce anything of note.

    Britain is never going to be on an equal playing field with the US and China on its own, but as part of a united Europe then maybe that would change. Obviously Scotland leaving doesn't bode well for the whole unity thing though!
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    To remember that in this context Great means bigger.
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    (Original post by a729)
    Some of my suggestions would be:

    EU :
    Holding an EU referendum immediately and making a law banning any moves towards adopting the euro and requiring a referendum before any new EU treaties are signed in order to protect British sovereignty against the increasingly federal EU

    Revive British manufacturing

    My Golden rule would be :
    Money spent by government ≤ Money raised via taxes
    Live within our means!*

    *Only borrow to invest!
    You do realise that in deep recessions, your golden rule policy will cause stagnation and prevent recovery from the recession.
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    (Original post by marcus2001)
    You do realise that in deep recessions, your golden rule policy will cause stagnation and prevent recovery from the recession.
    Not necessarily, because Greece's major deficits helped their economy so much,didn't it !?
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    (Original post by a729)
    Not necessarily, because Greece's major deficits helped their economy so much,didn't it !?
    I'm going to disregard that because we're talking about Great Britain here, the best economic policy would always be to run a surplus in the booms and a deficit in the recessions such that the surplus balances out the deficit. Whacking down a 'golden rule' that doesn't take into account economic fluctuations is essentially disregarding a large chunk of macroeconomic knowledge we have at our disposal. Whilst it would prevent an increasing debt, it isn't always optimal for the state of the economy overall.
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    Getting a leader with strong principles and a spine would help. After the complete mess we've had for the past 20 odd years.
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    (Original post by marcus2001)
    I'm going to disregard that because we're talking about Great Britain here, the best economic policy would always be to run a surplus in the booms and a deficit in the recessions such that the surplus balances out the deficit. Whacking down a 'golden rule' that doesn't take into account economic fluctuations is essentially disregarding a large chunk of macroeconomic knowledge we have at our disposal. Whilst it would prevent an increasing debt, it isn't always optimal for the state of the economy overall.
    But remember that if the government was running a large enough surplus it wouldn't need to borrow also the government has many ways to raise funds including using NS&I

    You can't fully disregard that as the UK has had to bailed out in the past _1976 the UK had to get a loan from the IMF.
    Any government which borrows too much will have to be bailed out and/or inflict misery upon on its citizens.
    Greece shows the risks of frivolous government spending. It's there for anyone to see regardless of socialist tendencies or not/
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    Boris Johnson for Prime Minister.


    That way we can be great again
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    All this talk of Britain once being great is rather curious. I can remember my grandad telling me that all he had as a child was a tin bath and pocket watch. And I can remember my mum saying that the only thing the family had to look forward to was a wet weekend at Margate and Opportunity Knocks every Saturday night. No-one wanted manufacturing. It was a horrible way to work for a living. And working down the mines was the worst. Is this what you mean by putting the Great back into Britain? Bring back those dark Satanic Mills?
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    (Original post by Baines3)
    Boris Johnson for Prime Minister.


    That way we can be great again
    Ridiculous. The man is a pompous twit.
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    We should nuke the rest of the world and revive the British Empire, then we can be great again!

    Joking obviously but the thing that always holds us back is the famous British cynicism that the rest of the world knows us for. The US has many flaws but one thing that I've always admired about that country is how they never put people down with aspirations. It's the opposite here, especially after WWII.
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    (Original post by Cannotbelieveit)
    Getting a leader with strong principles and a spine would help. After the complete mess we've had for the past 20 odd years.
    I agree- David Davis might be slightly better than Cameron
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    "Remember that you are an Englishman, and have consequently won first prize in the lottery of life."

    It doesn't seem to ring true today.
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    I'd rather put the Great back in White Shark.


    RAAAAAWRRRRRR!

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    Societies and civilisations rise and fall.

    Therefore, whilst not saying that it is impossible for Great Britain to be "great" again, it is similar to asking "Can we revive the Roman Empire and make it great again?"

    Human history does not work like this. Many decades from now, the same order of the day will not be prevalent (i.e. "the West"/Eurocentric world). Influence, power, wealth and resources will increasingly take focus with places such as South American, Asia and Africa. You only need look at human history to see that this is true.
 
 
 
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