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    Margaret Thatcher
    54
    49.09%
    John Major ( from Brixton)
    5
    4.55%
    Tony Blair
    32
    29.09%
    Gordon Brown
    18
    16.36%
    David Cameron
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    0.91%

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    Thatcher or Blair. IMO head and shoulder above the others as leaders on a world stage. Both made crucial changes to our country for the better. Both obviously neither where unblemished. I would say I think history will be kinder to Blair than his current critics, memories of foreign policy fade quickly.
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    (Original post by Hal.E.Lujah)
    You thought you had the chance to draw blood there. One day, but not this day. :console:
    Sorry m8
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    (Original post by a729)
    Look what did to the Olympics budget

    turned £2.4billion into £9.3 billion

    Inflation can't be blamed for that!
    The Olympic bid was supported by all the major parties, not just New Labour.

    And in the grand scheme of government accounting, a one-off additional £6.9 billion isn't that much.
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    The Olympic bid was supported by all the major parties, not just New Labour.

    And in the grand scheme of government accounting, a one-off additional £6.9 billion isn't that much.
    Yes but a normal person couldn't afford to pay for a house 4x their original budget for example
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    Blair and Thatcher should go together since he would never have been elected had it not been for her.
    Blair, co-instigator of imperialistic oil-feud, and Thatcher, who sodomized Britain something proper, are to be considered the finest PM of the last 30 years?

    I don't mean just to attack your opinions, do you have a chain of argument you'd be willing to divulge?
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    (Original post by Tengo)
    Blair, co-instigator of imperialistic oil-feud, and Thatcher, who sodomized Britain something proper, are to be considered the finest PM of the last 30 years?

    I don't mean just to attack your opinions, do you have a chain of argument you'd be willing to divulge?
    I was not actually arguing anything here but Blair could not have been elected without Thatcher hence why they should be together on the poll. It's foolish to try to consider a best PM I certainly don't feel qualified to say.
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    I was not actually arguing anything here but Blair could not have been elected without Thatcher hence why they should be together on the poll. It's foolish to try to consider a best PM I certainly don't feel qualified to say.
    Oh, my bad, I thought you were referring to the two as a collective-best-PM. Apologies.

    I agree, though I do tend to get the sense that most in this thread are equally unqualified but would nonetheless have their opinion heard anyway, despite it being mostly biased ill-reasoned rubbish they've had spoon fed to them by pushy pseudo-political parents.

    Not that I'm judging an anonymous group of people I have no foreknowledge of by a very tiny snippet of one way interaction...
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    Contrary to popular belief Brown wasn't that bad of a Prime Minister, a lot better than Blair and miles ahead of Thatcher and Major. I'm certain that the financial crisis could have been a whole lot worse for us without Brown's leadership (and I'm not even a Labour supporter.) He didn't get much passed and his bills were often compromised due to splits in the Labour party between Blairites and Brownites and also high profile resignations made him look weak, as in fairness he was a Lame Duck PM. But on the international stage he was much more highly regarded and acted as a leader despite his lack of charisma. I'm sure some will disagree but IMHO Blair was a war criminal, Major was even more useless than other lame ducks, Thatcher marginalized the poor, though her leadership prowess was something to behold and Cameron I will judge at a later date though he hasn't been as bad as some of his predecessors.
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    (Original post by doggyfizzel)
    Thatcher or Blair. IMO head and shoulder above the others as leaders on a world stage. Both made crucial changes to our country for the better. Both obviously neither where unblemished. I would say I think history will be kinder to Blair than his current critics, memories of foreign policy fade quickly.
    Depends what side of the fence you sit on really.

    History has been extremely divisive with Thatcher.

    History has being extremely kind to Major (rightfully so).

    History could go either way with Blair purely because that's pretty much his one stain (a big one) however there are plenty of people who actually support such intervention. Equally its interesting to note that Labour see him as a betrayer but to the moderate floaters who decide elections he will likely be looked upon greatly. It's shocking to say as a Tory but in 01 or 05 i'd have been half tempted by him.

    Had he simply being Chancellor then history would have been very good to Brown however i suspect that history will never forgive him in the same way that it has not forgot Chamberlain or the Suez Crisis.

    For Cameron i actually suspect history will be pretty kind overall, the PM who tried to rule under hard circumstances. History will probably regard him as failing or struggling but probably in a good way (at least he tried type of way).
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    (Original post by a729)
    Yes but a normal person couldn't afford to pay for a house 4x their original budget for example
    But they probably could afford to pay for a one-off, celebratory meal out 4x what they'd spend for an everyday meal at home.
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    But they probably could afford to pay for a one-off, celebratory meal out 4x what they'd spend for an everyday meal at home.
    The government doesn't spend £2.3 billion on annual sporting event

    A better example would be the cost of a wedding (a rare event-or least it should be, if only divorce was less common)

    Anyhow most people couldn't afford to spend 4x the original budget for a wedding
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    (Original post by a729)
    The government doesn't spend £2.3 billion on annual sporting event

    A better example would be the cost of a wedding (a rare event-or least it should be, if only divorce was less common)

    Anyhow most people couldn't afford to spend 4x the original budget for a wedding
    People die. The government doesn't. Which makes it much easier for governments to borrow. Think about it; if you're a lender you need to get paid back before the borrower dies, otherwise you'll lose out. A government, on the other hand, isn't going anywhere.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    History could go either way with Blair purely because that's pretty much his one stain (a big one) however there are plenty of people who actually support such intervention. Equally its interesting to note that Labour see him as a betrayer but to the moderate floaters who decide elections he will likely be looked upon greatly. It's shocking to say as a Tory but in 01 or 05 i'd have been half tempted by him.

    Had he simply being Chancellor then history would have been very good to Brown however i suspect that history will never forgive him in the same way that it has not forgot Chamberlain or the Suez Crisis.

    For Cameron i actually suspect history will be pretty kind overall, the PM who tried to rule under hard circumstances. History will probably regard him as failing or struggling but probably in a good way (at least he tried type of way).
    The issue I have with Iraq is at the time it had support, during the war it had support. As Blair pointed out in the Newsnight talk, he did win another election after Iraq. I think its only really in his absence, with the financial crisis and the Afghanistan war dragging on that people have really started to take aim at him on mass. The Chilcot inquiry will be very very interesting, but I doubt many people will actually read it. I will be reading it for sure.

    I think Cameron for the most part will just be forgotten. He hasn't really presided over anything other than stagnation. He's not going to be remember for tanking the country nor saving it. 50 years from now, I think he'd probably just be remembered as the guy who was in charge when Obama was in office. This is with the assumption Labour will win the next election which seems increasingly likely.
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    (Original post by Bonoahx)
    and was the sort of woman who thinks that Britain is better than every other country and they should control what should happen.
    In comparison to any Labour PM- who are all traitors....
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    (Original post by a729)
    I know -I was saying Labour changed society

    they reintroduced socialism back into the UK society in such a way that people have generally accepted it.
    I don't think you know what socialism is if you think labour reintroduced it...

    (Original post by Baines3)
    Thatcher.

    I find it funny how the working class absolutely hate the woman.
    Why? As far as I can see when you destroy entire communities (look what happened to South Wales when she attacked the mining industry for a start) then people should absolutely loathe you, and if not then it's a very sad state of affairs.



    Anyway - it's the option between the devil incarnate, a war-mongerer, a moron, John major and Gordon brown. I think I'd rather be given the option of Ricin, Arsenic, Mercury, Black mamba venom or a turd for tea.
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    (Original post by kka25)
    Exactly.

    Have you seen her interviews?; you need to have some spine to interview her. She once said, "When I'm out of politics I'm going to run a business, it'll be called rent-a-spine."
    I'd have loved to have interviewed Thatcher during her height

    "So, Mrs T, tell me about that wonderful theory monetarism... and of course, north sea oil... spend Christmas with any nice TV presenters again this year?"
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    1-Thatcher
    2- Major
    3- Cameron
    4- Blair
    1000000000- Brown
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    (Original post by Cannotbelieveit)
    The poll should be public, name and shame all those who voted. What are they thinking?
    Fixed.
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    (Original post by Cannotbelieveit)
    The poll should be public, name and shame all those who voted for Blair. What are they thinking?
    Some left-wingers are more or less unhinged lol!
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    (Original post by iamthestig)
    I'd have loved to have interviewed Thatcher during her height

    "So, Mrs T, tell me about that wonderful theory monetarism... and of course, north sea oil... spend Christmas with any nice TV presenters again this year?"
    She would have responded, "NO! NO! NO!"

    :awesome:
 
 
 
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