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BREAKING - Pork DNA Found in Halal Chicken at School... Watch

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    No offence but I think an article published by a website that is written and for muslims is going to be biased.

    Read this CAREFULLY
    The science suggests (although some applies to kosher meat the non-stunning process is still the same):

    http://www.publish.csiro.au/view/jou...72&pip=AN12128
    " Ten animals were assigned to each of the four treatment groups: (i) animals were subjected to conventional halal slaughter (a clean incision through the structures on the ventral neck at the approximate level of vertebrae C2-C3 – the trachea, oesophagus, carotid arteries and jugular veins) and post-cut penetrating mechanical stun within 10-20 seconds of the halal cut (U) ...... The U animals had consistently higher, if not the highest RMS values compared to other stunned animals. This indicates a degree of EEG changes associated with stress and pain. Based on EEG data, our results indicate that penetrative stunning would be the most reliable method of ensuring insensibility and minimising pain."

    http://digitool.library.colostate.ed...8xNjM0NA==.pdf

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    The design of the knife and the cutting technique are critical for preventing the animal from reacting to an incision of its throat. For halal slaughter, there is no knife-design requirement. Halal slaughter performed with short knives and multiple hacking cuts results in vigorous reactions of cattle being treated in this manner ..... Investigators agree that throat-cutting without stunning does not induce instantaneous
    unconsciousness. In some cattle, consciousness is prolonged for over 60 seconds (Blackmore, 1984; Daly et al., 1988)"

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...09174007003038

    "The primary conclusion from this study is that false aneurysms do develop during shechita and halal slaughter. This could pose a risk of extended consciousness for some of those animals."

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...09174082900948

    "The use of a non-penetrative method of percussion stunning caused immediate insensibility and an increase in BP which persisted after exsanguination had commenced. Calves stunned with a penetrating captive bolt showed immediate and permanent insensibility and the EEG became isoelectric within 15 s."

    https://journals.cambridge.org/actio...43933906001097
    "Inert gases on the other hand are used to maintain general anaesthesia during airway laser surgery (see, EFSA, 2004). Stunning or killing with inert gases, especially argon, has been studied extensively in farm animals. Animals, including birds, do not have intrapulmonary chemoreceptors to detect inert gases and therefore, do not show any aversion during initial exposure to hypoxia/anoxia induced with nitrogen, argon or their mixtures. Webster and Fletcher (2004) hens showed the least number of stops and retreats during approach to argon atmosphere, and the behaviour of birds has been described to be very similar to those observed in air. In addition, highest percentage of the test hens was stunned in argon atmosphere in the chamber."

    I would say stunning is much kinder, particularly stunning of chickens with inert gas since they can't detect it...
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    (Original post by [email protected]_room)
    Most people who bang on about halal don't give a toss about animal welfare, apart from people who oppose all slaughter of animals for meat.

    They just don't like Muslims, so jump on the bandwagon. :eek:
    Do you not only protect the practice of halal because you are Muslim? As in, you don't care about their welfare either?

    I have Muslim friends. I also am doing a Masters in Animal Welfare, Ethics and Law. So I think I most definitely care about their welfare...
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    (Original post by Farm_Ecology)
    I find that study highly suspect. I can find no mention of it outside of Islamic Websites, and I can find no trace of the original german article (outside of islamic websites). And finally, the supposed study is not listed on Wilhelm Schulze's list of publications.
    I could not find the actual study either; nor could I find it out with Islamic websites...
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    (Original post by sophmay)
    Do you not only protect the practice of halal because you are Muslim? As in, you don't care about their welfare either?

    I have Muslim friends. I also am doing a Masters in Animal Welfare, Ethics and Law. So I think I most definitely care about their welfare...
    Okay cba with this anymore (and NO im not accepting defeat)

    P.S. may i add, im not even watching this thread anymore...:cool:
    no hard feelings sophmay!!
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    (Original post by Cattty)
    karma for eating animals slaughtered by an inhumane method?
    F**k them. If they don't like it, they can go and live in Saudi Arabia.
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    (Original post by sophmay)
    While I don't like de-beaking I think the alternative can be worse. Even if chickens have enough enrichment and stimulation they can still feather peck and this can be terribly painful.
    Why were you advised against it?! I think it's great that people take an interest and those that do are not all crazy animal rights extremists.
    I'm vegetarian but it's a difficult thing because opting out of buying meat altogether has no effect on the way meat is produced. You make more of an impact changing to more ethically farmed meat. But I can't bring myself to eat them unfortunately.
    Of course , the point I was making is many people have a free range 'image' in their heads that I very much doubt includes having their beak cut off.
    I think the university had no lecturers or exam markers that would have any clue how to mark the paper-none were experienced in it.
    If I was to begin to buy organic meat, I would be another person giving a message that I think eating animals for entertainment is okay. And I don't agree with that message.
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    Don't mean to sound bigoted, but frankly who cares? Meat is nutrition, protein constituting of essential amino acids we need to survive. Processed products are bad for you anyway, but nevertheless I'm sick of all this pandering to muslims that councils in London feel the need to do. There will only be a backlash if the council apologises as Muslims see this as a weakness.

    Not to mention the fact that in the Quran, if you have an honest belief that something is halal or there are no available alternatives that you have done nothing wrong or contrary to Islam; this means there are no reasons why the said muslim community should be offended or angry if something is being done about it.

    But regardless, I'll try not to turn this into a rant about how a religion 200 years behind the times uses barbaric slaughter methods. Humans should be more civilised in the way they treat their food source, religion and culture is not an excuse. On the flipside however, non halal meat is often sourced from animals that arn't treated very well, but nonetheless more humanely than outrightwardly removing their heads whilst they are alive under the false pretext of going to heaven (which seems like a rather selfish endeavor).
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    (Original post by QuentinMids)
    F**k them. If they don't like it, they can go and live in Saudi Arabia.
    Rated.

    Just top opening Halal shops everywhere please.
    Don't act like if I opened up a non-Halal shop in Pakistan I wouldn't get shot.
    In the same way, keep your own shops to your own country


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    (Original post by anonymouse01)
    Rated.

    Just top opening Halal shops everywhere please.
    Don't act like if I opened up a non-Halal shop in Pakistan I wouldn't get shot.
    In the same way, keep your own shops to your own country


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    (Original post by QuentinMids)
    F**k them. If they don't like it, they can go and live in Saudi Arabia.
    Wow, way to miss the point, guys.
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    (Original post by anonymouse01)
    Rated.

    Just top opening Halal shops everywhere please.
    Don't act like if I opened up a non-Halal shop in Pakistan I wouldn't get shot.
    In the same way, keep your own shops to your own country


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    Actually you wouldn't get shot.
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    oh boy...generation of jihadists in the making :rolleyes: . They will engage in holy war against those that made them eat pig meat in school all those years ago...kind of funny when you think about it tbh lol!


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    I think the point was that it was horse meat, not the fact it wasn't halal.


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    (Original post by QuentinMids)
    F**k them. If they don't like it, they can go and live in Saudi Arabia.

    (Original post by anonymouse01)
    Rated.

    Just top opening Halal shops everywhere please.
    Don't act like if I opened up a non-Halal shop in Pakistan I wouldn't get shot.
    In the same way, keep your own shops to your own country


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    Struggling to decide which one of these is the most ignorant and downright ****ing stupid post to ever be made on this forum.
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    (Original post by S4LM4N)
    Struggling to decide which one of these is the most ignorant and downright ****ing stupid post to ever be made on this forum.
    I didn't see what was wrong with my post


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    (Original post by anonymouse01)
    I didn't see what was wrong with my post


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    Islam isn't a race, it's a religion. Should white Muslims 'go back' to Pakistan as well?
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    (Original post by S4LM4N)
    Islam isn't a race, it's a religion. Should white Muslims 'go back' to Pakistan as well?
    No, Iran

    Problem solved


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    Usually the percentages are so tiny in these cases, it's near-enough none-existent.

    I'm sure Allah will spare them, it's not as if they knew.
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    (Original post by HomoSapiensSap)
    Link: http://news.sky.com/story/1064670/po...cken-at-school



    Wow, this is really widespread!

    Consumer trust has been beaten and broken. Frankly, this is outrageous.

    But, will there be a backlash? Surely this is most outrageous to Muslims? What do you think?
    I'll tell you what I think. I think it's good. We are deceived into eating halal meat everywhere we go - so surely it's payback. Your religion is twisted. You won't eat pork yet you'd stone a gay to death? WTAF
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    Why would all-powerful Allah give two ****s if you've had a bit of pork when you weren't aware of it? It's not exactly a sin if you didn't know, just offer a prayer and I'm sure it'll all be dandy.

    (not that you really have to worry)
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    (Original post by ACunningham)
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    Hypocrisy is rife in Islam; up in arms about a tiny bit of pork they didn't realise was there, but it's fine to go and destroy their bodies by smoking and so forth which is also prohibited. Absolute logic!
 
 
 
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