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    (Original post by pink pineapple)
    how do you know? Some uni students may have no idea about politics and their political stance is based entirely on their own opinions
    Opinions are influence by facts and wisdom/intelligence of the Opinion holder
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    (Original post by harrismahmood)
    He never said thriving, fool. He said has thrived, in the past - when it had a limited government, and under Reagan. YOU do your research.
    thanks mate!
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    (Original post by a729)
    thanks mate!
    No problem mate
    I understand everything in your original post, I agree, we have become way too soft as a country, the world has generally taken a turn towards the left, if history has taught us anything!, it is that central planning by the few for the many does not work, it has taught us that leftist ideology is not compatible with human nature! Whilst the ideologues of the left, sit there and conjure new ideas of how to rule people, assuming that what they see best for society, will also be valued by everyone else. Be right! Be free! Say NO to Communism, say NO to Socialism, say NO to big Government, say NO to central planning.
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    (Original post by a729)
    Opinions are influence by facts and wisdom/intelligence of the Opinion holder
    I wouldn't have asumed because they should have right wing views because they're at uni therefore they're intelligent. I think it's more to do with the idea that the older you get, the more conservative you become, which explains why people at uni tend to have view more left-wing views
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    (Original post by harrismahmood)
    No problem mate
    I understand everything in your original post, I agree, we have become way too soft as a country, the world has generally taken a turn towards the left, if history has taught us anything!, it is that central planning by the few for the many does not work, it has taught us that leftist ideology is not compatible with human nature! Whilst the ideologues of the left, sit there and conjure new ideas of how to rule people, assuming that what they see best for society, will also be valued by everyone else. Be right! Be free! Say NO to Communism, say NO to Socialism, say NO to big Government, say NO to central planning.
    I know I made posts about this ( http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=2279560 and http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=2288537)

    and of course I gotted negged for them!

    The USSR and North Korea have failed in contrast to the US and the UK under Maggie!

    And that's why I hate the EU
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    (Original post by harrismahmood)
    He never said thriving, fool. He said has thrived, in the past - when it had a limited government, and under Reagan. YOU do your research.
    Has is present tense, therefore he's implying that America is thriving.

    If you're saying on the other hand that America has thrived then surely that defeats yours and OP argument that right wing is the way to go? Why do you want this country to do the same as a country that's no longer thriving? :confused:
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    (Original post by Izzyeviel)
    Has is present tense, therefore he's implying that America is thriving.

    If you're saying on the other hand that America has thrived then surely that defeats yours and OP argument that right wing is the way to go? Why do you want this country to do the same as a country that's no longer thriving? :confused:
    You do realise when America thrived it moved closer and closer towards a Libertarian society, the same can not be said about America today, America is not longer, truly right wing.
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    (Original post by Izzyeviel)
    Has is present tense, therefore he's implying that America is thriving.

    If you're saying on the other hand that America has thrived then surely that defeats yours and OP argument that right wing is the way to go? Why do you want this country to do the same as a country that's no longer thriving? :confused:
    the US has moved to the left since 2008. FACT
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    Lefties are the short-sited individuals who believe where we are at present in the timeline of the human past and future is almost at the epitamy of a perfect world, that a few more steps and the world will be perfect.
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    (Original post by Creat0r)
    Lefties are the short-sited individuals who believe where we are at present in the timeline of the human past and future is almost at the epitamy of a perfect world, that a few more steps and the world will be perfect.
    Well said
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    (Original post by Creat0r)
    Lefties are the short-sited individuals who believe where we are at present in the timeline of the human past and future is almost at the epitamy of a perfect world, that a few more steps and the world will be perfect.
    Could say the same thing about Righties :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Creat0r)
    Lefties are the short-sited individuals who believe where we are at present in the timeline of the human past and future is almost at the epitamy of a perfect world, that a few more steps and the world will be perfect.
    What? That's the sort of argument I hear from people who go on about capitalism being "natural" or that communism will never happen. Its not like capitalism has been around that long.
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    (Original post by Izzyeviel)
    Could say the same thing about Righties :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Izzyeviel)
    A lot of people would argue the USSR wasn't truly socialist.
    A lot of people enjoy the use of the no true scotsman fallacy.
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    (Original post by a729)
    Far left policies failed guys look at the USSR-most of those countries still haven't recovered.
    Never mind North Korea!


    USA a somewhat right-wing country has absolutely thrived into the world's #1 economy by a long stretch!
    In the Uk :
    We are too soft on crime. Spending more on food for prisoners than patients is a disgrace!

    We sell ourselves short and stick with the EU which costs us over £40 million a day (never mind the costs of all the legislation and regulations which stifle growth) and is totally necessary as we have the WTO and UN

    We have allowed the Welfare state to grow out of control

    We have allowed government spending to increase as well as debt meaning we are paying more and more each day to service the national debt


    We need a strong leader who is not a populist.
    Maybe a Thatcher-style leader (but with paid more attention to the social effects of their policies).
    We desperately need a move not to the right or left but a move to Fairness for the law abiding and taxpayers

    My thoughts on the EU

    I think UK should hold onto the pound with all its might and NEVER use the Euro

    I think the UK should leave the EU and trade more with the dynamic economies of the commonwealth

    I think the money the UK spends directly funding the [increasingly federal] EU (and the billions lost through excess regulation from the EU) could be much better spent investing in UK infrastructure (especially to revive the areas of the UK outside of the SE and London).

    We never got to vote the EU president or the various treaties (no referendum) which have systematically made the EU more federal and more powerful.

    The EU wants to fine London for breaching pollution limits-this is utter madness and an abomination to UK sovereignty!

    I know I'm risk of getting negged for this but I have to speak the truth. The move towards the left/socialism has slowly removed the Great from Great Britain.
    I am afraid this analysis is somewhat batty, with the greatest of respect.

    Yes the USSR did fail, but it was never a true Communist state, it was a state based on an interpretation of Communism, hence Marxist-Leninist. Indeed, every Communist state that has existed and continues to exist, is merely an interpretation, hijacked by an individual leader or group of leaders. Many of the fundamental principles of Communism as we understand them, were abandoned by Lenin and the majority of the Bolshevik party after they seized power in 1917. Lenin shifted to the right, as he began brutally suppressing many of his own supporters from different parties and social movements, he even moved to shut the Soviets down and the trade unions. Stalin's Russia was not Communist by any stretch of the imagination, it was a borderline fascist state. But I say, Socialism/Communism which was monopolized by Russia, or believed to be monopolized by Russia, has failed once. Capitalism has failed at least 60 times since its creation, so we could turn the argument towards Capitalism, which has been in some respect, a total failure. For it was so perfect, the ideal structure for human society, then it would not have failed so many times.

    The US has thrived because of its brutal pursuit of natural resources, like oil and its Imperial expansion into other countries. It has invaded, supported coups, toppled democratic governments, assassinated, lied, cheated and stolen the wealth of other nations. Let us not forget, that the Global financial crash started in the USA.

    your food for prisoners rather than patients is absolute tosh, and I would like to see your evidence for this. So in your world we starve prisoners to death?

    Some of your points on the EU I agree with, perhaps not in the context you present them. I do not agree we should be expected to pay more into the EU budget, when our working poor have to rely on food banks to feed themselves and their families. Or when we have a crippled economy, almost damaged beyond repair by the Coalition Government, who has the most economically illiterate Chancellor in British Political history. Britain signed up to a directive on Pollution which stated that fines will be imposed if it does not meet its targets, so it will be fined. Indeed, Britain helped create that directive.

    But your last comment, stating that Britain is moving to the Left or towards Socialism is absolutely farcical, with the greatest of respect, I hope you do not worship at the alter of Melanie Philips. We have the most right-wing, reactionary Government in almost a century, that is even with the Lib Dems there. There is no "mainstream" British Political party sitting in the Commons that is left-wing or socialist. And if you think the Labour party is, then there really is no hope for you.
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    (Original post by Duggi312)
    I am afraid this analysis is somewhat batty, with the greatest of respect.

    Yes the USSR did fail, but it was never a true Communist state, it was a state based on an interpretation of Communism, hence Marxist-Leninist. Indeed, every Communist state that has existed and continues to exist, is merely an interpretation, hijacked by an individual leader or group of leaders. Many of the fundamental principles of Communism as we understand them, were abandoned by Lenin and the majority of the Bolshevik party after they seized power in 1917. Lenin shifted to the right, as he began brutally suppressing many of his own supporters from different parties and social movements, he even moved to shut the Soviets down and the trade unions. Stalin's Russia was not Communist by any stretch of the imagination, it was a borderline fascist state. But I say, Socialism/Communism which was monopolized by Russia, or believed to be monopolized by Russia, has failed once. Capitalism has failed at least 60 times since its creation, so we could turn the argument towards Capitalism, which has been in some respect, a total failure. For it was so perfect, the ideal structure for human society, then it would not have failed so many times.

    The US has thrived because of its brutal pursuit of natural resources, like oil and its Imperial expansion into other countries. It has invaded, supported coups, toppled democratic governments, assassinated, lied, cheated and stolen the wealth of other nations. Let us not forget, that the Global financial crash started in the USA.

    your food for prisoners rather than patients is absolute tosh, and I would like to see your evidence for this. So in your world we starve prisoners to death?

    Some of your points on the EU I agree with, perhaps not in the context you present them. I do not agree we should be expected to pay more into the EU budget, when our working poor have to rely on food banks to feed themselves and their families. Or when we have a crippled economy, almost damaged beyond repair by the Coalition Government, who has the most economically illiterate Chancellor in British Political history. Britain signed up to a directive on Pollution which stated that fines will be imposed if it does not meet its targets, so it will be fined. Indeed, Britain helped create that directive.

    But your last comment, stating that Britain is moving to the Left or towards Socialism is absolutely farcical, with the greatest of respect, I hope you do not worship at the alter of Melanie Philips. We have the most right-wing, reactionary Government in almost a century, that is even with the Lib Dems there. There is no "mainstream" British Political party sitting in the Commons that is left-wing or socialist. And if you think the Labour party is, then there really is no hope for you.
    Excuse me, Labour which expanded the government and the national debt way before the recession.

    It has totally been complicit in signing away sovreignty to the EU in the last 13 years and opened the floodgates to EU immigration

    Also it's relative

    The coalition hasn't actually cut government spending in real terms, not even Maggie has the last time we really saw a real cut was in 1921 by the original Liberals!

    Maggie did change Labour and forced it to abandon some its loony socialist ideas and John Smith who sadly died in 94 would have been a better PM than Blair

    I didn't say starve criminals- just don't spend more on them than on NHS patients

    (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...oner-food.html)
    (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8229815.stm)


    Communism/Socialism are evil and require a government which is oppressive to sustain it- see China and North Korea

    Even China has been forced to adopt some form of capitalism to grow economically
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    Right Wing says it's survival of the fittest. Everyone for themselves. Get rich or die trying.

    Left Wing says lets look after the poor with welfare. Let's be nice to each other.


    So given that there are more poor people than rich people there are going to be more people who are left wing. It's not rocket science.
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    (Original post by a729)
    Excuse me, Labour which expanded the government and the national debt way before the recession.
    Never heard the saying 'New Labour, Old Tory'? If you look at where those two parties are on the political spectrum they're in the same neighbourhood. On the right.


    Labour ceased to be on the left/socialist a long time ago.
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    (Original post by noobynoo)
    Right Wing says it's survival of the fittest. Everyone for themselves. Get rich or die trying.

    Left Wing says lets look after the poor with welfare. Let's be nice to each other.


    So given that there are more poor people than rich people there are going to be more people who are left wing. It's not rocket science.
    You'd think there'd be more left wing people, but most people are centre or right. I would argue this is because it means making sacrifices and lowering your standard of living. Then there's the press who tells everyone that socialism is evil etc.
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    (Original post by Izzyeviel)
    Never heard the saying 'New Labour, Old Tory'? If you look at where those two parties are on the political spectrum they're in the same neighbourhood. On the right.


    Labour ceased to be on the left/socialist a long time ago.
    Partly due to Maggie

    But it's still has it's leftie tendencies and of course the darling Guardian generally approves
 
 
 
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