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    In the UK, at least prior to the rise of UKIP, we've had three parties virtually indistinguishable from one another for the past twenty years. Voters dissatisfied with this metropolitan leviathan have been totally disenfranchised by the lack of real choice and thus mass apathy has sunk in, even the illusion of change through democracy having faded away.

    The US situation is probably even more sickly, just because the country is so polarized down the middle. However at least the voters appear to be passionate and take an interest, and there is a choice ideologically between the two sides. The senate/house are always going to be a millstone in this scenario when lines are so evenly divided.

    That said, and most importantly, the US still has its sovereignty whereas the UK has ceded it largely to the EU. So it is indubitably in a healthier position.
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    (Original post by 419)
    That's no to much the amount of disrespect he is constantly subjected to because, lets face it, he is black.
    Funny. I thought he was utterly untouchable, being black. Either not voting for him, or criticizing his leadership or his policies, is as racist as it gets, if the left are to be believed. There is no other explanation possible.
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    US politics is more extreme, corrupt and popularist.

    However UK politics tends to be rather closed. The three main contenders don't really shine on personality or policy, and so it often feels like supporting one party is very much like supporting the next with a different coloured tie.

    Neither is a shining beacon of purest democracy and freedom.
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    (Original post by thesabbath)
    Funny. I thought he was utterly untouchable, being black. Either not voting for him, or criticizing his leadership or his policies, is as racist as it gets, if the left are to be believed. There is no other explanation possible.
    Are you been attempting to be patronising? It's hard to detect.
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    Neither political climate is good but Cameron definitely has it easier than Obama.

    Whilst a large swathe of the Republicans and most Democrats are actually fairly sane and close in policy (despite the perception here) it is unfortunate that the Tea Party currently has the Republican Party under its control and is essentially opposing the President for the sake of opposing the president.

    Over here, the bulk of Labour is actually willing to back several coalition policies and it's rather some of the nuttier Tories and Ukip types who are causing problems.
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    (Original post by thesabbath)
    In the UK, at least prior to the rise of UKIP, we've had three parties virtually indistinguishable from one another for the past twenty years. Voters dissatisfied with this metropolitan leviathan have been totally disenfranchised by the lack of real choice and thus mass apathy has sunk in, even the illusion of change through democracy having faded away.

    The US situation is probably even more sickly, just because the country is so polarized down the middle. However at least the voters appear to be passionate and take an interest, and there is a choice ideologically between the two sides. The senate/house are always going to be a millstone in this scenario when lines are so evenly divided.

    That said, and most importantly, the US still has its sovereignty whereas the UK has ceded it largely to the EU. So it is indubitably in a healthier position.
    Should New York or California leave the USA? By your logic they'd be healthier taking back their sovereignty.
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    (Original post by 419)
    Are you been attempting to be patronising? It's hard to detect.
    I think he just doesn't like the way some Obama supporters act like anyone opposing his policies is racist.

    He gets criticism because of his stupid policies, not because of the colour of his skin.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Should New York or California leave the USA? By your logic they'd be healthier taking back their sovereignty.
    If the people of those states wished to secede, put it to a vote, and won that vote, why should they not?

    The point is that the people of the UK have not been given a say on membership of the EU. Therefore it has no democratic legitimacy. Which matters hugely when it is writing UK parliamentry legislation.

    There was a referendum in 1975 regarding whether the UK should remain part of the European Economic Community (sold as the 'common market').
    There should have been a referendum for each successive treaty that has signed away further powers. In particular: Maastricht, Amsterdam, Nice and Lisbon.
    It is shameful (treachery) that governments have forced these through without the consent of the people.
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    (Original post by Bart1331)
    I think he just doesn't like the way some Obama supporters act like anyone opposing his policies is racist.

    He gets criticism because of his stupid policies, not because of the colour of his skin.
    Yh I thought so but my point on him been 'disrespected' isn't to do with his policies. It's glaringly obvious that many of their older statesmen in congress/ the house (Coughs Mccain, coughs mcconnell) just can't accept that he is the president- not only was he this black kid, he was a relatively unknown figure when he took office.

    I repeat, I wasn't referring to policies.
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    (Original post by thesabbath)
    If the people of those states wished to secede, put it to a vote, and won that vote, why should they not?

    The point is that the people of the UK have not been given a say on membership of the EU. Therefore it has no democratic legitimacy. Which matters hugely when it is writing UK parliamentry legislation.

    There was a referendum in 1975 regarding whether the UK should remain part of the European Economic Community (sold as the 'common market').
    There should have been a referendum for each successive treaty that has signed away further powers. In particular: Maastricht, Amsterdam, Nice and Lisbon.
    It is shameful (treachery) that governments have forced these through without the consent of the people.
    Fair point, i'm not overly against a referendum.
 
 
 
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