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    (Original post by DWConde)
    Read the link and try saying that again
    What I just said is true regardless of the link

    http://www.uea.ac.uk/politics-intern...ing-2013/10165
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    (Original post by DWConde)
    It'd be tough **** because you would have to pay because the country at large wouldn't want them dying on the street.
    The force the skanks into work and make them pay for them. After all, it is THEIR child, not mine.
    Also as I said, if they **** up, sterilise them.
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    (Original post by a729)
    What I just said is true regardless of the link
    But you said it as a rebuttle to the comment I made about the link...
    I never said right wing was always to reduce however...
    I said those figures were very far reaching in a right wing mannor. think UKIP
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    (Original post by DWConde)
    Woahhhh boss... I hope you read that link properly btw... there's a lot of right wing guesstimating going on there.
    The whole point of fraud and tax evasion is that it is bigger than the official figures because if we knew the real figures we would have stopped it by now
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    (Original post by Jimbo1234)
    The force the skanks into work and make them pay for them. After all, it is THEIR child, not mine.
    Also as I said, if they **** up, sterilise them.
    Problem is... without the jobs there to begin with... that doesnt work...

    It may force some into prostitution... which is illegal... so they get thrown into prison.. we pay for their prison costs.. and have to look after the children by putting them into foster...

    What about those who actually had good money... but lets say another recession came around and they were made redundant???

    Doesn't work like that unfortunatly
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    (Original post by DWConde)
    But you said it as a rebuttle to the comment I made about the link...
    I never said right wing was always to reduce however...
    I said those figures were very far reaching in a right wing mannor. think UKIP
    Look government waste is bad . (PERIOD)
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    (Original post by a729)
    The whole point of fraud and tax evasion is that it is bigger than the official figures because if we knew the real figures we would have stopped it by now
    But you don't know the real figures... which in itself tells you that you should trust the government figures just as much as the ones you linked too

    Lesson for future... don't link to bogus references... there's always a smart alec about.
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    (Original post by Jimbo1234)
    The force the skanks into work and make them pay for them. After all, it is THEIR child, not mine.
    Also as I said, if they **** up, sterilise them.
    Loads of the girls on my course claim housing and child benefits. They also get x5 the amount of bursary than I do! They have cars and houses! I currently live with my parents but have to work to pay rent as my dad recently got made redundant and got told he could not claim benefits even though he's paid 30 years into it!
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    (Original post by LauraJ.123)
    Loads of the girls on my course claim housing and child benefits. They also get x5 the amount of bursary than I do! They have cars and houses! I currently live with my parents but have to work to pay rent as my dad recently got made redundant and got told he could not claim benefits even though he's paid 30 years into it!
    When universal credit comes into force ( new benefit changes) they are going to be a lot worse off.. so don't worry
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    A lot of people get a false impression on welfare spending, stirred up by the right wing tabloids, that in recent years the benefit bill has spiralled out of control and is now at an unprecedentedly high level of burden to the economy.

    In fact looking in the context of time it is not that high, welfare spending as a proportion of the country's income is similar to where it was in the late 1980s and early 1990s. It has gone up a bit in the last few years but is nowhere near the level it was in the 1970s and especially the 1980s.

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    (Original post by billydisco)
    You can't use that word mate, you can say:

    "That is an utterly ****king developmentally delayed system"

    or

    "That is an utterly ****king learning difficulty system"


    Trust me on this one!
    Oh you're learning! old dog/new tricks! Now all you have to do is put this into practice in real life and stop being a class-A douche...


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    (Original post by LauraJ.123)
    Loads of the girls on my course claim housing and child benefits. They also get x5 the amount of bursary than I do! They have cars and houses! I currently live with my parents but have to work to pay rent as my dad recently got made redundant and got told he could not claim benefits even though he's paid 30 years into it!
    And it'll mean your dad will be able to claim housing ( it's really revoloutionary.. it'll even out the playing field a bit... but those who will get hurt... will get hurt big style.
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    All these people ranting saying it's a back up for people being made redundant. If your other half works you wont be entitled to anything so it's not exactly a back up seeing as he's in his 50's the chance of him getting a job are pretty slim.
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    (Original post by MagicNMedicine)
    A lot of people get a false impression on welfare spending, stirred up by the right wing tabloids, that in recent years the benefit bill has spiralled out of control and is now at an unprecedentedly high level of burden to the economy.

    In fact looking in the context of time it is not that high, welfare spending as a proportion of the country's income is similar to where it was in the late 1980s and early 1990s. It has gone up a bit in the last few years but is nowhere near the level it was in the 1970s and especially the 1980s.

    I only have 1 problem with your Graph... it doesn't show you where the real culperet lies... ( housing benefit)
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    The answer to a nations welfare woes is simple. The taxpayer should ONLY support:
    1. The disabled (Mentally & Physically).
    2. The old who have no retirement income
    3. Single parents of children under 3
    4. 3 months of wages matching your last drawn payslip should you get laid off / retrenched by your employer

    Any other benefits should come with stipulations such as:

    1. You should be required to be actively looking for full time work.
    2. If you haven't found full time work in 8 weeks, you should enroll in a retraining programme at a technical college (part funded by the tax payer) ONLY for skills in demand. i.e. you can't learn bar-tending on our money but should instead be put into a plumbers training course or perhaps electrician training.

    Again, the free movement policy within the EU needs to be looked at closely as there really aren't that many jobs to go around. And therefore, all the above mentioned benefits should only apply to citizens / ilrs.

    Redistribution of wealth is a major concern. Somebody earning over 150,000 a year isn't using government services 50 times more than somebody earning 10,000 a year and yet they pay over HALF of their income to the government in income tax. Then comes the VAT, NI, Council Tax, Capital Gains and all the other add-ons.

    What is "Fair" is for everybody to contribute the same i.e. a flat tax on everybody with the same deductions. I propose a 15% income tax payable by everybody and a 15% VAT. No other taxes. Corporate Tax brought down further to 20%. Furthermore, VAT should be charged only at the point of sale of a finished product. This would ensure manufacturing comes back to the UK from China as more companies would invest in a country where it makes sense to do business.

    We can't of course implement any measures as long as the UK is still part of the EU.

    At what point do you stop working for yourself and start working for the government? "Leveling the playing field" is nothing but penalizing success. A solicitor from an impoverished background in Newcastle studied hard and read law at Cambridge. He then started working at a magic circle firm. Worked 18 hour days 6 days a week and 12 hours on Sunday for 7 years. No vacations. He was finally made a partner. After 4 years as a partner, he makes 175,000 basic pay. Of which, the government takes away 87,500 in income taxes. He's now left with the other 87,500. Then come the other cuts. The large chunks taken out that cumulatively, amount to over 70% of his income. He buys his groceries and fills up his car, pays his mortgage and pays for his kids to go to school. At the end of the day, he's left with nothing. He isn't living a lavish lifestyle by any stretch of imagination. But he is still left with nothing.

    His mate from school dropped out, lives in a council flat, works a few hours at a fish and chips shop, meets his mates for a pint every evening and buys car parts on ebay to build his garish sports car. He actually has a better quality of life with all the subsidies and benefits he gets.

    The moral of the story is, it doesn't matter if you work hard and get ahead. You will still be leveled by the Government. This is socialism at its finest. The only way out of it is to cut unnecessary spending, get out of the EU, reform welfare, reform the NHS, increase manufacturing and kick-start this stagnant economy.
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    (Original post by LauraJ.123)
    All these people ranting saying it's a back up for people being made redundant. If your other half works you wont be entitled to anything so it's not exactly a back up seeing as he's in his 50's the chance of him getting a job are pretty slim.
    Depends what system your working on.. and how much the other half is earning ... plus are there any kids involved etc
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    (Original post by MagicNMedicine)
    A lot of people get a false impression on welfare spending, stirred up by the right wing tabloids, that in recent years the benefit bill has spiralled out of control and is now at an unprecedentedly high level of burden to the economy.

    In fact looking in the context of time it is not that high, welfare spending as a proportion of the country's income is similar to where it was in the late 1980s and early 1990s. It has gone up a bit in the last few years but is nowhere near the level it was in the 1970s and especially the 1980s.

    Only thanks to beloved Maggie stepping in and changing things
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    (Original post by Jimbo1234)
    Get benefits for one, and that is it.
    You can have more than one if you want, you won't get punished for it, BUT nor will you get helped.

    The ones I know are scum and are simple leaches and idiots. They take everything for granted because they have never worked for anything and are living in better conditions than many people who do work. I will not apologise ever for saying that this is not only an unfair and broken system, but those people are bad and morally bankrupt.
    I'm quite proud of the fact we live in a country that generally won't accept child poverty... If you 'punish' the child for the act of the parent then you're creating more dysfunction and inequality.


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    (Original post by ~Duke)
    The answer to a nations welfare woes is simple. The taxpayer should ONLY support:
    1. The disabled (Mentally & Physically).
    2. The old who have no retirement income
    3. Single parents of children under 3
    4. 3 months of wages matching your last drawn payslip should you get laid off / retrenched by your employer

    Any other benefits should come with stipulations such as:

    1. You should be required to be actively looking for full time work.
    2. If you haven't found full time work in 8 weeks, you should enroll in a retraining programme at a technical college (part funded by the tax payer) ONLY for skills in demand. i.e. you can't learn bar-tending on our money but should instead be put into a plumbers training course or perhaps electrician training.

    Again, the free movement policy within the EU needs to be looked at closely as there really aren't that many jobs to go around. And therefore, all the above mentioned benefits should only apply to citizens / ilrs.

    Redistribution of wealth is a major concern. Somebody earning over 150,000 a year isn't using government services 50 times more than somebody earning 10,000 a year and yet they pay over HALF of their income to the government in income tax. Then comes the VAT, NI, Council Tax, Capital Gains and all the other add-ons.

    What is "Fair" is for everybody to contribute the same i.e. a flat tax on everybody with the same deductions. I propose a 15% income tax payable by everybody and a 15% VAT. No other taxes. Corporate Tax brought down further to 20%. Furthermore, VAT should be charged only at the point of sale of a finished product. This would ensure manufacturing comes back to the UK from China as more companies would invest in a country where it makes sense to do business.

    We can't of course implement any measures as long as the UK is still part of the EU.

    At what point do you stop working for yourself and start working for the government? "Leveling the playing field" is nothing but penalizing success. A solicitor from an impoverished background in Newcastle studied hard and read law at Cambridge. He then started working at a magic circle firm. Worked 18 hour days 6 days a week and 12 hours on Sunday for 7 years. No vacations. He was finally made a partner. After 4 years as a partner, he makes 175,000 basic pay. Of which, the government takes away 87,500 in income taxes. He's now left with the other 87,500. Then come the other cuts. The large chunks taken out that cumulatively, amount to over 70% of his income. He buys his groceries and fills up his car, pays his mortgage and pays for his kids to go to school. At the end of the day, he's left with nothing. He isn't living a lavish lifestyle by any stretch of imagination. But he is still left with nothing.

    His mate from school dropped out, lives in a council flat, works a few hours at a fish and chips shop, meets his mates for a pint every evening and buys car parts on ebay to build his garish sports car. He actually has a better quality of life with all the subsidies and benefits he gets.

    The moral of the story is, it doesn't matter if you work hard and get ahead. You will still be leveled by the Government. This is socialism at its finest. The only way out of it is to cut unnecessary spending, get out of the EU, reform welfare, reform the NHS, increase manufacturing and kick-start this stagnant economy.
    Did you think about all the other vulnerable people out there? Your proposals would make homeless...
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    (Original post by DWConde)
    Problem is... without the jobs there to begin with... that doesnt work...

    It may force some into prostitution... which is illegal... so they get thrown into prison.. we pay for their prison costs.. and have to look after the children by putting them into foster...

    What about those who actually had good money... but lets say another recession came around and they were made redundant???

    Doesn't work like that unfortunatly
    Yes, there is a problem with a lack of jobs....so do what they do in every other country - don't have a kid. Keep you legs closed and realise if you can't feed yourself, what the hell are you doing wanting to add a kid to that mess?!

    Just don't get pregnant when you have no job. If you had a job, then that is fine - give them benefits as they are a victim of economic problems, not idiocy. Tax records and the NHS could confirm all this and make it very possible.



    (Original post by LauraJ.123)
    Loads of the girls on my course claim housing and child benefits. They also get x5 the amount of bursary than I do! They have cars and houses! I currently live with my parents but have to work to pay rent as my dad recently got made redundant and got told he could not claim benefits even though he's paid 30 years into it!
    Exactly.
    The hard working family is punished whilst the skanks live a life of luxury.
    What the ****.....
 
 
 
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