Celtic or Rangers for an Englishman?Watch
Celtic do not have a better reputation in Holland than rangers. The divide between the two clubs comes from a Dutch protestant king (King William of Orange) invading the UK and Ireland in the 1600's and overthrowing the last Catholic monarch in Britain. Rangers indoctrinated orange as one of their colours in the 90's because they had so many dutch players, a dutch manager, as well as their roots coming from historical dutch heritage. Both clubs are bitter rivals and as bad as each other. It all stems from deep rooted, long lasting sectarianism in Scotland going back to to the conception of the Church of Scotland in 1506 that is unfortunately engrained in (especially western Scotland's) heritage and culture. Celtic fans have a generic dislike and hatred towards the union and the UK, consider themselves an Irish club - show solidarity with the Irish Republic and the Irish Republican Army - due to hundreds of years of second class citizenship and segregation based on their faith as Roman Catholics. Rangers fans have a generic, blind loyalty towards the Union and the UK. Football in Scotland is more of a tribal nature than anywhere else in the world and not something you can understand unless you are indoctrinated into it. However, to assume one set of fans are worse than the other makes you just as much of a bigot as those you assume to criticise. Football is a sport, but in Glasgow its an identity which continues to divide people and infuse hatred. However, despite the deep-rooted, bitter rivalry, both clubs have admiration and respect for one and other, neither would hold the gravitas they do without it.
RIP Bobby Sands and Free Palestine.
You are correct, the foundations of Celtic were based on a very positive, inclusive ideology - for people who were generally oppressed based on their religion and heritage. Three years after mo Johnston signed for rangers (from Celtic) Mark Walters was racially abused by Celtic fans during an old firm at Celtic park for being black - by throwing banana onto the pitch. Neither set of fans are any better or worse than the other. Both have very dark and embarrassing parts of their history - neither are what they were during the late 80’s early 90’s. Being from Glasgow, being a rangers fan, my mum was from a traditionally catholic part of Glasgow; while my dad was raised Protestant. I have no animosity towards Celtic or their fans; and in fact appreciate the rivalry. Neither club would be who they were, as successful as they are, or as world wide renowned, without the other. For you to say rangers are anti-catholic, and by default - sectarian, in-fact makes you ignorant and bigoted. You should attend both Ibrox and Celtic park - you may learn something 😬
Just drop n e-mail to UEFA paedo bhoy and they will confirm the crap that you write is indeed that CRAP!You have mentioned in your fable story a player named Gary Naismith, he has never played for Glasgow Rangers for your information, you are indeed one numptie! I remember well in the eighties you vermin "Dirty English [email protected]", shower of anti English/British vermin!
You are not aware that northern English football clubs in the 19th century were always based on Scottish footballer, the ‘Scottish Professors’, as the English called them. The rise of English football rose slowly as English players took places in more generic teams, until the 70s, when the Scots faded away, to be replaced by the rest of the World!
You also of course got Big Dunc.
The reduction of the Scottish impact does seem to go hand in hand with the reduction of street football up here, in fact even park football is less frequent, I live near a large park which in the 70s/80s would have been full of kids playing in an endless game on a pitch marked out by jerseys, these days there is rarely anyone playing.
Edit-forgot McQueen,Leighton, Jordan and of course slightly earlier Law.
1 GK David Harvey 7 February 1948 (aged 26) 7 England Leeds United
2 DF Sandy Jardine 31 December 1948 (aged 25) 16 Scotland Rangers
3 DF Danny McGrain 1 May 1950 (aged 24) 12 Scotland Celtic
4 MF Billy Bremner (c) 9 December 1942 (aged 31) 48 England Leeds United
5 DF Jim Holton 11 April 1951 (aged 23) 11 England Manchester United
6 DF John Blackley 12 May 1948 (aged 26) 3 Scotland Hibernian
7 MF Jimmy Johnstone 30 September 1944 (aged 29) 21 Scotland Celtic
8 FW Kenny Dalglish 4 March 1951 (aged 23) 19 Scotland Celtic
9 FW Joe Jordan 15 December 1951 (aged 22) 11 England Leeds United
10 MF David Hay 29 January 1948 (aged 26) 24 Scotland Celtic
11 FW Peter Lorimer 14 December 1946 (aged 27) 14 England Leeds United
12 GK Thomson Allan 5 October 1946 (aged 27) 2 Scotland Dundee
13 GK Jim Stewart 9 March 1954 (aged 20) 0 Scotland Kilmarnock
14 DF Martin Buchan 6 March 1949 (aged 25) 13 England Manchester United
15 MF Peter Cormack 17 July 1946 (aged 27) 9 England Liverpool
16 DF Willie Donachie 5 October 1951 (aged 22) 11 England Manchester City
17 MF Donald Ford 25 October 1944 (aged 29) 3 Scotland Hearts
18 MF Tommy Hutchison 22 September 1947 (aged 26) 8 England Coventry City
19 FW Denis Law 24 February 1940 (aged 34) 54 England Manchester City
20 FW Willie Morgan 2 October 1944 (aged 29) 19 England Manchester United
21 DF Gordon McQueen 26 June 1952 (aged 21) 1 England Leeds United
22 DF Erich Schaedler 6 August 1949 (aged 24) 1 Scotland Hibernia
1 GK Alan Rough 25 November 1951 (aged 26) 18 Scotland Partick Thistle
2 DF Sandy Jardine 31 December 1948 (aged 29) 33 Scotland Rangers
3 DF Willie Donachie 5 October 1951 (aged 26) 30 England Manchester City
4 DF Martin Buchan 6 March 1949 (aged 29) 28 England Manchester United
5 DF Gordon McQueen 26 June 1952 (aged 25) 20 England Manchester United
6 MF Bruce Rioch (c) 6 September 1947 (aged 30) 22 England Derby County
7 MF Don Masson 26 August 1946 (aged 31) 16 England Derby County
8 FW Kenny Dalglish 4 March 1951 (aged 27) 54 England Liverpool
9 FW Joe Jordan 15 December 1951 (aged 26) 30 England Manchester United
10 MF Asa Hartford 24 October 1950 (aged 27) 24 England Manchester City
11 MF Willie Johnston 19 December 1946 (aged 31) 21 England West Bromwich Albion
12 GK Jim Blyth 2 February 1955 (aged 23) 2 England Coventry City
13 DF Stuart Kennedy 31 May 1953 (aged 25) 3 Scotland Aberdeen
14 DF Tom Forsyth 23 January 1949 (aged 29) 19 Scotland Rangers
15 MF Archie Gemmill 24 March 1947 (aged 31) 26 England Nottingham Forest
16 FW Lou Macari 7 June 1949 (aged 28) 22 England Manchester United
17 FW Derek Johnstone 4 November 1953 (aged 24) 13 Scotland Rangers
18 MF Graeme Souness 6 May 1953 (aged 25) 6 England Liverpool
19 FW John Robertson 20 January 1953 (aged 25) 2 England Nottingham Forest
20 GK Bobby Clark 26 September 1945 (aged 32) 17 Scotland Aberdeen
21 FW Joe Harper 11 January 1948 (aged 30) 3 Scotland Aberdeen
22 DF Kenny Burns 23 September 1953 (aged 24) 11 England Nottingham Forest
Daft number of Anglos playing at decent clubs and whilst not all club star players mainly decent quality- cannot really do this now as we never get to tournaments, but even if we did the Anglos are in the main squad players, though Tierney to Arsenal and McGinn at Villa and of course Roberson at Liverpool and McTominie at United help- we just need a couple of really good Scottish strikers playing regularly for some of the top ten clubs (well that and some centre halfs and a couple more midfielders)