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    (Original post by billydisco)
    How did the people who have these problems manage over the last 500 years? People did have these problems over the last 500 years? Or did these "disabilities" magically appear in the last 15, since Labour came to power?
    Those disabilities didn't magically appear within the last 15 years. I was born with the majority of them. They had no choice but to either work or starve.
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    (Original post by Jimbo1234)
    And this is the problem. I too have seen poverty first hand and seen how some struggle, but how many abuse the system. If your poor - have kids...and many know this :facepalm: Also if you are being honest, you will also realise that many of these people should never be parents and they should have be sterilised long ago as they are just going to produce children with massive problems.

    So what is the solution then? You suggest nothing. That is terrible. Can you not suggest anything even though this system is so broken? :curious:
    How are you going to determine who should be sterilised?

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    (Original post by Scots King)
    It's not. Pensions are.
    Pensions aren't benefits. You paid your NI in order to receive them.
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    (Original post by Kibalchich)
    How are you going to determine who should be sterilised?
    Easy - have more than one kid whilst on benefits, those balls get snipped and tubes are tied.
    As I said, no one in this country has an excuse to become accidently pregnant thus we should capitalise on this.
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    (Original post by Jimbo1234)
    Easy - have more than one kid whilst on benefits, those balls get snipped and tubes are tied.
    As I said, no one in this country has an excuse to become accidently pregnant thus we should capitalise on this.
    That sounds familiar. What was the term again? Untermenschen?

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    (Original post by Kibalchich)
    That sounds familiar. What was the term again? Untermenschen?
    :dunce: If I had said people of certain hair colour etc, then yes.......but I'm working on simple money as it seems that the UK produces the only poor people in the world who are too stupid to keep their legs closed when they are broke, and the country are too weak to let consequences happen.
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    (Original post by Izzyeviel)
    Finland is a country that believes in welfare spending. It seems to be actually 'thriving'
    I frequently hear people on the radio and television praising "the Scandinavian model", who are very keen for us to adopt their way of doing things, simply because they seem to be doing alright. However, I'm not entirely convinced that, in this case, the correlation necessarily equals causation. Scandinavia has quite a different culture to us, and this has a huge effect on both the way they run things, and the end product of how their society functions. I'm yet to be convinced that things like their ability to get 2/3 of their students in to University (because, let's face it, look where the plan to get 50% of our students in has left us) are really the factors that make their countries "thrive".
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    (Original post by Jimbo1234)
    :dunce: If I had said people of certain hair colour etc, then yes.......but I'm working on simple money as it seems that the UK produces the only poor people in the world who are too stupid to keep their legs closed when they are broke, and the country are too weak to let consequences happen.
    Yes, I know what you mean. Hence my comment.
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    (Original post by a729)

    (Original post by MagicNMedicine)
    A lot of people get a false impression on welfare spending, stirred up by the right wing tabloids, that in recent years the benefit bill has spiralled out of control and is now at an unprecedentedly high level of burden to the economy.

    In fact looking in the context of time it is not that high, welfare spending as a proportion of the country's income is similar to where it was in the late 1980s and early 1990s. It has gone up a bit in the last few years but is nowhere near the level it was in the 1970s and especially the 1980s.


    Only thanks to beloved Maggie stepping in and changing things
    Maggie was in power 1979-90, that was the time when welfare spending was at its highest.

    The time when it was under control was under Blair, 1997-07.
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    In America, people get welfare if they're seriously lucky, or they don't get it at all, they have to work.

    The UK should be like this, America's economy is improving by the day, I think?


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    (Original post by MagicNMedicine)
    Maggie was in power 1979-90, that was the time when welfare spending was at its highest.

    The time when it was under control was under Blair, 1997-07.
    Only because he created many false jobs in the public sector to help mask the figures. In reality, unemployment and welfare spending has only become worse since the 80's - it just has been hidden better.
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    (Original post by Jimbo1234)
    Only because he created many false jobs in the public sector to help mask the figures. In reality, unemployment and welfare spending has only become worse since the 80's - it just has been hidden better.
    What's a "false job"?

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    (Original post by RemiMarcelle)
    In America, people get welfare if they're seriously lucky, or they don't get it at all, they have to work.

    The UK should be like this, America's economy is improving by the day, I think?


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    It wouldn't be so bad if there were jobs out there, which there aren't.
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    (Original post by Kibalchich)
    What's a "false job"?
    Creating unnecessary middle men in the NHS or council to simply stamp a letter and post it to someone else when the letter could have initially been sent to the required destination.
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    (Original post by OU Student)
    Pensions aren't benefits. You paid your NI in order to receive them.
    I never said they were: I said they were the biggest strain on welfare spending. Are you suggesting that pensions do not count as part of welfare spending?
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    (Original post by Jimbo1234)
    Creating unnecessary middle men in the NHS or council to simply stamp a letter and post it to someone else when the letter could have initially been sent to the required destination.
    How many of these "false jobs" were created? What were the job titles?

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    (Original post by Kibalchich)
    How many of these "false jobs" were created? What were the job titles?
    Just bloated clerical departments. Why do you think they have been able to drastically reduce council budgets and lay off so many public sector employees yet everything still functions ?
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    (Original post by euphful)
    I didn't understand a word of that.


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    You were the stupid left winger I was talking about. I found you
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    (Original post by Jimbo1234)
    Just bloated clerical departments. Why do you think they have been able to drastically reduce council budgets and lay off so many public sector employees yet everything still functions ?
    You think it all still functions? NHS services are only still functioning cos no one takes breaks anymore and everyone works unpaid overtime. Its at breaking point.

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    Why do I always get the feeling that when right wingers are arguing with lefties its like a human aguing with a monkey, respectively. Seriously, the intellectual capacity of left wingers is so low. I ve never in my entire life met a leftie that is intelligent.
 
 
 
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