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    (Original post by trianglehate)
    I completely agree with this, and it doesn't help with the fact Con-Lib have put tuition fees up to £9k per year. It only makes it harder for the lower classes to go to university.
    You have been mislead by the media

    Poor young people get a rather good deal. The debt is merely theoretical till you earn over 21k or 30 years have passed

    The repayments are small , the living grants are big - the media says cuts ,cuts but in real terms the government budget wasn't even cut by Maggie - last time it was in 1921!
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    (Original post by OU Student)
    It's nothing to do with older people. It only affects people of working age. Can you please do some research on this before posting such rubbish?
    Originally pensioners would have been hit but there was a backtrack to appease them-they are a powerful force at the ballot box after all

    http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/tenan...525843.article
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    (Original post by Kibalchich)
    Which proposals are these?
    http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/tenan...525843.article
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    That's referring to the bedroom tax.
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    (Original post by a729)
    Originally pensioners would have been hit but there was a backtrack to appease them-they are a powerful force at the ballot box after all

    http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/tenan...525843.article
    How are the rich people affected then, like you claim? They're not. Only people claiming housing benefit are.
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    (Original post by Kibalchich)
    That's referring to the bedroom tax.
    exactly not ALL pensioners are exempt
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    (Original post by a729)
    Originally pensioners would have been hit but there was a backtrack to appease them-they are a powerful force at the ballot box after all

    http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/tenan...525843.article
    That's pensioners in receipt of housing benefit. So not rich people at all.
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    (Original post by a729)
    exactly not ALL pensioners are exempt
    What on earth are you on about?
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    (Original post by a729)
    Lower taxes would mean more money for the average person to spend which would stimulate demand
    Unless, of course, the subjects of the bedroom tax are forced to move into privately-rented housing that pushes up both their housing benefit bill and increases the proportion of £s flowing to buy-to-let owners, who are more likely to take advantage of offshore tax schemes.

    There is nothing more stimulating, after direct government investment in industry and innovation, than putting money directly in the hands of society's poorest. They spend it straight away. The rich are more likely to horde it in foreign jurisdictions, protected by Byzantine tax avoidance schemes, which does nothing to stimulate our economy.
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    (Original post by OU Student)
    How are the rich people affected then, like you claim? They're not. Only people claiming housing benefit are.
    It's possible to claim housing benefit with saving up to 16k
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    (Original post by a729)
    It's possible to claim housing benefit with saving up to 16k
    I know that. But that's hardly rich.
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    (Original post by MostUncivilised)
    Unless, of course, the subjects of the bedroom tax are forced to move into privately-rented housing that pushes up both their housing benefit bill and increases the proportion of £s flowing to buy-to-let owners, who are more likely to take advantage of offshore tax schemes.

    There is nothing more stimulating, after direct government investment in industry and innovation, than putting money directly in the hands of society's poorest. They spend it straight away. The rich are more likely to horde it in foreign jurisdictions, protected by Byzantine tax avoidance schemes, which does nothing to stimulate our economy.
    You seem to ignore that I said tax cut should be targeted at the poor but the rich shouldn't be over taxed

    This bedroom tax isn't a bad idea - there are some people who have too many spare bedrooms- overall this will save money

    Who knows you might even see people making their own business and people getting the kick they need to take responsbility for themselves by getting a job
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    (Original post by OU Student)
    I know that. But that's hardly rich.
    Relatively it is ,because many people have virtually no savings





    Rich (older) people tend to be asset rich but a low income
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    (Original post by a729)
    It's possible to claim housing benefit with saving up to 16k
    What you receive will be less the more savings you have.
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    (Original post by a729)
    You seem to ignore that I said tax cut should be targeted at the poor but the rich shouldn't be over taxed

    This bedroom tax isn't a bad idea - there are some people who have too many spare bedrooms- overall this will save money

    Who knows you might even see people making their own business and people getting the kick they need to take responsbility for themselves by getting a job
    Will it? As someone else pointed out, if people are forced to move to private accomodation, this will cost more money. As well as transfer public money into private hands.
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    (Original post by a729)
    You seem to ignore that I said tax cut should be targeted at the poor but the rich shouldn't be over taxed

    This bedroom tax isn't a bad idea - there are some people who have too many spare bedrooms- overall this will save money

    Who knows you might even see people making their own business and people getting the kick they need to take responsbility for themselves by getting a job
    Question is, when are the wealthiest in British society actually going to be asked to cough up more as a proportion of their income? When are we "all going to be in it together"?

    VAT increases disproportionately hit the poor, a 5% reduction in the top marginal rate of income exclusively hits the poor insofar as that is a gap in revenue that must be compensated for by cuts in services.

    I have an excellent scheme for raising some revenue; abolish the exemption from capital gains and inheritance tax currently enjoyed by agricultural land. (Note: 1% of the population owns 70% of the land in Britain; more unequal than Brazil)

    It's an absolute outrage that Britain's wealthiest families, large-scale landowners, who are often descendants of Norman conquerors (and, on a not-unrelated note, members of the 600 or so hereditary peerage families who enjoy a 92-seat super-franchise that renders a 1 in 8 chance of election to the lords).

    Of course, there's 0 chance of that happening with the Tories in power. Unsurprising to see their most recent assault on the conditions of the lowest paid agricultural workers by abolishing the Agricultural Wages Board, at the behest of huge multinationals and wealthy landowners. As always, they can be relied on as the party of special interests, entrenched privilege and the landed gentry.
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    (Original post by a729)
    Rich (older) people tend to be asset rich but a low income
    Eh? The whole point of the bedroom tax is it only affects those on housing benefit who are not on the state aged pension.

    Rich older people are completely exempt from this joke of a policy. Solid evidence shows those hardest hit will be disabled carers.
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    (Original post by Izzyeviel)
    I've read your posts, you'll get a decent reply when you stop sprouting utter crap.
    and yet in that post you couldn't even provide evidence what you consider "utter crap".

    I presume the Government improving the economy by creating un-needed jobs (as you suggested) like extra binmen isn't utter crap? :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Kibalchich)
    Will it? As someone else pointed out, if people are forced to move to private accomodation, this will cost more money. As well as transfer public money into private hands.
    Not really - as if a person leaves a 3 bed house and privately rents a 2 bed house- when a person was renting a 3 bed privately moves into the now vacated public-subsidised place the government will have saved money
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    (Original post by a729)
    Not really - as if a person leaves a 3 bed house and privately rents a 2 bed house- when a person was renting a 3 bed privately moves into the now vacated public-subsidised place the government will have saved money
    That's a lot of ifs.
 
 
 
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